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Offline TheRuler8510Topic starter

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Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« on: July 21, 2014, 12:51:35 am »

Why on Earth is This Crimping tool $106...?
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TH-450/TH-450-ND/670086

Is it worth it? Similar looking Radio Shack crimpers are $9.  :-//

As usual, I can't find any of the crimpers I own, so it is time to buy yet another one. One day I'll find a box with 17 crimpers in it. So now it's time to get a more professional one, but sheesh!
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2014, 01:03:22 am »
It is simple really, buy 500 of them and you can get one for $81.30  8)
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2014, 01:04:43 am »
There is no way on earth i would pay that much for that style of crimper.

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2014, 01:05:12 am »
It's because it's one of the three tools you can use on a 3M brand crimp ring for UL or CSA approval.

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 01:27:29 am »
^This.

Same deal for other manufacturers, as well.  Panduit, Thomas and Betts, and AMP all sell similarly overpriced tooling for their lines of generic insulated crimp terminals. But if you need to get that UL/CSA/NRTL/NEC/ISO/DoD approval, that's what you need to be using to crimp those terminals on.  The terminals only meet UL requirements when installed strictly in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions, which (naturally) call for their own tooling to be used.

Yes, you can buy a decent controlled-cycle ratcheting crimper from an aftermarket supplier for less than this POS. But then you have to hope that the inspector doesn't see it. 
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2014, 02:01:45 am »
Because if you're using those in a production facility that extra cost pays for itself very, very quickly as they will hold up much better than most China trash

Good tools are expensive and very much worth having.
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 02:13:03 am »
Why would you pay top money for a genuine fluke when simple 10$ multimeter will do the same job?  (rhetorical question)
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2014, 02:15:10 am »
just a guess, could be wrong, but under the specs it says std package is qty 10. i think the "1" qty for $108 is for 1 package of 10 units.
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2014, 02:22:51 am »
Nope, that just means DigiKey receives them in packages of ten. You still get one. :scared:
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2014, 02:36:56 am »
http://www.harborfreight.com/9-1-2-half-inch-wire-crimping-tool-36411.html

and

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-in-wire-stripper-with-cutter-61158.html

ok, id probably get a better stripper than the harbor freight one, but i would not touch one of those shitty stamped sheet metal crimpers for free, let alone over $100. get one of those crimpers ^^^ for $8 from hf, or a better one from $20-30 elsewhere. you will not regret it. it makes the crimped ends STAY ON.
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2014, 02:43:47 am »
$100 is an absolute steal for a name brand crimper.  :)

This is one of the most expensive I've seen so far...
TE/AMP 69656-2
http://www.te.com/catalog/pn/en/69656-2

New from Mouser.. In 1s it's.... $14,967.50USD ...with a 15 week leadtime.
http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/69656-2/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduj2J%2fe%252b94DCn0ClwRFi6jrdHbKEtWcRVTk%3d

Or you can pick it up from ebay for the low low price of..... US $4,999.99...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TE-AMP-69656-2-Crimper-Contact-Crimp-Hand-Tool-STR-ACT-DAHT-Coaxicon-/131234676328?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e8e323e68
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2014, 02:50:19 am »
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2014, 06:51:55 am »
Here's the same model on ebay for $49.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-TH-450-Tool-Crimping-Cutter-/221489707431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3391d0b9a7

Is this a Chinese counterfeit? :wtf:

Don't know but:
California Prop 65 Orange Label
This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm.

California Prop 65 White Label
This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer.

So crimping can leave you childless and with cancer  :-//

 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2014, 10:47:24 am »
actually it's very simple - usually those freaking expensive tools last much much longer.
so if you make 10 crimped joints a year - you can get along with the $10 Chinese crap tool which will last couple of years for you.
but if you make 100 joints a day - then the $10 tool will be most probably destroyed in a day - so the $100 one which will last much longer is in fact cheaper at the end of the day ;)
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2014, 11:04:39 am »
picture worth a thousand words. but few words it cannot describes such as "strength of material" and "quality of assembly/finishing/tolerance". ymmv.
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2014, 11:13:33 am »
picture worth a thousand words. but few words it cannot describes such as "strength of material" and "quality of assembly/finishing/tolerance". ymmv.

sure it can't. but the branded tools are much better quality (better material, tolerance...etc...), so one could always assume that the branded tool is better than the Chinese replica. those cheap tools are cheap for a reason - e.g. crappy soft steel (or even just iron)   instead of tool steel ..etc..
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2014, 11:29:14 am »

So crimping can leave you childless

It's not to difficult to work out how crimping could leave you unable to breed :)

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2014, 11:34:04 am »
Audiophile grade crimping tool.
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2014, 12:53:56 pm »
Expensive crimpers you say?
http://www.specialized.net/Specialized/hydraulic-crimper-Burndy-battery-crimper-9182.aspx?Brands=Thomas+%26+Betts

As usual, I can't find any of the crimpers I own, so it is time to buy yet another one. One day I'll find a box with 17 crimpers in it. So now it's time to get a more professional one, but sheesh!
Know that feeling. I had a high quality pair of coax ferrule crimpers, then could not find them anywhere. Bought new pair. Literally years later, found the original pair fallen down behind a cupboard.

As for tape measures.... I tried just buying lots of them. Nope, still can rarely lay my hand on one when needed. They seem to have some kind of statistical reverse entropic process, in which they all end up in one hiding spot which I'm not aware of. Then when I'm not looking for one they all turn up at once.
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2014, 04:35:33 pm »
I know that feeling. I am looking for the 14mm hex allen socket, as I am this week a fitter, and have to dismantle multi ton pieces to fix them . Can't find it, so tomorrow will go and buy a new one ( tool store just down the street for me, they love me) to undo the M16 hex bolts on the bearing. Then hope the chain block will keep the half ton of metal balanced while I undo big pieces to get clearance. Then off to the engineering shop to get the repair parts and bring in the coded welder to put the kit back together. I am not that good a welder, and do not have a TIG welder in any case to weld the stainless steel parts. It will be a lot thicker though when I am finished, along with being better aligned.
 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2014, 05:12:53 pm »
It's because it's one of the three tools you can use on a 3M brand crimp ring for UL or CSA approval.

Vendor lockin baby!  :)
I can't beleive anyone would approve anything crimped by a piece of junk like that - a ratchet style is essential to guarantee the correct amount of crimp.
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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2014, 06:07:02 pm »
Here's the same model on ebay for $49.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-TH-450-Tool-Crimping-Cutter-/221489707431?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3391d0b9a7

Is this a Chinese counterfeit? :wtf:

Don't know but:
California Prop 65 Orange Label
This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm.

California Prop 65 White Label
This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer.

So crimping can leave you childless and with cancer  :-//

 No, just a stupid California law that stipulated lowest threshold safety level on so many products/chemicals that nearly every store you go into has it displayed in it's entry way. As such the public has learned to ignore it so it has no effect in the long run on buyer behavior.

 

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2014, 06:29:56 pm »
I can't beleive anyone would approve anything crimped by a piece of junk like that - a ratchet style is essential to guarantee the correct amount of crimp.

Oh I couldn't agree more.  But the TR-490 is a little spendy at over $300:
http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/TR-490/TR-490-ND/670087

The TH-440 is your only other option for $98
http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/TH-440/920099-R-ND/31400

If you're crimping over 100 connectors a day one of these unreliable crimpers, you must be a masochist.  And any idiot with a punch press can make these things accurately all day for $15 a pair including heat treat.  We're not talking about a John Neeman axe or Hardinge lathe here.  It's like a 5 or 6 step operation to make.

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2014, 07:55:26 pm »
Audiophile grade crimping tool.

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Re: Why on Earth is This Crimping Tool $106...?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2014, 08:33:43 pm »

Don't know but:
California Prop 65 Orange Label
This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm.

California Prop 65 White Label
This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer.

So crimping can leave you childless and with cancer  :-//

like big daddy kane used to say, crimpin' aint easy.
 


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