Printer

[CJay]

The last great HP Laserjet was the Laserjet 4 plus. I hear the 5 isn't too bad - but the 4 plus is a work horse group printer, totally serviceable(side panels just pop off and you can replace anything), and under $250 on ebay.

I print about 5 pages a day, and at this rate my toner will last 10 year or more?  It's crazy.

They are a energy hog, even in "power save mode" - so if you turn it on and print, and turn it off, it's all good.

I use it to print instruction sheets in bulk (usually 100 at a time) and picked it cause of the low cost per page, and having one in my office while working for AMEX, back in the mid 90's I knew it was indestructible.  It's also awesome at small sheets in the drop down paper tray.  It can print on something like a check without it getting bound up.

They were damn good machines but finding one these days that's not been bodged up from scrap is not easy.

I'd also add the Laserjet 5 as it's the same machine but has a facelifted user interface.

The only problem with them for someone like me who can occasionally print half a ream of paper in a day is that they're only 8PPM and I don't remember if there was an add on duplex unit or if you had to buy a special version of the printer?

I would put the Laserjet 42x0 and 43x0 printers as worthy successors.

[metrologist]

HP seems to have M4x2 model printers, or I am not seeing any 42xx or 43xx. I was looking at a M452dn or dw (wireless).

Then I saw that it uses JetIntelligence toner cartridges and that gave me the urge to run for the hills...

I only print a few pages per week, sometimes I go months without printing anything.

[tautech]

The last great HP Laserjet was the Laserjet 4 plus. I hear the 5 isn't too bad - but the 4 plus is a work horse group printer, totally serviceable(side panels just pop off and you can replace anything), and under $250 on ebay.

I print about 5 pages a day, and at this rate my toner will last 10 year or more?  It's crazy.

They are a energy hog, even in "power save mode" - so if you turn it on and print, and turn it off, it's all good.

I use it to print instruction sheets in bulk (usually 100 at a time) and picked it cause of the low cost per page, and having one in my office while working for AMEX, back in the mid 90's I knew it was indestructible.  It's also awesome at small sheets in the drop down paper tray.  It can print on something like a check without it getting bound up.

Our 6MP has been good too and we get ~5 years from toner cartridges.
If I get one of those LAN to USB adapters that monkeh linked it'll be the perfect cheap laser printer....hassle free. 

[CJay]

HP seems to have M4x2 model printers, or I am not seeing any 42xx or 43xx. I was looking at a M452dn or dw (wireless).

Then I saw that it uses JetIntelligence toner cartridges and that gave me the urge to run for the hills...

I only print a few pages per week, sometimes I go months without printing anything.

They're not current models, the one under my desk is now a good few years old.

[george graves]

They were damn good machines but finding one these days that's not been bodged up from scrap is not easy.

You might be right.  I had to replace a roller and the fuser in mine shortly after I got it - but it's actually kinda fun to work on.  It reminds me of a 1970's American muscle cars. Really simple, lots of room to work, and parts are dirt cheap.

I think I paid $20 for a new fuser and $30 for a new roller.

[cheeseit]

My Samsung laser printer which has served me somewhat well is running low on toner. It is of course and unfortunately way to expensive to buy an original toner cartridge, compared to the price of a new printer though I've read that they have started to ship new printers with a minimum of ink or toner to counter that. Anyway, I mostly use my printer for toner transfer or transparencies which the Samsung does so-so, and am kinda in the marked for something new so what would you suggest that excels at this? Preferably something with cheap toner cartridges and not that expensive.

[tautech]

My Samsung laser printer which has served me somewhat well is running low on toner. It is of course and unfortunately way to expensive to buy an original toner cartridge, compared to the price of a new printer though I've read that they have started to ship new printers with a minimum of ink or toner to counter that. Anyway, I mostly use my printer for toner transfer or transparencies which the Samsung does so-so, and am kinda in the marked for something new so what would you suggest that excels at this? Preferably something with cheap toner cartridges and not that expensive.

If the OEM toner provides results that you can live with replace it before it runs out with an aftermarket cheaper toner and save the remaining OEM toner for when you need it. You might get lucky and the aftermarket toner is better.

[CJay]

They were damn good machines but finding one these days that's not been bodged up from scrap is not easy.

You might be right.  I had to replace a roller and the fuser in mine shortly after I got it - but it's actually kinda fun to work on.  It reminds me of a 1970's American muscle cars. Really simple, lots of room to work, and parts are dirt cheap.

I think I paid $20 for a new fuser and $30 for a new roller.

Tis a shame you're not UK based, I think I have a brand new fuser and possibly even some other bits for those that you could have for cost of shipping, they're too good to throw out but of absolutely no use to either of us as shipping would be extortionate and the fuser is 230V.

[george graves]

I have spares. There is a semi-interesting forum on reddit called "buy it for life".  An old HP laserjet is kinda like that.

Here's a link to the sub reddit - don't click if you don't have an hour or two to waste - it's addictive.

[tautech]

They were damn good machines but finding one these days that's not been bodged up from scrap is not easy.

You might be right.  I had to replace a roller and the fuser in mine shortly after I got it - but it's actually kinda fun to work on.  It reminds me of a 1970's American muscle cars. Really simple, lots of room to work, and parts are dirt cheap.

I think I paid $20 for a new fuser and $30 for a new roller.

Tis a shame you're not UK based, I think I have a brand new fuser and possibly even some other bits for those that you could have for cost of shipping, they're too good to throw out but of absolutely no use to either of us as shipping would be extortionate and the fuser is 230V.

Would you mind posting or PM'ing me the part # ?

[CJay]

Would you mind posting or PM'ing me the part # ?

I'll PM it sometime this week when I find it but I'm in the UK so it's not going to be a cheap part to ship

[XynxNet]

Is your printer supported by linux/cups?
Just build a cheap print server from a raspberry our a similiar board. Bye bye MS driver dependence..

[TAMHAN]

Xerox Phaser 3020. 50USD, has WiFi. Bought it for PCB manufacture, since relegated it to main printer duty. Prints from Windows 10 and Ubuntu, probably also from Android if I fart around enough.

[amspire]

I'd just grab the cheapest brother laser you can and get cheap toner for it. The fuser/drum will shit itself after about 10k sheets but you're still up on cash over a better printer with a branded toner cartridge.

Have to agree with this. I got a Brother HL-2170W about 5 years ago for A$90 and two $10 toner refills from Hong Kong. Done 4600 pages and haven't spend an extra cent on it yet except for paper. That is a total of $110 Australian.

Might need to spend another $10 for toner next year sometime. The drum still has 7400 pages of life left. WiFi works perfectly, so I just move it to where I am working. Manual duplexing works great.

[tpowell1830]

Ok, here is what I do to keep from having obsolete printer drivers for newer OSs, like Windows 10. I have an older desktop that is networked, but is not connected to the internet, so it is somewhat safe from viruses, and it can't automagically update itself to Windows 10 on the internet. It is running on Windows XP. I send my files to the file share on the old computer, I manually print it on the old machine.. voila!
It is an extra step, but solves the problem.

PEACE===>T

Update: I should also say that I am running VM ware and access the old computer from my main computer, so I don't have to get up.

[metrologist]

I was at the local retail store and looked at printers. The sales folks descended in numbers to set up for the kill...

I saw HP LaserJet m102w and Samsung M2830DW. The sales folks insisted the Samsung because they do such good business with Samsung.

Then I could not remember what I was supposed to avoid, a GDI printer (had to come back here for a refresher). Of course, the box is not going to say anything about that, and the sales folks are totally clueless. Well, I'm sure they know about their commission... They were not willing to discuss the Lexmark much, other than saying the tag I pointed to was not in stock.

Now, I  suspect that since the LaserJet has USB (and WiFi), that it is going to be a GDI. It's $120. The Samsung is ethernet or WiFi and it's $70. I do not know if either of these have smart toner cartridges that do not allow refills.

[metrologist]

I just saw they have a Samsung M2625D for $18. It has USB interface and a list of required OS. Then I read about SPL (Samsung Printer Language) and decided that you could not give me any Samsung printer for free, unless you provided a bat and refuse bins.

[metrologist]

I bought a new Lexmark MS312dn because it was a network printer and it listed compatibility with about every OS I could imagine (mac android windows, etc.). I'm trying to avoid GDI printers or whatever it takes to stop microsoft from telling me when to buy a new printer. I might have made a mistake because this printer:

-has a big fat parallel type of connector in it. That is archaic and I am afraid it is already an obsolete printer. I have not seen a port like that since computers came in cream colored cases.
-does not connect via its USB port. The port is taped off and there are notes not to use it, but to instead use the Ethernet port.
-Ethernet port connected, Windows10 sees the printer on the network and you can open its web page and twist all its knobs, but NO APPLICATIONS can see the printer at all...?

I tried to add a printer through the MS Word add printer button and got an immediate error message that the 'active directory name service' is not available. That is out of the box Microsoft BS and not related to any printer.

So here I am again with MS in between me and my brand new printer. I hate MS with such a passion now. It stinks!

How do I make my applications see this jeezless thing? It's not supposed to NEED a driver? I want a printer that works without one.

Is Windows going to wake up one day and tell me my printer is not compatible with it, and then remove it?

Should I get my money back?

And why did anyone recommend Lexmark? I discovered their printers have toner chips that you have to hack or buy a hacked chip to refill the toner, so the kit and chip cost about as much as a new toner cartridge. That stinks too!

[madires]

Of course you have to install a driver (or select one already installed). If no dedicated driver is available you can choose a generic Postscript or PCL driver, but those won't support duplex printing in most cases. And yes, Lexmark isn't the best choice. I'd recommend a cheap Brother for low volume printing or a Kyocera for high volume printing.

[helius]

Printers that have Ethernet ports should support LPD (port 515). This does not require client drivers, the client simply runs lpr and submits a job to the printer.

[Monkeh]

I bought a new Lexmark MS312dn because it was a network printer and it listed compatibility with about every OS I could imagine (mac android windows, etc.). I'm trying to avoid GDI printers or whatever it takes to stop microsoft from telling me when to buy a new printer. I might have made a mistake because this printer:

-has a big fat parallel type of connector in it. That is archaic and I am afraid it is already an obsolete printer. I have not seen a port like that since computers came in cream colored cases.

It's called 'legacy support', it's a bit of a thing in business products. You don't have to use it.

-does not connect via its USB port. The port is taped off and there are notes not to use it, but to instead use the Ethernet port.

News to me.

-Ethernet port connected, Windows10 sees the printer on the network and you can open its web page and twist all its knobs, but NO APPLICATIONS can see the printer at all...?

How the fuck do you expect applications to see the printer if you don't tell them where it is?

Should I get my money back?

Not on the printer at any rate..

And why did anyone recommend Lexmark? I discovered their printers have toner chips that you have to hack or buy a hacked chip to refill the toner, so the kit and chip cost about as much as a new toner cartridge. That stinks too!

Welcome to the printer game.

I recommended Lexmark. Why? They're cheap, work well, tend to Just Work..

Go install their nice universal print driver. It'll give you lots of options you won't know about: Just keep clicking next. Hey presto, printer, working, and Microsoft have no say in the matter.

[CJay]

You clicked next when 'Search for a printer in Active Directory' was checked in the add printer dialog, unless your PC is a domain member on an AD network you did it wrong.

The USB port being taped off is a standard thing on a lot ofprinters where the manufacturer wants you to install their software/driver before you plug in the printer.

It is preferable to use the Ethernet port instead of USB anyway, it's way easier to share the printer around a network that way.

[madires]

Printers that have Ethernet ports should support LPD (port 515). This does not require client drivers, the client simply runs lpr and submits a job to the printer.

How does the OS know about the printer? How can the applications know about it too? Does the printer convert a pdf or Excel sheet into its native printing format to be able to print the document?

[Jeroen3]

I have a HP Deskjet 950C that is supported from Windows 3.1 to 8.1.
It has a physical LPT port and a USB port with USB-LPT converter inside. It's so stupid it even moves without cartridges.

[helius]

How does the OS know about the printer? How can the applications knows about it too? Does the printer convert a pdf or Excel sheet into its native printing format to be able to print the document?

The OS doesn't have to know anything different from any TCP/IP service. Applications would add the IP:port to a list of printers along with a PPD file that describes its capabilities.