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DIY antenna - element thickness?
« on: May 20, 2018, 06:17:54 am »
I'm looking at building a simple omnidirectional digital TV antenna for RV use.

I've found a design which uses a 26" diameter dipole (?) arrangement as per the attached pictures.

Is the conductor diameter important?
The designs seem to mostly use 1/2 copper tubing. For practicality I'd like to use something like 3mm galvanised (solid) wire rod to create the elements?

Will this create a problem? Is the element diameter an issue? 

My intuition says element diameter wont matter but my brain says I should ask those that know....


 

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Re: DIY antenna - element thickness?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2018, 07:06:00 am »
Larger diameter gives stronger coupling to space (lower Q, wider bandwidth), up to the point where the conductor fills half the space of the antenna itself (give or take), at which point, the negative space being cut off by the conductor reduces bandwidth again.

The widest bandwidth designs are self-similar, where the positive and negative space are equal, under the symmetry of the antenna.  The type of symmetry defines the directivity and polarization: translational symmetry (similar along an axis) gives unidirectional response, rotational symmetry gives circular polarization, etc.

So, if you want a modest bandwidth, like, uh, probably 30 to 50%, for something about that size and dipole-like (I guess it's not a dipole, but perhaps a folded dipole, loop, rhombic or such; anything electrically resonant-sized), you're probably about there.  But if you're going for wideband, like octaves or more, you'll want something bigger like a log periodic.

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Re: DIY antenna - element thickness?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2018, 12:25:37 pm »
Thanks Tim.

I read your reply and went ahead and built it. I ended up using some 1/4" solid aluminium round bar/rod.
It seems to work quite well. Cheers.
 

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Re: DIY antenna - element thickness?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2018, 01:55:08 pm »
There are tables online that can show you bandwidth vs frequency for different rod thicknesses on dipoles.

Iirc a like 800MHz dipole at 1/4 inch has bandwidth of like 70MHz
 
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Re: DIY antenna - element thickness?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2018, 02:19:01 pm »
26" diameter
1/2 copper tubing
26 what? m, cm, mm?  :-//
an Half Tubing? Why do you cut the Tube?  :palm:
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Re: DIY antenna - element thickness?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2018, 07:13:25 pm »
26" diameter
1/2 copper tubing
26 what? m, cm, mm?  :-//
an Half Tubing? Why do you cut the Tube?  :palm:

" is short for "inch", defined to be 2.54cm.

He probably meant 1/2" tube size as well, which by the way is different from pipe size ("1/2 inch" copper pipe is actually 5/8" o.d.), but flexible tubing is nominal (12.7mm o.d.).

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