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Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« on: January 23, 2016, 09:57:08 pm »
Anyone want to contribute to an list of what equipment should be on an working bench?
This should help ham radio operators that are looking to buy some equipment to make some projects.

Frequency Counter - 225MHz or higher
Signal Generator - 520MHz or higher
Spectrum Analyzer with TG - 1GHz or higher
Dummy Load
Attenuators
Power meter with PEP
Power supply 13.8V 30A - for radios
Lab power supply
DMM
Audio two tone generator
RF two tone generator
Large mirror
Oscilloscope
Noise figure meter
N2PK VNA or DG8SAQ VNWA
Antenna Analyzer
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2016, 10:44:24 pm »
Good start. I'd add a 13.8V power supply capable of supporting the current draw of radios up to 100W output, plus adapters to connect the power supply to common radio connectors of the major manufacturers. This so you can work on them on the bench.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2016, 04:13:38 am »
Per the other thread - maybe a telegraph key (or paddle)  :)
 

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2016, 09:14:10 pm »
The specs on the list are a bit aggressive for the casual novice I would think.

Frequency Counter - yes
Signal Generator - yes
Spectrum Analyzer - yes
Dummy Load - yes/can be made
Attenuators - yes/can be made
Power meter - of some kind, something with half decent accuracy
Power supply 13.8V 30A
Lab power supply - possibly just make a source rack that is powered from the above supply?

Adding:
Decent DMM.
Coax crimpers.
Appropriate connector adapters
 
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2016, 09:38:14 pm »
I know that they are an little bit aggressive for the novice, but if one want's to build some projects like, LNA, Filters, etc. It could be usefull to have this on the bench, small steps it's the way to build a lab.
I've left projects aside because I don't have the right tool to make the mesurements.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2016, 09:39:09 pm »
Add:

Audio two-tone generator for transmit linearity tests

RF two-tone generator for transmit linearity tests

S9 (-73 dBm) signal source for receiver tests

Lots of adaptors to connect between SMA/SMB/BNC/SO239/PL519/F Connector and phono

A large mirror, this will enable you to see front panels and displays easily when working elsewhere on equipment. It sounds like a crazy addition but the first time you use one to help fix something like a monitor you'll know what I mean.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2016, 05:11:35 pm »
An oscilloscope is essential, I think.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 01:36:04 am »
An oscilloscope is essential, I think.

I agree.

Something else I would  add:
Vacuum tube volt meter (VTVM)
RF Probe

One of the most important piece of test gear on my bench is a standard HF rig with general coverage receive.

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2016, 02:04:56 am »
It might be a bit old school, but a simple wavemeter is still a great tool to have handy, in my opinion. Easy to make, too.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 03:53:42 am »
Why a VTVM? I've used one at work before, but I never understood why you would ever need one in lieu of a standard voltmeter.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2016, 07:06:02 am »
Theres no point in a VTVM any more. It was invented to stop burden/loading the circuit. Any decent meter with known high input impedance is superior. The only problem I have occasionally is that the probe leads are both capacitive and inductive and pick up noise at high frequencies so I keep leads very short using pomona 300mm clip leads instead of long probes.

Analogue meters (FET / VTVMs) have some mileage as you can rationalise changes in values but the new DMMS with a bargraph are just as good if you ask me.

Cheaper options an more fun ones if you ask me:

Frequency Counter - 225MHz or higher - depends what you want. 40/80m will do fine with a multimeter frequency counter. My UT61E goes up to 220MHz and I've tested it up to 90MHz. If you're using a DDS signal source you probably don't even need this now.
Signal Generator - 520MHz or higher - build your own VFO or xtal osc. A decent Racal/Marconi signal generator will cost you a lot.
Spectrum Analyzer with TG - 1GHz or higher - don't really need one of these. The main problem is getting rid of harmonic content and you can build bandpass fiters to do this that are effective. Also you can get a rough idea of how clean your signal is with a scope by looking at the sine shape.
Dummy Load - non inductive carbon resistors, BNC connectors. Depends how many watts but you can sink lots into these in various parallel arrangements.
Attenuators - resistors, BNC connectors.
Power meter with PEP - dummy load, RF voltage probe (DIY)
Power supply 13.8V 30A - for radios - this is the killer. I'd buy one for certain. I've got a 2A voltcraft unit and will grab a 10A one soon which is enough for my needs.
Lab power supply - use above. If you need lower voltages use a linear regulator chained off the end.
DMM - definitely. I'd say at least two.
Audio two tone generator - two twin T oscillators and an emitter follower and attenuator. Or similar with a couple of op amps.
RF two tone generator - LO, mixer, filter for above.
Large mirror - if you're an ugly one like me, skip this.
Oscilloscope - definitely.
Noise figure meter - probably rarely need this.

If you can afford all the above then I'd probably go for a decent scope with high bandwidth and an FFT function instead of most of that. It can be coerced into a lot of tasks with some understanding of the mechanics of it all.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2016, 08:29:18 am »
Dont forget wide-band all-mode receiver, which can even replace a S/A under some circumstances (simpify deviation adjustment of FM transmitters by listening to the carrier in SSB) Might be useful to listen to ZF stages, too!
Field strength meter, made for a few €$
Big bad-ass bleeding resistor on a stick to discharge fat anode voltage capacitors before shorting them out.
All Ferrite parts you can get, consider dumpster diving (sort them by EMC filters and smps inductors.
Thermometer, be it IR or Thermocouple or whatever.
Non-metallic adjustment "screwdrivers"
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2016, 10:21:48 am »
Why a VTVM?

Well, the title does say ham radio lab equipment. And with ham radio that does not always meant every piece of equipment you work on is solid state. Some are tube and I am not going to probe RF circuits with a high dollar Fluke although it will work if like MrSlack says, a bar graph on it. Some circuits you need that bar graph or a needle to see.

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2016, 10:37:55 am »
The one bit of equipment that gets used the most on my bench is a light/magnifyer. Thanks Presbyopia and SMT.
For the Noise Figure Meter you 'need' a couple of different level calibrated noise sources, which can cost more than the meter!
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2016, 11:15:05 am »
I know about the price of the noise sources, it's like the price of the power heads for the HP, Anritsu etc power meters, cheap meters but expensive power heads.
There is one German project with a dongle (R820T/T2 & E4000) and noise source for ~100€, to replace the Noise figure meter, I'll see if I can find it and post the link.

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2016, 07:58:02 pm »
Two observations on the VTVM argument:

1) They are more difficult to kill, and I'm speaking as someone who killed a Fluke stone dead after it met 22Kv from a damaged EHT lead.

2) Sometimes you need an analog meter rather than a digital one.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2016, 09:37:06 pm »
For the record, nobody was arguing regarding the VTVM. I asked why one would be used instead of a regular voltmeter.
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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2016, 02:47:59 am »
if You working with Filter VNA is a good choice if You like you can build N2PK VNA or buy VNWA
 

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2016, 07:05:13 am »
(joke)

Antenna Test Range  (actually, any nearby park or field will do)

Faraday Cage / Anechoic Chamber 

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Also, a DDS chip and some means of controlling it can serve as a cheap and versatile signal source, for much less than a "signal generator" with similar tuning range.

It seems to me that if you can only afford one of the two, the DDS is the more essential one.

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Also misc. useful things to have:

Directional coupler

Bias-tee

Broadband (MMIC) Low noise amplifier(s)

DC block? (the commercial ones are expensive for what they are, tho')

Filters (I make them myself)

Attenuators (same as above)

Prototyping supplies: (note I am a beginner, so please offer suggestions)

This is what I have found useful up until now.

Pieces of PCB with SMAs or BNC females soldered to them for whatnot.

Wire.. teflon "bodge wire". (I can never have too much of that, ideally in different colors. I need better ways to store things, especially wire that gets used frequently.)

Solid copper wire, insulated wire in various forms, Coax, for building things micro RG174 and or RG316 coax cable for internal wiring in projects. Solid dielectric type and not foam type.

Headers. PCB scraps. Trimmers. Variable capacitors. Trimmer style and volume control style potentiometers. Multi turn pots are handy. I have one vernier style knob ten turn pot, that I use for things, I need to get more. Super useful for working with varactors.

Varactor diodes.

Collection of toroids of different sizes - for HF and VHF 2, 6, 31, 43 and 61 mixtures are popular.

HF binocular balun cores (#43)  VHF/UHF balun cores (smaller, #61 mix)

Magnet wire

A nibbling tool or "Harbor freight 25000 lb hole puncher" or other means of making small pieces of PCB to act as support for parts in old school prototype projects. You can also chop up the ('vero board') that has one side covered with copper, or stripboard is good for busses, one sheet of such board can make hundreds of little supports.

An old school high wattage soldering GUN.

super glue

Flashing copper in sheet form. (extremely useful)

Double sided tape. Conductive copper tape in various widths. Styrofoam posterboard (good for temporary experimental antennas)

Laser printer (for toner transfer PCB making) 

Etchant. (can use vinegar, hydrogen peroxide + salt- and then a tiny bit of nail polish remover to get the black stuff off at the end)

Feed through capacitors. Junk box with previous projects to scavenge for parts.

Good collection of passives in some kind of organizer. (Loose leaf binders are useful for storing flat/small/tiny passives in.)   Although I shouldn't I just store a lot of (non ESD sensitive parts) in ziplock bags.

Conformal coating? I have never used it although I should, as I can see how old homemade PCBs oxidize. What should I use?

Solder resist.

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Question on transistors for RF folks. What are your nominations for non-BJT transistors most useful for the modern radio project builder.  (cheap and low noise!) Modern ones with better specs that can substitute for a lot of older ones. Particularly useful cheap, non-BJT RF transistors. (I dont have any FETs in my parts box at all for example.)

I have a very few in mind but I don't know if they necessarily are good choices or just ones I have seen a lot.

Also, PIN diodes.

Arduino(s) (several)

Cheap Computer with monitor to have at your bench that that runs the programs you use.

Raspberry Pi (can also use it to generate arbitrary frequency square waves, with high accuracy, although I have not done this yet, it looks extremely useful. Has anybody made a bench-useful siggen program yet, around this capability?)

RTLSDRs. Both unmodified and direct sampling are useful. Direct sampling can sample down to VLF. Good for finding HF noise.

Can get a higher level of accuracy on frequency using Linrad ( http://sm5bsz.com ) with its parts per billion adjustment.

Big piece of steel (you can use magnets to hold things) or copper and big piece of static foam you can rest collections of devices connected with multi adaptors on so they wont be mechanically stressed and will have a good ground plane.  Collection of small antennas for testing. Clamps/helping hands. Lots and lots of patch cables.

Coaxial switches and splitter/combiner.

Coax crimper. Dont do what I did and buy crap. Anybody know of a good second hex crimper, which will basically be my first working one, one that works well for all sizes of coax? I basically need to redo half of my patch cables because the cheap crimper I have been using is just very bad.

Cost is why I bought the first one and I was forewarned and so I regret the purchase but at the same time although in both the abstract and practical sense, of course, I can clearly see its dumb to buy a cheap one but- money is an issue now and the ones that are clearly good seem SO overly expensive 'for what they are' physically. I just cant bring myself to spend >$100 on what is basically a glorified pair of pliers.

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2016, 04:15:29 pm »
For the record, nobody was arguing regarding the VTVM. I asked why one would be used instead of a regular voltmeter.

A NASA group has developed (years ago so I am sure its even further along now) tiny basically nearly indestructible modular "tubes" (in a solid state like form factor) that beat semiconductors on many measurements and are also impervious to a great many kinds of damage, (Radiation, EMP, ESD, etc.) they also perform really well up into the multi GHz range. I don't know if or how they have been commercialized yet but it seems that there are a great many potential commercial applications the issue you mentioned being a perfect example. (Bringing back the "VTVM") 

They are small enough to be both power efficient and to build sophisticated modern devices out of, too.

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2016, 12:54:00 pm »
SWR meter, signal generator, soldering iron, impedance meter, all sorts of adapters, morse key.
 

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2016, 12:19:42 pm »
Inductance/capacitance meter.
Function generator
Directional coupler for two-tone, blocking, dynamic range tests etc (using two sig gens).
A couple of 10dB pads for SA.
Miniature vise (like Panavise).
Helping hands.
Magnifier (Especially if a little long in the tooth!).
A decent pair of tweezers for SMD work.
Two RG316 teflon coax leads with connectors on one end to connect to SA (If you have one)

 

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2016, 12:26:35 pm »
Grid Dip Oscillator
 

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Re: Ham Radio Lab Equipment
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2016, 02:11:30 pm »
Depending on your type of work (repair/solid status, vacuum tubes) a isolation transformer (safety first!) and variac.   :bullshit:
 


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