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Offline TuxKey

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2018, 07:16:31 pm »
i prefer conical tips - aka spikes.

you can solder small stuff with the end, and big heavy stuff with the side of it.
my most used tip is type "BL"

i think the TS100 comes with the conical one.. i dismissed that one just because of all the negativity about it  :scared:
time and time again i was bashed with the phrase "why conical your soldering flat stuf pcb and mostly thru hole soldering"...was i misinformed ?
i'm going to buy a few practice boards and try my hand soldering them with chisel and then with a conical to see the difference myself.
Perhaps that's the way to go..


for now i ordered a new station that accepts the T12 tips i can get from aliexpress..and use the T100 as a spare iron or sell it later on.. what ever will see.
one problem i have solved with this second station that is fixing problems hahaha.. chicken & egg ... or better put.. if one iron has a problem how does one fix it if it's your only iron  :-/O

 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2018, 09:05:50 pm »
i prefer conical tips - aka spikes.

you can solder small stuff with the end, and big heavy stuff with the side of it.
my most used tip is type "BL"

i think the TS100 comes with the conical one.. i dismissed that one just because of all the negativity about it  :scared:
time and time again i was bashed with the phrase "why conical your soldering flat stuf pcb and mostly thru hole soldering"...was i misinformed ?
i'm going to buy a few practice boards and try my hand soldering them with chisel and then with a conical to see the difference myself.
Perhaps that's the way to go..


for now i ordered a new station that accepts the T12 tips i can get from aliexpress..and use the T100 as a spare iron or sell it later on.. what ever will see.
one problem i have solved with this second station that is fixing problems hahaha.. chicken & egg ... or better put.. if one iron has a problem how does one fix it if it's your only iron  :-/O

conical are usefull, each tip have it purpose. You should use a tip size that fit your solder joint, not bigger than pad nor smaller. Conical is very usefull to small smd, pin by pin soldering, conical is the most universal because can do almost everything.
Also you should use what work for you, there are people who hate conical and who only use them, so never follow like no other path exists, always make your tests
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2018, 02:21:51 am »
conical tip can heat the pad and wire together and still have a small space to feed the solder nicely.

i have used the main 3 types a lot.
i started with an Antex iron for many years - they only have a wedge shape tip.
then i got a xytronics iron for a couple of years and used a "screwdriver" style tip.
now i use T12 conical for almost everything.

btw, i get the tips from banggood.

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2018, 02:24:12 pm »
conical tip can heat the pad and wire together and still have a small space to feed the solder nicely.

i have used the main 3 types a lot.
i started with an Antex iron for many years - they only have a wedge shape tip.
then i got a xytronics iron for a couple of years and used a "screwdriver" style tip.
now i use T12 conical for almost everything.

btw, i get the tips from banggood.

i got the TS-D24 from Banggood together with my TS100. That's the smallest chisel tip sold for the TS100.
My TS100 came with the TS-B2 conical tip.

Two days ago i ordered the KSGER T12 STM32 soldering station. (the mini one without a power supply).
That station has way more tips to choose from..
i asked the seller to send me the T12-D12 with the station.. And i bought the T12-D16 XA High Grade.
According to the Hakko site there is one more size that is smaller hahaha.. T12-D08 that one is so small it looks like a conical tip  :-DD

The price difference between the regular T12 tips vs the high grade is €3 so the regular  cost around €3 and the high-grade ones cost €6.

btw a TS100 tip costs between €7 to €9..
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2018, 06:24:27 pm »
i'm not sure what "high grade" means,
the ones i have are already very nice and show no signs of pitting or anything.
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2018, 10:17:31 pm »
Quicko sells some T12 "high grade" tips. Dunno if it is snake oil or actually better quality.
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2018, 06:58:03 pm »
My KSGER T12 after fitting a boost DC-DC converter to be used also portable from 8-20V. Takes 6A at 12V only for 10s upon start-up, 240mA with short spikes of 2A after that.
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2018, 09:15:02 pm »
The “High Grade” ones that have the silver tipped black ones from Quicko?
I ordered two. Still using the first I got. It’s SOMEWHAT better..
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2019, 04:00:09 pm »
Hi, i recently complemment my station with several new tips from Quicko and find that, at first use, the temperature reading is all over the shop and for some of them doesn't stabillise even after prolonged use. What is your experience inthis matter? Are those tips defective or it is normal?

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2019, 03:04:01 am »
Hey all. I just purchased one of these stations, and am planning on ground the chassis. Which of the following is the best option to ground/earth the case?

1. Wire the aviator terminal to the soldering iron to earth pin on the back of the unit
2. Sand off some of the paint on the bottom of the case, and connect a wire to there.
3. Sand off some of the nonconductive coating around the rotary encoder, and wiring the rotary encoder to the earth pin on the back of the unit.

Will one of these options be enough, or to ensure proper case earthing should I do all of the above?
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2019, 11:00:00 am »
I've done done this way:
1 : wire the earth pin of the IEC connector to the case
2 : wire the earth pin of the iron's "aviation" connector to the same point of the case.
It seem that some newer models are already grounded, but it is easy to check continuity  from iron's tip to earth terminal.

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2019, 06:34:44 pm »
i would connect the iron through a 1meg resistor.

it will ground static, but you wont damage the tip by accidentally discharging a large capacitor etc.
(i have seen this done btw - the bang/flash was impressive)
 
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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #62 on: February 26, 2019, 03:15:45 am »
I've done done this way:
It seem that some newer models are already grounded, but it is easy to check continuity  from iron's tip to earth terminal.

I verified that there is continuity between the soldering iron tip and the earth pin on the IEC connector.

On a more interesting note, my soldering iron has a relay that frequently clicks when temperature is stabalizing. the "R7" led on the microcontroller board also flashes. Do your stations do this as well? (see photo). Initially, the iron would crash when I entered "boost" mode, but after I took it apart and inspected it, I couldn't recreate the problem. Maybe the connector was loose from the power supply to the microchip board?

Also, the Quicko stations have a four pin aviator, while my KSGER one has a five pin. What is the extra pin for? Or is it a dummy pin?

Thanks for the responses.
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2019, 03:18:36 pm »
4pin vs 5pin is probably just to make you buy their iron handles if you need a spare.
BAKON uses a 3pin.
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2019, 10:59:13 am »
Bakon has 3 pins: one is for ground, the other two are for the T12 element (which includes heater and thermocouple
KSGER and others  have two more pins, used for the connection to the vibration switch inside the handle and sometimes for the cold joint compensation for the element's thermocouple.
I have seen  different connections styles from different T12 clones manufacturers.

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2019, 08:19:09 pm »
Yes, the two other pins are not just for show..
 

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Re: T12 Soldering Iron Clone Kit
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2019, 12:29:02 am »
The “High Grade” ones that have the silver tipped black ones from Quicko?
I ordered two. Still using the first I got. It’s SOMEWHAT better..

Any opinions now that some time has past about the XA "high grade" tips. Any more durable? 

EDIT:
Found some info about how black chrome is being used in robotic soldering. Whether it is the same and/or the benefits carry over is another question.
https://www.leisto.com/blog/use-black-chrome-robotic-soldering-tips/
« Last Edit: May 19, 2019, 01:23:11 am by Ride the Lightning »
 


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