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Offline denverpilot

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Please stop. I’m laughing too hard.

The fleet of “Allah’s Solar Roadways and Tower Erection” trucks was putting up a cell tower on the Ranch to the east this morning though.

And people were clamoring for another New Deal with 3% unemployment and the US equities market having its best year for investors in 40 years.
 

Offline cdevTopic starter

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You're very knowledgeable, aren't you?

The services which we have committed to open up are basically the middle class's jobs.

The GPA is just the newest one. There is also the GATS.

"unlimited market access for qualified firms".

See the Indian TFS proposal which attempts to force countries into a mold which is inconsistent with democracy.

Read up a bit on the "multilateral trading system", specifically the principles behind so called "services liberalisation", and the WTO GATS and GPA agreements treatment of national sovereignty in areas like transnational subcontracting.

In particular look at the scope of such agreements and their ability to hijack domestic policy and undermine >100 years of progress in workplaces.

People want to create a race to the bottom on wages, and use the pretext of international treaties to do it.

« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 03:09:10 pm by cdev »
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You're very knowledgeable, aren't you?

Yes.

I’m pretty sure the septic tank guy and the propane guy don’t give a **** about your trade agreements, nor anyone else out here...

So, if an Indian contractor actually does take over driving a Propane truck on the dirt roads out here, or pumping poo out of septic tanks...

I’m definitely buying a better video camera and making some money filming that for a new YouTube channel. I mean, a LOT of money. More views than Dave. Hahaha.

Unfortunately with spotty 3G or worse cellular service, I might have to hike to the top of a hill to call the volunteer fire department if they hurt themselves. That lack of 5G should probably scare them, more than me... although I might have a heart attack from laughing too hard to hike up the hill.

If they knock over a barbed wire fence crashing the propane truck, and don’t hurt themselves, but let some curious cows out of the pasture to come comfort them while they wait for the FD and Sheriff, even better. 

I’ll have to record calling their emergency number handled by a call center in India too, while I’m at the top of the hill...

“Hello, my name is Joe... you say there is a truck lying on its side in the ditch? This is not a problem, Mister Nate, we shall take care of everything. I will open a ticket and we have experts for this sort of thing. Will you make sure to give me a good rating on the customer service review you shall be receiving in email in a few moments? Oh, no I do not know when the tow truck will be there, but trust me, we have experts who will take good care of you.”

Yeah... I surely hope you’re right. I need a good belly laugh. And then I’ll film the rancher putting the Indian propane truck back on its wheels with his tractor and a strap.

I might even have to drive into town to upload the video. No problem there... it’s only half an hour or so.

Please. Think.

You really must believe rural dwellers are morons, if you think not having 5G cellular or fast internet is a real problem out here, or some trade agreement so idiot bureaucrats somewhere wrote, means they’ll be getting services from some “Middle Eastern” or “Indian” conglomerate for the sorts of services needed in rural areas.

LOL LOL LOL.

This is way better than even Dave’s Solar Roadways BS videos. Keep this coming. I want to link this thread to some rural friends. They’re going to die laughing.

Like I said, you need to get out more. Want to come drive the tractor? If you can grade an 800’ driveway, I’ll let you do it for free just to get you out of wherever it is that people think we need 5G out here, live. Is it like a tiny apartment or something? Is your internet connection feeding you way too much useless information? Haha.

The tractor is a stick shift. Apologies if you’re not good with those. It’s a 1981 from Japan with a Ford badge on it. Also if you’d help change the hydraulic fluid and rebuild the seals on the bucket controls, you won’t get any on your city shoes. Otherwise, it kinda marks its territory on your right cowboy boot.

Cowboy boots recommended, because that’s also your throttle foot. Flat shoes covered in small amounts of hydraulic fluid, tend to slide off the metal throttle button on the end of a bent piece of steel.

We’ll save “using the three point tools” for lesson number two on the tractor. The handle snapped off and was replaced with a rusty pair of channel locks. It can be a little touchy.

I’ll keep an eye out for those “Middle Eastern” and “Indian” contractors.  Maybe they’ll grade my dirt driveway for cheap. Are they any good at digging holes and placing rebar in them? I’d like to get the ham radio tower up this coming summer. If they know a good concrete guy, I also need a driveway pad on a slope. Maybe even a new pole barn.
 

Offline cdevTopic starter

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You are completely misreading everything I am telling you
as well as why I am telling you what I did say.


India filed a case with the WTO dispute resolution body in 2016. Why don't you read it?

India was founded as a democracy, as was the US.

Neoliberalism was founded on the principle of non-democracy. Its an international cult, whose goal is to roll back the progress of the recent past, capturing the future and its policy for a tiny oligarchy and the corporate special interests they own, at the expense of everybody else. It uses an exceptionally contrived and amoral ideology to do this. .

So my argument really has little to do with India, except as far as their suit in the WTO to force us to modify or end our quotas on Mode Four "non-immigrant" visas.

This is about the situation with GATS and Mode Four. 
http://www.fpif.org/pdf/papers/0511table.pdf

Its not any one country that has been targeted by the GATS, its the very concepts of public services and a public sphere, and public ownership of the planet..  And by extension, the very concept of a middle class, of people who are paid decently, (and not the absolute minimums possible)

The GATS is the core services agreement, but that connection is being hidden by other more recent laws and policies whose function seems to be to conceal it as the source of all this bad policy.

For example, in the EU the Bolkestein directive or Services Directive on the common european market seems to serve that function in some respects. In the US frustration of national needs is explained away by a almost facically disfunctional "two party system" that is largely based on contrived wedge issues. And a President who occupies precious news space with noise has the function of wasting time while policy space is locked away with trade agreements, irreversibly.

The entire "multilateral trading system" is illegitimate as it attempts to remove people from the governance of the planet, in part by keeping them in a state of stress and poverty, or confusion.

The fact is, nation-states are portrayed by the plutocrats as an anachronism they just keep around for convenience in dividing up their territories.  One thing that should give us all pause is the fact that to the new corporate state, all nation-states are equal. The entire concept of right and wrong has been disposed of silently by the web of supranational trade agreements. Thanks to the powers in technology, this is going to have the effect of making democratic changes in any of those countries impossible.

You should know that democracy everywhere is grievously threatened by these private agreements to set aside democracy.
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Also, I would like to state for the record that I like Indian people a lot, and I also like Muslims (the ones that I have met) too. Generally. They are very warm people. There is no country or people one could generalize as being bad (or good) all have their good and bad people.

Also I think (legal) immigration is an extremely good thing for your and my country, generally.

In fact its at the core of what I believe our country stands for. "Out of many, one".

We need flexibility in immigration which is what these trade deals take away.

Which is in a sense why I think these secretive trade deals are so badly thought out, because they try to capture the future and meld it to the policy wishes of multinational corporations, at the expense of everybody except them. So that jobs (and patients in health care) can be traded like poker chips.

GATS is also a huge global voter nullification. They want to replace communities and their core - working people, with other people who are deliberately placed at such an extreme disadvantage that they are powerless.

They are starting (in the US) with high skill professions but their eventual goal is to use these programs to decimate wages.  Big mega corporations are behind this agenda, previously, some of them were in trouble for attempting to fix wages in certain fields.  That shows what their goal is.

The #1 losers will be good people from all parts of the world. Many of them will be legal immigrants, many others will be citizens of the affected countries. Its mostly about money, getting people to work for a fraction of what they are worth, coercively. And hiding that under a convluted mess of new regulations (which only make sense if you recognize it for what it is, a huge global coup to end democracy except in name only, and replace it with a corporatocracy) Which is what the experts have been telling us is happening, if we would only listen.

But the US media at least, wont, because its in on the scheme. 

Its complicated but you can tell something big is going on by the exceptional efforts which are being put into diverting attention from this scheme.

the WTO-GATS is at the heart of the mess, it is a laundry list of bad - very ill advised ideas that all people would reject if given a chance to vote on them.

We should not eliminate public higher education or help for our own students to go to college. Wages dont need to fall here, wages in the poor countries should come up. We should not fall into the race to the bottom trap they are laying for us.  Also we should recognize that there are many public goods which need to be subsidized- like internet access at a decent speed to most - if not all, of the entire country..

We have to be on the alert for so called control fraud.

The GATS agreement is a good example of one. One that has already caused the largest financial mess in most peoples lifetimes, in 2008, costing US taxpayers an estimated $23 trillion dollars, a link they are so eager to conceal that they have not discussed this at all.

A huge number of Americans also have been deprived of health care needlessly because of GATS's really evil ideology.

We have to stand up for the public interest, corporations interests are often diametrically opposed to the public interest.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 06:15:55 pm by cdev »
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Offline denverpilot

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@cdev took it upon himself to contact me via PM.

I have notified him that if he does it again, I’ll report him to the board’s moderators.

I’m placing this warning in the public record of this thread for posterity.

It’s his thread, and he can have at it.

I’ll refrain from any further remarks in it, but I will not tolerate PMs from a delusional paranoid individual.

Thank you also to the individual who warned me about this repetitive behavior of his in PM. M

You, of course, and anyone else, are welcome to PM anytime. I want no personal or private contact with CDev at any time.

Enjoy the thread, all. I’m out.
 

Offline cdevTopic starter

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I have no problem with posting what I sent denverpilot, if anybody wants to see it. I was not harassing him.

We need universal service obligations for rural areas for Internet connectivity, or we're going to have problems that will create areas of extreme poverty.
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