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Offline thommo

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2016, 10:40:05 am »
There is an important change for VP-2500HP and VP-2800HP we can take 10mm tall parts and the space left between PCB and part is 5mm.
So the total range is 15mm!

VP-2500HP taking a 10mm tall cap!


I think the point of the question SmallSMT is the maximum height component which can be placed at anytime, onto any area of the board.

It is great that you can select a 10mm high component, but as you're aware, this component could not actually be placed on any board confidently [without logical software-determined path control and placement-order management], which had several other components of the same size. It appears with a total operating height of 15mm, the largest safe component would be ~7mm in height [allowing for ~1mm of component separation at 'fly-over' points].

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The 'new May scheduled machine' looks like a big move in the right direction.
Any thoughts about introducing a linear encoder on the rails?
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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2016, 11:29:35 pm »
@thommo
I think it's ok if you have 5mm space left under a 10mm component to place at any place on the board.(using HP machine!)
The tall parts will be placed at the end and you can change the placement order to solve the problem!
We support different placement strategies to avoid collisions.
I don't know any prototyping machine below 15000usd having path control!

I don't know why you need linear encoders on the rails we have feed back servo motor and spindle how should this increase the precision???

We don't want to place below 0201 components.
Do you use a pnp machine for prototype productions? I use and build my boards every week and i know the requirements for this kind of machine.
If you need to fulfill this requirements spend 30000 - 100000 usd and buy a professional pnp machine you will receive all of this functions!

Best regards
Michael
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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2016, 10:21:31 am »
I forgot to post this picture

We placed 0402 at different speed and 0201 at mid speed.

 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2016, 10:30:58 pm »
We have Chinese New Year Promototion for our VP-2X00D belt machines!.

Please visit our shop http://www.smallsmt.biz/shop-catalog/


 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2016, 05:34:07 am »
I thougth you were a German Company? Why are you having a CNY sale?
Because he's monkeying with the prices? :-\
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2016, 08:53:30 am »
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I thougth you were a German Company? Why are you having a CNY sale?

Because SMALLSMT is a chinese company we show on our website clearly like NEODEN and other too ...

So it's normal to do a promotion!

We offer a big discount for the belt machines and you find working videos in http://www.smallsmt.biz/home/know-how/

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Because he's monkeying with the prices?
So what's your problem?
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2016, 08:00:59 am »
@mrpackethead

I'm sorry I'm currently sick.
I hope to start working on Saturday again.

And second problem my VP-2500HP was sold need to wait for a new one.
I took some videos placing 0201 and 0402 parts but you had special requests so I need to wait for the new machine.
Our Nozzle changer is working now I received the first working video on our 4 head prototype.
The machine controller is upgraded now to support up to 4 heads and vibration feeders too.

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Michael


 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2016, 06:13:16 pm »
We show our new nozzle changer at 4 head prototype machine on twitter.

www.twitter.com/smallsmt

All HP machines will receive the nozzle changer for free!

The new machine controller supports upt to 4 heads, the nozzle changer and a vibration feeder.

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Michael
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2016, 09:23:18 pm »
@mrpackethead
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How about the videos that you promised three weeks ago..

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And second problem my VP-2500HP was sold need to wait for a new one.


I take the videos you need if my new VP-2800HP machine arrive as I wrote before! (in 4 weeks!)

In my office are only 2 belt machines left! (VP-2500D and VP-2000D)

Here is a first article in the know how section of our website showing how to align BGA on bottom camera 2.
I do some more articles soon showing QFN and smaller BGA's.

http://www.smallsmt.biz/home/know-how/bga-alignment/

Best regards
Michael
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2016, 09:49:37 pm »
I can do the UI video's next week I am after one week non working very busy to finish all jobs!

We normally use a web meeting for demonstration.

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Michael
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2016, 01:41:14 pm »
Michael,

Can you give us some general description/specifications of the reflow oven you plan to offer? It's listed for Q1 2016 on your web site but no details at all. Is it a entirely new design or it's based or similar to some chinese reflow ovens that are already available.

Also, do you still plan to offer a frameless stencil printer? I've seen some pictures of it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37962674/Stencilprinter_V1_1g.126.jpg

Thanks.

 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2016, 06:14:18 pm »
Hi es,

I finished a new reflow controller design to use for a hot air reflow oven.

Some things changed after our first planning and we will release a vapor phase reflow in the next 8 weeks at 1500€ price level build in Europe. We have a partner company to do this it's Marc from IMDES.

The frameless stencil printer is still to expensive to produce because of the custom parts we used.
I stopped the development because my first plan was to release a printer for 650USD but my design will cost more than 1000USD now!

So our development will be focussed on PNP machines.
We extend our range soon.

Best regards
Michael
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2016, 09:15:30 pm »
How will the stencil be fixed inside the frame?
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2016, 10:32:39 pm »
This is a preview of the controller UI.
- web upgrade for the software
- paste profiles download from website
- complete remote access from any Webbrowser based device
- 4 channel JK temperature sensor
- 8 Channel heater driver
- Stepper motor driver to move the pcb inside the oven
- optional webcam support for remote view
Based on Raspberry PI 2 computer and capacitive touch panel plus DSP based main controller board.


http://www.smallsmt.biz/reflow-simulator
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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2016, 06:10:34 am »
Hi Michael,

What is IMDES?
The Vapor Phase solution sounds exciting.
Is it being designed as a small batch oven - for single panels, or as a conveyor type continuous feed oven?

Do you have any pics, drawings or renders you can share at present?

We are in the market at present.

Hi es,
I finished a new reflow controller design to use for a hot air reflow oven.
Some things changed after our first planning and we will release a vapor phase reflow in the next 8 weeks at 1500€ price level build in Europe. We have a partner company to do this it's Marc from IMDES.

The frameless stencil printer is still to expensive to produce because of the custom parts we used.
I stopped the development because my first plan was to release a printer for 650USD but my design will cost more than 1000USD now!

So our development will be focussed on PNP machines.
We extend our range soon.

Best regards
Michael
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2016, 06:47:42 am »
This one looks interesting too at €599.17: https://eleshop.eu/vapour-phase-mini-condens-it.html

I have used VP Reflow process in LAB environment many years ago for some very expensive PCB's and IC's soldering and what I remember exactly about the process was the insane high quality of the solder joints, perfect temperature control and the VERY HIGH Operational cost.

In the case of the above, not clear max PCB size, cost of 500ml Galden, €189.26 : https://eleshop.eu/vapour-phase-galden-ls-230-liquid-500ml.html

If this is the Galden cost only for 100 PCB's, this is not for mass cheap production but for fancy stuff as I rememeber about.

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2016, 08:11:31 am »
Yes the Mini-condense-it is from Mark (IMDES) we are currently improving the design for a industrial solution I show some pictures soon after we finished the construction.

I hope to find time this weekend to edit the first UI video.
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2016, 11:01:34 pm »
This sounds great SmallSMT,

While we wait for the images and manufacturing to be sorted out and become production-ready, can you please tell us what additional 'features' the new design will incorporate, along with the specs? There are a few of us keen to make a purchase 'now', and will possibly consider an advance order to you if you convince us it is worth waiting for.

Please let's know the details and features ASAP.

Some things changed after our first planning and we will release a vapor phase reflow in the next 8 weeks at 1500€ price level build in Europe. We have a partner company to do this it's Marc from IMDES.
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2016, 12:58:44 pm »
@thommo
The construction will be finished in the next 4 weeks.
I post a preview this week before I go to hospital.
I get the gallbladder removed next week.

Best regards
Michael
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2016, 08:02:15 pm »
Hi Michael,
Firstly, good luck, and I wish you a speedy recovery with the procedure.

I saw mention of an 'improved' machine, but no real specs or details regarding the fundamental things like max PCB, etc.

The existing machine IMDES produce has a very small potential PCB area and is therefore limiting. What size will the new machine load, does it have mechanised lifting, etc?

If figured that with the increase in cost from approx 600 Euros to 1500 Euros, that there would be significant modifications.

Please let's know.

Would be good to learn more about your mention of working on the NeoDen platform with us too.

@thommo
The construction will be finished in the next 4 weeks.
I post a preview this week before I go to hospital.
I get the gallbladder removed next week.
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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2016, 07:18:21 am »
Hi Thommo,

the new vapor reflow will handle bigger pcb sizes we discuss on Saturday with Marc.
The complete case will be changed so all components are inside. We add some security features and change the pcb holder.
I don't know if we implement the new reflow controller at this price level but we wan't to add a pcb elevator to support temperature profiles for sensitive parts.
For the bigger machines it will possible to add a water chiller to speed up the process.

For the Neoden 4 problem I want to start a developers group to build a common PNP machine software supporting many different machines. ( Free for all people supporting the project! I thought about a Kickstarter project or a donation based system to the developers)

First, we create a requirements specification ud then divide the work.

In my opinion we are able to support open source hardware controllers too for all makers who want to build their own pnp machine.
My dream for the product range is a simple design for 2000USD build in a rugged case for prototyping  in a small office (After use, you put it on the shelf) and on the other end of the range a 120 modular feeder professional system.

Maybe we support retro fitting old pnp machines too.
The software design will use a hardware abstraction layer and a clear user interface supporting plug ins.
So it's possible to support all different feeder types from strip, drag feeder, push feeder and finally feeder modules.
I dislike to support multi platform development the software should be based on C# c++ in Dotnet and OpenCV for the vision system.
Because a windows license is so cheap and the development system is stable.
The software testing and distribution is simple too.

Best regards
Michael

 
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2016, 05:43:41 am »
Michael,

I'll look forward to seeing the new Vapor Phase reflow solution in about 4 weeks then I guess.

We can continue to discuss the SW development after you've had time to recover buddy.

Separate issue, can you please confirm the cost of shipping the Stencil Printer [advertised on your site] to Melbourne Australia, and what carrier you use & expected delivery time?
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2016, 09:14:08 am »
@thommo

Please enter your information in our webshop and use email checkout.
Sunny will reply to you soon.

I think if we use the stencil frame from http://www.quickstencil.com/proframe1217.aspx  it could be a nice solution.

Best regards
Michael
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2016, 07:50:48 am »
Hi Michael,
I hope your recovery is coming along well.

Can you pls post some pics/renders, and specs for the new VP oven now?

The new vapor reflow will handle bigger pcb sizes we discuss on Saturday with Marc.
The complete case will be changed so all components are inside. We add some security features and change the pcb holder.
I don't know if we implement the new reflow controller at this price level but we wan't to add a pcb elevator to support temperature profiles for sensitive parts.
For the bigger machines it will possible to add a water chiller to speed up the process.
 

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Re: SmallSMT - Discussion Thread.
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2016, 07:53:15 am »
Hi,

I am out of hospital now and need to recover the next 2 weeks.

We had some  problems for our new 4 head machine controller (V2) but mostly fixed now.

So we can use all new options on any machine like nozzle changer, up to 4 heads drive, 22 line additional pneumatic feeder support, vibration feeder.
Wasted tapes are now moving through the machine body to avoid tape crossing from west to east feeder.


Best regards
Michael
 


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