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Offline blueskullTopic starter

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Antenna working on metal surface
« on: November 06, 2017, 08:23:27 pm »
My first post in this section here. Is there a type of antenna that can operate "ON" a metal ground plane?
Looking for 2.4GHz~2.5GHz antenna for WiFi+BT.
Can be adhesive flex PCB antenna or ceramic chip antenna.
I know ceramic patch antenna will work, but the smallest I can find is 12mm*12mm, which is too big for me.
I also came across the 3M "on-ground" antenna, but from its app note, it seems a ground clearance is recommended, so it's not truly "on-ground". Correct me if I'm wrong.
Target size: less than 9mm wide, 20mm long and 5mm thick.

Any suggestions?
 

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Re: Antenna working on metal surface
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 08:40:39 pm »
I was going to suggest grabbing a copy of the Pi 3 schematics as it's got a ceramic antenna that's roughly 2x5mm and there may be a hint of a part number but the 'schematics' seem to be pinouts of the connectors which is somewhat useless.
 

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Re: Antenna working on metal surface
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 08:46:59 pm »
You mean an existing GND plane? Or a PCB you're designing that should have an as-solid-as-possible GND plane?

Something like this: https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/proant-ab/PRO-OB-440/1532-1001-2-ND/4895679 maybe?

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Re: Antenna working on metal surface
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 02:29:09 pm »
Too bad they are a bit big, or they'd fit the bill rather well  :-//

https://www.lsr.com/embedded-wireless-modules/antennas#flexpifa

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Re: Antenna working on metal surface
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 12:17:26 am »
A flex PCB antenna would be better. If you have a bit more room inside your case, use it.
Even just a wire enclosing a small loop in your flex PCB would likely be better.

Taoglas is a reliable company and their circular ceramic patch GPS antennas are quite decent. I would trust them as far as quality, however that said unless you need it to be in a very small space don't.

Before you commit, if I were you I would get at least one, preferably a few of each antenna you might use so you can try them out in a real world test before buying a bunch of any of them.

Its hard to find a really small 2.4 GHz antenna that performs well at a long distance.

The one that is in the Raspberry Pi 3 doesn't perform super well.


« Last Edit: November 08, 2017, 11:16:56 pm by cdev »
"What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away."
 

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Re: Antenna working on metal surface
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2017, 09:53:03 pm »
Could you make a slot antenna?. It would mean cutting a thin slit in the metal (or finding an area where there is a natural gap between sections), but slot antennas are really efficient.
 


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