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« on: September 05, 2012, 03:20:14 pm »
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 03:50:46 pm »
Lucky you, YiHUA seems to make a little better quality stuff than the rest but the design failure is a bit appalling

I had a 858D ( it's in pieces now ) that blew it's triac by overheating (3.33amps!) with a too small heatsink probably about 30C/W in a town with 34C amb. average and 82% avg humidity

Disaster recipe, it works well in china but not here

The real reason it's in bits now is that the previous the 858D fired up without a mica insulator went without glitches but after replacing one with a mica insulator (from YiHUA themselves!) it stopped working ... checked resistance and everything it just sits there flashing at 1Hz like a idiot
I can find Atten AT8586's at 44SGD
I could have better used that 35SGD i spent on that crap ...

So this is the real reason why OHLJ cannot really improve or make decent products, their tools from YiHUA are not cheap and they break down all the time, Atten's the next bet

OH speaking about desoldering stations, there's a reason only Aoyue and CT (god knows who's that but their stuff looks pretty highend as well as the price even in china) makes them, they can offer high quality even at the same price (Well just not with CT)
Feast your eyes on these:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.10.15&id=5128347983 This is the first time i've seen cheap hot air rework PENS outside of xytronic (IIRC, isn't cheap)
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2012, 06:29:57 am »
I thought anodized are supposed to be better for heat transfer? The most important thing was that yihua lacked any sort of thermal paste on the heatsinks themselves and had a too small heatsink in a too small space, so the next bigger size heatsink i had was making it lie on the 0.1uF X2 snubber cap

PS: Use google translate, although i only wanted to show the pictures, i don't know chinese either
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 05:40:40 pm »
The ones i found on mine were supposed to be BT151 but it got replaced by a BTA16
At least they do over-rating
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2012, 10:05:42 am »
You made me take the covers off again to take a look , yes there is a BTA16 for the gun heater , and whilst i was there i used the gun and today is a 28c ambient here and it was just slightly warm  , i think that will change when its 35+c ambient though , also a larger heatsink will be difficult to get in between those 2 board sockets yes.....

But lol , i also went to shorten the supplied molded mains lead and found out it was wired incorrectly , active and neutral were transposed making the fuse in the neutral side in a mens system , so i wired the now 12" lead with new plug correctly for here and it's as it should be , i missed that when i looked about the first time but who would have thought ? ...

Welcome to yihua's epic flops!
Decent quality board but a shitload of flops!
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2012, 04:16:26 pm »
While reading your post, a fuse popped so loud and hard i could feel it 60cm away ...
Turns out to be my solder feed machine  :'( that fuse went so hard the wires totally disintegrated


Anyway, so the other day i fired up the 858D for a final test and it tripped the mains. I've had it with YiHUA
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2012, 05:19:53 am »
Snubber cap shorted out ... crappy caps  ::)
In my case it is a dual supply transformer, 30V and 10V no center tap
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2012, 09:43:41 am »
Err ... the sleeve? some sort of teflon? I guess?
The same stuff you find in a iron cord
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2013, 01:06:38 am »
I noticed a problem with my 853D. Even though the power supply is switched off from the front panel, there's voltage applied to the power supply binding posts for a brief moment when I switch the unit on or off using the switch on the back.

Something to watch for.
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2013, 06:38:49 am »
Was your mains lead swapped around? (the active/neutral) ...

I just checked and... Yes the fuse is connected to the neutral lead.
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2013, 05:34:39 am »
Mine here , the socket is/was wired correctly with the fuze in active , but the lead that came with it was arse about/swapped  :-//, look at post 3 or 4 (7) here in the thread ...

It turns out that when I checked how the fuse was wired, I did a continuity check through the power cord as I'm not sure where the neutral and hot contacts are supposed to be on the C14 connector.



And it's really the power cord that's wired wrong. Just like yours. I compared it to a bunch of other cables and it's different.

Continuity test on normal AC power cords:


Continuity test on the YiHUA cord:




What are the chances of that happening? And wasn't yours an Australian power cord?
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2013, 06:30:07 am »
I saw a recall notice this week on the notice board at work for incorrectly wired IEC power cords, same problem.  Don't remember what the brand was, but probably all came from the same factory...
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2013, 03:38:33 am »
For the person wanting to know about replacement heating elements, ebay: A1321 (next time, please keep the sheet that comes with the replacement heater!)

As for the 150ohm resistor on the power supply, its supposed to be an "active resistor" to reduce power supply noise. I dont like it either but left it there (these things are in my old oscilloscope also). they also help when the device on the power supply tries to put power back into the supply.

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Now, I have my own little review, and after this much I am still happy with it. i guess if it quits on me and i cant fix it then i wont be happy, but i will probably continue trying to fix it - probably with new guts.

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Here is a list of improvements i had to do to my 853D+.
Required tools:
another soldering iron.
dremel or the like (otherwise, a saw and chisel/screwdriver)
callipers (optional)
axial resistor for LED (220 ohm i think)
Drill and one bit (10mm or whatever)
spare thick and thin wire.

First impressions:
I noticed the soldering iron was not made quite right. But i could not determine the fix i needed to do.
I did take a peek inside and i did notice how underutilised the earth connection was.
The power supply would beep if i applied power to anything connected to earth.

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It was not until after the soldering iron heating element did snap did i try to solve this, the ultimate solution was to shorten the metal collar that the tip rests against (around the heating element) so the sleeve that holds down the tip sits firmly on the threaded section that the nut screws onto. (i also extended the channel inside the tips with a drill bit, but that was a previous attempt at repair and i cant remember enough to say if it is necessary.) But do this first: the other tips may need some cutting so they extend the same length inside the sleeve (perhaps use calipers here, sticking the back end down the sleeve with the tip inside to determine the required trimming, and trim to the shortest one - i didn't do that, and mines not correct but will do)


recently,
the meter reading began to jump around and the RF meter would flash. I decided that it was time to go fix all the problems i noticed inside.

First i grounded the negatives of the rework, soldering and power supply. the reason why the thing beeped when i connected the power supply to ground was because the insulator under one of the transistors was breached by a burr from one of the holes. I used a drill to remove all the burrs and replaced the TO-3's. Good.  For good measure i connected dedicated wires to each one and bypassed the header. couldn't get rid of the 0.1ohm resistor as my new wiring didnt total that. (they have the resistors there because not all transistors are made the same. i should measure to see how equal the current gets distributed. Although 0.1ohm was also recommended by the guy that told me about it, it should work as well with less. At 3 amps, the voltage will drop 0.15V and they will consume 0.45W together)

Next, i didnt like how high voltage was so close to my grounded low voltage. i cut the tracks surrounding the HV area and connected these to earth and used wires to replace the tracks I cut. I also removed the tracks around one of the optoisolators for better isolation and used the resistor here. i could have completely removed these tracks that i have made earths for a nice dielectric gap (as seen on SMPS power supplies) but didnt want lead shavings (i would probably say i dont know enough to determine how much safer it is with the gap). Because the mains goes into the heater with the other wires that go into low voltage areas of the circuit, i couldnt think of any solution other than weaving the earth wire among these before it goes to the chassis.


All done! so i thought.

When i reassembled, the heater fan would stay on. then it went off but at the same time the meter began jumping around again. So there was lots of thought and wasted time over this co-incidence.

after trial and fail over these two problems, i got the pen and paper out and traced the fan circuit. seemed to be Q1. but there was nothing that could cause that to blow, oh well replace it. well it turned out that the vibration loosened it as it was not soldered properly.

That did leave the meter's intermittant fault. I had found during the fan episode that when the meter figures began jumping, U3 (s3e9454bzz, but for the datasheet search for: samsung 9454) would become HOT. The 5V regulator output would drop to 4.8V. When it was quiet again, I loaded the 5V heavily myself, the meter would jump but U3 would not heat. I considered making a special cable for U3 to measure the pin current but not having the parts i was trying to reseat the IC without different pins to remove the trigger. gave up on that. i then decided to measure the current on Vss and Vdd and routed dedicated wires from the unseated legs to the regulator and to the now useful ground. it behaved itself. i gave up on waiting for it to malfunction and soldered permanent connections to the regulator. Its been behaving itself for some days now with no repeat, so i guess i can say i accidentally fixed it.


the soldering iron funciton remains untested because its been misplaced at this moment, but with what i can test, there doesnt seem to be any incompatibility with my earthing fix.
i have passed on a summary of this to Yihua, who knows if they will acknowledge it.

Charlie.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2013, 05:00:49 am by charlieb000 »
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2013, 08:45:02 am »
howd you set it right? just curious... i see only one adjustment but i dont think its for temps...

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The iron temp was off by 40c but it was easy to set it right , the hot air temp was accurate enough .

cheers aye.....
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2013, 10:41:10 am »
That did leave the meter's intermittant fault. I had found during the fan episode that when the meter figures began jumping, U3 (s3e9454bzz, but for the datasheet search for: samsung 9454)
Anyone else find it odd that a Chinese manufacturer would use an obscure Korean MCU in their product? Maybe they got a particularly good deal on them...
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2013, 03:49:03 am »
Attached is the sheet I got with the element, kept it for the record to replace the spare (never got around to that), it says No.A1321. Now the iron is fixed, it should only take something harsh to break it, like a drop onto concrete from maybe a metre while you are carrying it (it was not hot), like i accidentally did with someone elses... I cant confirm if the rework heater is the same as yours, as there is no model number on the heater. If there are some descrepencies with the new iron heater, im sure you can easily adjust it using that temperature sensor pot.    I could tell you how to make a digital thermometer if you like. The plain silicon rectifier diode has a forward voltage that responds linearly with temperature. I made a circuit with a 200mV meter (or multimeter) to display it. Icalibrated it between the known room temp and boiling using formulas i put into a spreadsheet. it was Celcius but if you want farenheit thats doable to but your range will be significantly different (meter: +/- 200.0).

Also attached is the translation for the sticker on top of the 853D+ about the RF meter. unfortunately they had no idea why the message was counterintuitive, the transmitter being LESS powerfull when held further away with the meter reporting full input. "nexus" means "link" and probably means "the signal" in this case.

Lots of people buy samsung, it seems to not bother them. Corperations dont know ethics.

By the way, i did ask for the circuit diagram, but they declined, "because that is our company proprietary".

For the person wanting to know about replacement heating elements, ebay: A1321 (next time, please keep the sheet that comes with the replacement heater!)

As for the 150ohm resistor on the power supply, its supposed to be an "active resistor" to reduce power supply noise. I dont like it either but left it there (these things are in my old oscilloscope also). they also help when the device on the power supply tries to put power back into the supply.

Charlie.

Hi Charlie , I got no sheet for the original :-// so did not know what to replace it with , that ebay one you posted I looked , its there , are the ohmic rates the same as the original? (the ohmic rates are in another post earlier on) .

For memory as its been awhile , that resistor fixed up the connection between the power supply and the iron tip on this one , mine is the lower 1.5amp ps by the way ..
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2013, 04:26:30 am »
re: Iron ceramic heating element , the first picture is the Generic one , the second pic is the YiHUA one see the notch on the pcb end its ceramic , i'm looking for some spares and i flogged the net to death  and all i've come up with is the first picture , whats under the  material type of stuff at the same end in the 1st pic? , any assistance would be appreciated , cheers....
They are not the ones you want. The photos look like Hakko A1321 clones and they have some kind of temperature sensitive resistor deposited at the bottom of the ceramic tube on the inner surface.

The ones you probably want have thermocouples instead. You can tell - measure the resistance between the two wires in the handle PCB furthest from the tip. If it is zero ohms, then you have a thermocouple version.

The replacements for my 952D plus rework station are the Kada A1322. They are probably meant to be a clone for the Hakko A1322, but I found the clone element seems to work well in the non-hakko station.  Just do an ebay search for Kada A1322. These elements are mechanically the same as your YiHUA elements. Cost something like $5 each.

Check your iron - do the first two wires from the tip have a resistance about 14 ohms, and the second two under 1 ohms? If so, the Kada A1322 will probably work.

I would also order some Hakko tips to replace whatever rubbish came with the iron.

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2013, 05:05:15 am »
This shows the internals of the A1322 clone element. Very different from the A1321 element which I gather has the heater element and sensor deposited on the ceramic. This one uses wires.



It actually still works! I used it for a couple of months like this until I got a replacement. The remainder of the element bit is frozen into the tip.
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2013, 05:40:47 am »
To try to answer the first question,
that will probably be fixed by grounding it properly. But i dont know how that could have crashed the chips. the iron tip would have been grounded, and if your power supply has the same problem that mine did, that would draw max amps (im not sure if yours beeps like mine did if you draw too much current. having the switch off at the front does not cut the power). if there was a surge from the current detector maybe that caused it. if your chips are sharing a transformer secondary with the PSU then maybe there was probably a problem from that.

i needed to have U3 plugged in for anything to come on the displays (but maybe it tells those other chips what to show).


Attached is what mine looks like inside now, although most of the work is under the board. the blue line is where the grounded tracks are.

I just received a new 853D the other day its the 1amp power supply one , i noticed yesterday that if one has a lead from the ps still connected to a "whatever" but the ps turned off and then went to solder something with the iron on the whatever the v digital lights went off and the hot air fan came on , no shorts or sparks but that was the symptom .
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2014, 12:04:16 pm »
Hi!
I just bought an rework station YiHUA853D, and it brakes down after one hour of use :D
I can see yours boards are different then mine, but hopefully someone have  same unit as me.
I need to find out what is the L1 on the pix. It looks like resistor but is signed as L1. As you can see it is completely burned :/   
Can someone help me pls??
Thx a lot!
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2014, 09:54:24 am »
Hi. Yes I'm talking with them but it is one email per day if lucky. It will take ages... Much faster would be just to fix it.
The IC is 723  voltage regulator and it have an short cut. That way the l1 is dead. And yes it is connected with the ground but it says nothing. It looks like an resistor but this L1 ... L is very far from R :)aboutthe board... After a lot of research I believe it is a board from 992DA ( or something... ) Unfortunately there is nothing about it in the Google...
I didn't have a chance to check if it can sleep :-)
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2014, 06:47:01 am »
It looks like the old one, just the board is different. Unfortunately 992 is not close to mine :/
Will try to dismount this regulator, If will solve the shortcuts then I'm home ;)
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 08:42:56 am »
Hi again, finally i get the reasonable solution from them, they will post me whole circuit  board.  This time i will begin with taking pix of it :d will post it in hire too. In that case will be easier to solve problems like mine ;)
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2014, 07:23:18 pm »
Hi!
I just bought an rework station YiHUA853D, and it brakes down after one hour of use :D
I can see yours boards are different then mine, but hopefully someone have  same unit as me.
I need to find out what is the L1 on the pix. It looks like resistor but is signed as L1. As you can see it is completely burned :/   
Can someone help me pls??
Thx a lot!

Got your board yet ?

here are some pics of working one...

(seems to be 2.2 Ohm 10% resistor)

« Last Edit: March 09, 2014, 07:25:56 pm by hani93 »
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2014, 09:34:09 pm »
Yes I get it but I haven't see it yet:) my girlfriend revived it on Tuesday. Unfortunately I'm away for a bit . As soon as I can will pix it... Ha. It is resistor :)
For now I can only say, this regulator is responsable not only for power supply. After I removed from the board only the iron was working.
Will do better report when will have a normal keyboard. Mobile is to ... Small?? :d
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2014, 03:23:12 pm »
Nice pictures hani93 .

I just say that I have seen Inductors that also look very much like it , a coincidence its called L1? and not R1  :-//

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=through+hole+inductors&FORM=HDRSC2

Hello, thanks for info , i have never seen/used inductors. (i'm just taking electronics as a hobby)
So, sorry , my bad.  |O

Anyway, here is color code of it:   Red Red Gold Silver

and yes, it is marked as "L1"
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2014, 03:42:18 pm »
here are some more photos, of that "Power Supply Board" , if interested...
http://s684.photobucket.com/user/urmas98/library/
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2014, 04:03:09 pm »
picture in attachment

and yes, it seems to be inductor, lifted 1 leg, and measured.. result:   0 ohm
 

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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2014, 04:29:01 pm »
it connects to pin 7 & 9 on LM723CN   (V-  & Vz) 
http://www.ti.com.cn/cn/lit/ds/symlink/lm723.pdf

for me it seems more like it is connected to ground on both sides of conductor.

isolates grounds ? (sorry if dumb question)
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2014, 04:44:21 pm »
ok, here i'm really interested, that, what are differences between 5A/3A/1A versions.

maybe there is some "hack" to unlock more amps out of this "1A" beast ? :D

google-ing here for lm723 schematics...
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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2014, 04:59:40 pm »
ok, here i'm really interested, that, what are differences between 5A/3A/1A versions.

maybe there is some "hack" to unlock more amps out of this "1A" beast ? :D

google-ing here for lm723 schematics...

Ha Ha , first would be a extra pass transistor on the back , a TO3055 , then there would be needed a modification to the current sense network near the IC to allow for 5a or so instead of the 1 amp , then a new meter , for me it was not worth the hassle ..

But go for it if you have the inclination but I can be of no assistance there as my board is different  :-/O

ok, thank's for help anyway ;-)
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2014, 07:06:37 pm »
hi again. i have finally time to say about my happy and ;)
In the end, they sand me booth boards. Im so glad ;)
i have connect it together and... the hot air didn't start:/
after quick check - all correct   |O
then i have open the blower and i realized that the "potential connector" (no idea how to call it in English or any another language  :-//) get brake. In the end i have tune the blower by micro switch.  Every think works now almost like new ;)
So this inductor have nothing to do with another parts of the unit. It is only connected to the voltage regulator.
In the same time the inductor show me a judge resistance in 100 of MOhm. Do not remember now how much exactly but as long as it have nothing to do with the soldering station i do not care about it at all.
THX a lot for help and sorry for my unreadable (probably >:D) english.   
 

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2014, 07:18:48 am »
HI.
Yes it it reed switch;) I knew how it works, just didn't know how to call it ;)
On the pix is how i have solved. Unfortunately the micro switch is micro ;) and the spaces between connectors in it are micro too. So after i switch it on the magnetic fill doesn't let him to switch off  by it self. I need to switch off by the main switch on the box. But it is not an issue for me. So i will left it like it is.
The board witch is on the pix few topics before is exactly the same as mine, so no reason to do pix again.
More interesting is the 2nd board. There is kind of antenna on it and i had external antenna in the box. I have no idea for what it is? how i can use it? 
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2014, 07:19:57 am »
And 2 more pix.
 

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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2014, 07:21:22 am »
And one more as the size limit is very small
 

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« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2014, 04:04:42 pm »
misunderstanding ;) i did not send back the old one, so i the end i have 2 complete sets of them.
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2014, 09:50:02 pm »
Hi,
I have got a Yihua 853D+ rework station.
I bought it without a soldering iron, but I ordered from Ebay.
I connected the station and in the soldering side tempreture display show only 003 Celsius and does not heating up.
When I connected first time heated up aroun 200 Celcius and after the temperature was going down.
I checked both resistor measure between 1-2 legs 0 ohm and between 4-5 legs 2.1 ohm in my room.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/390711831688?txnId=420917901026

I bought a new soldering Iron but still not working it has a same issue.

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Offline powerslide

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2014, 04:35:17 pm »
Hi,
I have got a Yihua 853D+ rework station.
I bought it without a soldering iron, but I ordered from Ebay.
I connected the station and in the soldering side tempreture display show only 003 Celsius and does not heating up.
When I connected first time heated up aroun 200 Celcius and after the temperature was going down.
I checked both resistor measure between 1-2 legs 0 ohm and between 4-5 legs 2.1 ohm in my room.

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/390711831688?txnId=420917901026

I bought a new soldering Iron but still not working it has a same issue.

Thanks

Hi , with mine the sensor ohms is 16.2 and heater ohms 1.3 (original) , see reply#17 on page 2 .

The handpiece will not work correctly if it has incorrect sensor I guess , so apart from voltages and correct heater there it's the sensor that will turn it on or off , I would measure the resistance at the actual handle first then follow it back checking if wired correctly right to pcb <unplugged from mains of course>.

Good luck ...

PS> 2 months to go and this unit has lasted 2 years so far!

Thank you so much.  :-+
I want to buy another original iron. Please help me what can I choose?
Which one the best one?

Thanks
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2015, 05:44:55 am »
Hello Guys, another electronics hobbyist here, I also got the 853D, it was working great, I even used it to charge some 12v8ah lead acid batteries, and fried it when I tried to recover an old battery that was ready for the recycler, so, dont try to desulfate batteries with it,  |O hehehehe, anyway I have located the issue  :clap: , and resistor R56 is shorted, but it is a 5 band resistor and I have no idea on what the value is, all online value checkers fail since it has a black band on one edge, if any of you can give me some advise, it would be much appreciated.

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P.S. by the way R56 is the big blue resistor, 2 or 3 watts to the right of the picture.
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2015, 09:50:04 am »
First band shouldn't be black, check it again, it might be Blue or Violet (possibly even brown), it's hard to see in your picture, have a closer look in some good light.


Hello Guys, another electronics hobbyist here, I also got the 853D, it was working great, I even used it to charge some 12v8ah lead acid batteries, and fried it when I tried to recover an old battery that was ready for the recycler, so, dont try to desulfate batteries with it,  |O hehehehe, anyway I have located the issue  :clap: , and resistor R56 is shorted, but it is a 5 band resistor and I have no idea on what the value is, all online value checkers fail since it has a black band on one edge, if any of you can give me some advise, it would be much appreciated.

Best regards

P.S. by the way R56 is the big blue resistor, 2 or 3 watts to the right of the picture.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 10:20:31 am by TheBay »
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2015, 05:47:23 pm »
Thank you TheBay for your prompt reply, sorry for the picture, I am sure the band is black, here is another picture. thank you.
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2015, 05:59:25 pm »
Definitely looks black! I've never encountered a resistor that starts with a black colour code, but could it be 0.33 ohms? This would fit with the silver band indicating x0.01
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2015, 08:29:12 pm »
Thank you very much Andy, you were right, first i thought that resistor was shorted but a closer inspection with the element disconnected shows .33 ohms on my meter so I will have to keep looking for whats wrong with the power supply.

Thank you very much, have a great day.
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2016, 12:49:27 pm »
Hello,
Sorry to revive old topic but here a lot of information.
I bought Unbranded 853D but inside it look exactly as YiHUA 853D. Except minor detail that there is no RF. So I am thinking to add it my self as it look missing few items.
I have a solder blob on R55 on main board, and on front panel D12, C12, C10? (next to C9), R51 (solder blob with component look like 100 ohm)

I am also trying to make partial schematic on voltage regulated circuit. I will post my work once I figure out some parts.
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2016, 09:38:56 pm »
Scary soldering station. Look like they do everything backwards. Like power switch for supply have +5V and when you flip it it become ground. I thought it would feed 5V but not... Well  for me the impression is they brake Ground connection instead of braking positive.
PS: You can see how poorly board is made. I might try to clean it....
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2016, 12:42:12 am »
Took me toooo long to draw simple circuit.  :phew: I made errors, and I hope all fixed and no mistakes. I use multisim to draw and test but it did not work. May be due that it is not complete circuit or multisim not working property. In the past long long time ago I did use it and it did not work...
Attached pdf and multisim files.
PS: I redraw everything to make it more neat.
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2016, 11:20:58 pm »
That why when I draw that it did look funny to me. I even go online to see what type of circuits based on LM.. and I was hoping Q3 and "Q0" would be set as darlington pair...
The variable resistor "R0" on mine is close to 6K ohm and on YiHUA is 3K ohm (I wonder if I have some where 3K variable resistor to see if i will get smooth voltage adjustment. (I hate that from close to 11 o'clock it start changing voltage)

I hope there is a way to make a sleep function for solder station.. I wonder what CON16 for...

Here is images of boards. I took a lot of pictures and did not really sort them. (Good bad and ugly all there)
https://mega.nz/#!PtFGXbCC!OdqIuLRJvPa_0PPv4FJmyPoMnh-AZqjbbPlnw6F4IUs

PS: I did try add digital volt/amp meter board that I bought few on Ebay (Big mistake) those boards very inaccurate. Voltage is off and I knew that current will be off but did not expect that it show inaccurate voltage. If I adjust correctly to 1 volt and when go to 15 volt it will be off by 1-2 volts. So I install back original analog amp meter... Had to install through negative (Originally the amp meter was hookup to positive. I guess it was done so you can measure voltage... That idea is stupid due that if you use power supply why measure voltage? You need multimiter just measuring voltage give you nothing, nada, zilch....)

PSS: Off topic but I like this DIY power supply: http://www.sentex.ca/~mec1995/circ/ps3010/ps3010a.html
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2016, 03:14:06 pm »
Quick update. Today I took of pot out and it's 10Kohm so I install 5Kohm and voltage regulation work like a charm. So for those unbranded 853D that is easy fix for regulated power supply. 1 Amp is perfect protection. If it go more then 1 Amp then there would be and issue....
Here info on tips. The original that come with my station look too dip and wider. I have bad Hakko original tip and it fit better. I took metal insert from Hakko tip and it reduce gap between unknown tips.. so I hope it will transfer better heat. The only downside is heating element slightly shorter for unknown tips. I look for Hakko tips and they pretty pricey, so will use that unbranded junky tips and see how it go.
PS: I have Hakko 939 with 903 handle and I like that heating element come with tip but after a while tip and heating element separates... The only downside that there not fine tips for micro-soldering.
Edit: I clean both boards and due that I took most of it apart I will take more pictures of the boards, just in case if something go bad I have references where is what. Also it would be possible to draw schematic and get idea how solder station works. I think I will not draw more schematic of this board due that it take huge amount of time.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2016, 08:02:09 pm by ffp »
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2016, 03:07:17 am »
After washing board in 99% alcohol in ultrasonic cleaner. It look funny white... I will try get flux off to clean that out now... I did take a look at 2nd board and what I learn there 2 8-Bit Microcontrollers (One for iron and other for air) I guess if there would be a way to read and write program then there might be easy hack to add sleep function... It also scary if one of the chip fry then this unit become useless...

So I will try clean boards again and only 1 idea left add a fan as there only holes at bottom and nothing on sides or top. I think adding a fan would be good idea just need build a board that will convert 15 volt to variable 12-5 so it will be easier to adjust speed of a fan.

One more thing I need to do after cleaning add silicon thermal paste for heat-sinks as there none.. oops forgot. Need scrape clean case where ground is used. Also on board there ground connector to that connects to capacitor...

More ugly pictures if some one need it.
File>https://mega.nz/#!gRdmAYyJ!keHDcG-9cbzggwgkz3siQYgNnB4Ows78YGTsHDRiVyQ

PS: I am attaching all data sheets for ic, transistors...etc. I think I got all of them..
Files>https://mega.nz/#!5RFFwLwZ!QZwG0BHpwfsRYqBr4E1YCSimOsqfpunbQkdvCjlcew8
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2016, 06:03:54 am »
I recently bought one of these - well a 853DA 1A (Diaphragm Pump Type) from eBay

What I didn't notice before buying was the fan in handle model is ~110L/min and the diaphragm style is ~24L/min

The iron temp at tip (cheapo multimeter w/ thermocouple shakingly held at end of tip) is about 120c out - assuming the Yihua display is actually Celsius
PSU Display is missing a few lines, haven't checked whether the voltage output is correct

Tried to use the hot air gun with the smallest tip (2mm) and most of the air is leaking out the top of the handle instead of the tip - anyone found a fix for this?
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2016, 03:01:40 am »
Check with seller to get some spare parts or discount. If you have YiHUA they will send replacement or they can fix it. I have D version that use brushless fan and you have actually pump inside. I would guess you need check your handle for damages?


For iron try get Hakko tips as they fit better or check heating element and tips. Mine need some modifications so ceramic element would be closer to the tips. If you can get used Hakko tips you can take out metal insert from it so it might improve heat transfer as well. (Hopefully temperature would be better on the tip)

You can adjust voltage output... (mine was 1 volt off so I adjust it. If your voltage start change about at 10-11 O'clock you can fix it by replacing variable resistor to 5K as yours might be 10K ohm)
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2016, 12:51:18 pm »
Seller wants a video of the issues, which is proving hard at the moment with my camera work fail and Australias upload speeds

With todays testing/videoing the iron set at 300c will get to ~270 after about 3mins
The hot air gun leaking could probably be fixed with a suitable sealant..

However I'm thinking of buying some Hakko bits and trying to make the hot air FR801 style and perhaps a real 907ESD Iron later on
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2016, 08:16:22 pm »
I would not make to many changes to the station. There a lot of fakes of Hakko 907 and, as you know it is discontinued (Also if you plan just add Hakko 907 Handle to your station will be bad idea as they different.). Even Hakko tips fake.

I uploaded my videos to zippyshare site (Just made them smaller with video re-encoding software. I do not remember what video software I used...)

PS: I just do not have time to play with my station summer started and lots of things to do outside of the house...
 

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Re: YiHUA 853D rework station
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2016, 05:53:43 am »
A couple of ceramic heaters turned up

1.3 ohms like the original and .6 ohms ? <looks like a wait and see with that one .

Sensor ohms was both 11.6 ohms , original 16.2 so a wait and see too!  ;)

I found these heating elements to be a perfect match for the original YiHUA 853D solder iron.  5 for $11 reasonably priced too...
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pcs-A1321-A1323-Stainless-metal-Heating-Element-Heat-Core-for-936-Soldering-accessory/32347864277.html

 

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Re: station
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2016, 01:31:37 pm »
Anyone who still has one of these with the board available?

Perhaps someone can help me to identify Q4 on the board from this Yihua 853D? Mine exploded when the item I was powering with the built in power supply created a small arc (arc as designed, sadly it was not properly isolated).

I have circled Q4 in the attached image:

 

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Re: station
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2017, 02:35:08 am »
i know its been a few months but i have one and that transistor is the same as Q1 which on mine say 1AM.. funny part number for an smd transistor lol .. hope this helps you
 

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Re: station
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2017, 07:44:31 pm »
hi all i have the 853D which i love, Sadly i have a problem where the Voltage regulation is not working, i am getting a voltage output of 35V and also 35V is displayed on the volt meter and i have also confirmed it with multimeter.

i have tested the potentiometer and that is working all OK, so what could be the problem? Why is it outputting 35V ( i am unable to control the voltage using the voltage potentiometer )  when it should only be 15V max?
 

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Re: station
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2017, 08:48:11 pm »
i know this post and question are old but you need to change the old style TO-3  -  2n3055 power transistor on the back of the enclosure.. i bet its shorted across the emitter and base--  you have overloaded it somehow and it reverse biased and blew the transistor.. ive done it several times thats how i found out .. the old 35v thing and pot not working was a big clue lol... the TO-3 transistor on mine is a 2n3055.. yours may be different i dunno... good luck hope this helps... FX

oh also if you burn resistor R14 and or R56?  , they are both 3 watt  @ 5% tolerance 

150 ohms on R14 --   and  .33 ohms on R56     :-+
 

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« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2019, 02:02:50 am »
Thank you, @fxlaptop, I'm happy someone had a similar issue as my YiHua 853D.
I tried to charge a burnt out battery and something went wrong. My volt output always shows 29.5 and volt meter reading just goes crazy until the R14 resistor burns out, then it shows 0.0 and turning the pot does nothing. I replaced my R14 (150 Ohm 3W5%) resistor today since it was totally burnt to a crisp. Replacement started heating up and almost burnt out right away even with the powersupply control off. Going back to the hobby shop tomorrow to get a replacement transistor, the model on my large rear transistor is 2N3773. When I unplug the transistor from the socket on the mainboard then R14 does not heat up. Soldering iron and heat gun work fine.
you have overloaded it somehow and it reverse biased and blew the transistor..
also if you burn resistor R14 and or R56?  , they are both 3 watt  @ 5% tolerance 
150 ohms on R14 --   and  .33 ohms on R56     :-+
Update 6/10/2019: Transistor leaks like a sieve. Called around the Toronto area for a replacement 2N3773 and nobody has one. I dont want to wait 2 months to ship from China but it seems like thats what I need to do.

Update 11/15/2019: Got a 2N3772 and replaced the 2n3773 on the back. After running a successful smoke test the voltmeter/power supply is working like new.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2019, 07:52:10 pm by Venutech »
 


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