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Title: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 01:00:39 am
Updated on 19 January, 2018

I attached the chart comparing the many well known digital Oscilloscopes in the market.

I was looking for a good forum, since I was considering to buy Oscilloscope, and I found the eevblog is excellent.
I wanted to contribute something and maybe my chart I made might be useful for someone.

I would appreciate any kind of comment, especially for unknown columns and mistakes.  :D

Sorted by the price based on the feedback.
Adding more models are coming :)

The link to the Google Drive: (any one could add comments) (if not, spam me, probably I have set the configuration wrong)  :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit?usp=sharing)

The link to the excel file
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=387841 (http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=387841)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=387839)

Changelog (suggested by):
*Changed from having models on the row and specs on the columns, to specs on the row and models on the columns. (videobruce)
*Changed from jpg to png which reduced the mosquito noise.
*Added excel sheet on the first post. (videobruce)
*Sorting the chart by prices. (videobruce)
*Fixed specs of RIGOL's segmented memory. (miguelvp, Stupid Beard)
*Added SIGLENT. (tautech)
*Uploaded excel file to Google drive and added to the first post. (rs20, tautech)
*Added GW-Instek, Hantek and Iwatsu. (Muxr)
*Fixed the specs of RIGOL's waveform update rates. (miguelvp)
*Added column for whether has individual vertical knobs for each channels.
*Added Imperial to the size and weight since most of the datasheets are in Metric. (videobruce)
*Added OWON and GRATTEN (ATTEN). (Muxr)
*Added a few models.
*Reduced the row height by widening the columns so only two lines are needed instead of three and others. (videobruce)
*Added Rohde & Schwarz. (Muxr)
*Fixed the segmented mem sections of HMO1000 and HMO3000 (Gunb)
*Changed model numbers in columns to reduce the width of excel sheet. (videobruce)
*Added Dimensions (WxHxD) which only had width originally. (videobruce)
*Added Tektronix and Keysight 1052B models. (ez24)
*Modified the columns of Digital Inputs. (ez24)
*Modified from stating $300 range to $300-$500. (ez24)
*Added Serial Decoding feature to the columns (ez24)
*Added GW-instek GDS-1000B
*Added RIGOL DS4000
*Added SIGLENT SDS1000X
*Added Lecroy WaveJet Touch
*Added SIGLENT SDS2000X
*Added LeCroy WaveAce 1000
*Added LeCroy WaveAce 2000
*Added LeCroy HDO4000
*Included typical 4ch, 500Mhz, 5GHz Sampling models
*Added R&S RTE1000
*Fixed some mistekes in serial decoding section
*Update the memory of Siglent SDS2000 reflecting the new V2 firmware change (rf-loop and tautech)
*Added R&S RTE1000
*Added Iwatsu DS-5600A
*Added Keysight DSO-X 6000X
*Added R&S HMO1202
*Added SIGLENT SDS1000DL, SDS1000CML+, SDS1000X+
*Added R&S RTM2000 by AndyP (Thank you!)
*Added Micsig models by AndyP (Thank you!)
*Added Many R&S models (by Rich, thank you!)
*Added Keysight DSO-X 1000X
*Added Tektronix TBS2000
*Added Many Pico models (by ADT123, thank you!)
*Updated SIGLANT models (by Siglant, thank you!)
*Added RIGOL DS2000A-S (comment from Lance)
*Added RIGOL 1000Z-S (and plus) models (comment from Zafrullah)
*Added Function Generator feature to the column
*Added and revised Keysight EDUX1000A, EDUX1000G, DSOX1100A, DSOX1100G on the chart
*Added Tektronix MDO4000C and fixed the waveform update rate or TBS2000 (Comment from ErnestoFB)
*Added Tektronix 5 Series MSO
*Added SIGLANT SDS1104/1204X-E models
*Added R&S RTC1000, RTM3000 and RTA4000

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 01:06:05 am
The chart was too big, and I split,
this is RIGOL
(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=375109)

this is SIGLENT
(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=375111)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 01:06:37 am
This is Agilent/Keysight

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=345289)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 01:07:07 am
Tektronix

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=370431)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 01:07:40 am
LeCroy and YOKOGAWA

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=345301)

Rohde & Schwarz

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=387842)

Pico

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=345305)

Micsig

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=345299)

GWinstek and IWATSU

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=345297)

Hantek, OWON and GRATTEN (ATTEN)

(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=345295)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 01:09:07 am
The selection of the model is my subjective selection ;D
Some of the comments in the chart is my subjective impression too.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: Wuerstchenhund on May 23, 2015, 02:39:10 am
Not wanting to be harsh but I can't see the point of this table. Aside that its full of errors, what's the point of listing a few old and some newer scope models in their basic specs? You'll probably find more relevant information by 30 seconds of googling.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: nctnico on May 23, 2015, 03:34:33 am
I didn't knew about the Yokogawa models...
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: miguelvp on May 23, 2015, 03:39:19 am
I thought the Rigol DS2000 series did have segmented memory, I've never used that feature so I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: pascal_sweden on May 23, 2015, 03:41:27 am
Yokogawa is nice, but expensive.
I like the vertical setup, where the screen is on top of the controls.
So the scope works for both left-handed and right-handed people.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 09:10:57 am
It took me nearly two weeks to get to this point of chart, who never owned an oscilloscope and did not know what to look for comparing them from many models.
It is good if you could fine it Google in 30 sec by yourself, but it was not for me, so I thought there are some other people like me  :)
I would like to know where is the errors, that was one of the point wanted to have as feedback.
The reason of having some old model is that for example Tektronix TDS5000 series was one of the standard in the past, so I wanted to know how newer models are doing compared to it.
And also having a idea to find good models on the internet auction. ;D
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 09:15:51 am
Agilent/Keysight 2002A started make me as a attractive choice after I made the chart  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 09:20:08 am
I really would like to know whether Rigol DS2000 series have segmented memory or not  :)
I will update the chart.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 23, 2015, 10:32:11 am
Not wanting to be harsh but I can't see the point of this table. Aside that its full of errors, what's the point of listing a few old and some newer scope models in their basic specs? You'll probably find more relevant information by 30 seconds of googling.
Compiling a chart as this is not just time consuming, it's a nightmare as it's very easy to mix specs up or enter incorrect numbers. I know because I have complied charts for spectrum analyzers and consumer DVR's. It sure as hell isn't easy.
Instead of being "harsh", why not correct some of the errors that you see??  ;)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 23, 2015, 10:35:06 am
fanOfeeDIY;
What software (program) did you comply the chart on? I have to assume it is a spreadsheet. if so, can you post that instead. The .jpg is hard to read since the mosquito noise is noticeable.  ;)
Great job for starters. I'm sure owners of specific units will chime in and correct any errors.

As a suggestion, I would try to keep a specific price range, instead of as wide of a range as you have. Placing a $400 scope in the same chart with a $14,00 isn't realistic.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: Stupid Beard on May 23, 2015, 10:38:02 am
I really would like to know whether Rigol DS2000 series have segmented memory or not  :)
I will update the chart.

It does have segmented memory, but it calls it record/replay. The 1000Z series has it also as an option.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: miguelvp on May 23, 2015, 11:22:04 am
I really would like to know whether Rigol DS2000 series have segmented memory or not  :)
I will update the chart.

It does support segmented memory.

If you zoom in and set the trigger you can adjust the memory depth or leave it at auto and it will show how points it will use per capture the more you zoom in the less points per segment. Of course you can set the memory depth manually.

So I did setup my scope to 500 ns per division capturing the rise time of the 1KHz test signal from the scope, and I only want to capture that rise time and don't care about the rest of the wave.

Mem Depth set to auto selects 14,000 points per capture and if I press the record button then I get 8128 captures of just that.
(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=153440;image)

If however I set it to 56,000,000 points then I can only capture 2 frames but with a ton points before and after the region of interest (trigger point).
(http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/digital-oscilloscope-comparison-chart/?action=dlattach;attach=153442;image)

So it depends how you set the trigger, for example if you want to capture a glitch you can setup the scope so it only triggers on the glitch and you'll end up with a ton of those glitches to analyze, also by adjusting the mem depth you can get more points before and after the glitch if you need that data to analyze the glitch.

More details in a review by mjlorton: Edit: it starts at 4:48 tried to get the link to start there but the embedded one starts a little early)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9eeS_4sYQ&t=288 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9eeS_4sYQ&t=288)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: tautech on May 23, 2015, 12:35:53 pm
I attached the cart comparing the many well known digital Oscilloscopes in the market.
:wtf:  :o
You have omitted a very well known brand, popular with members here: Siglent.
http://siglentamerica.com/pd.aspx?tid=1&T=1 (http://siglentamerica.com/pd.aspx?tid=1&T=1)

There are several others that are also worthy of inclusion for ANY list to be considered accurate.  ;)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 01:07:11 pm
Thank you for your all the comments, I attached my excel file at the moment.  :)
I would like to update it with correcting errors later

EDIT
I decided to add excel file at the first comment on this thread
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 23, 2015, 08:08:29 pm
fanOfeeDIY;

Three suggestions;
1. You should be able to edit your first posts. It would make things easier if the charts stay there so one doesn't have to wade through what should be a long thread,
2. Swap the columns with the lines since you do not have as near as many specs vs models. That would make it easier to read. Trading width for height. In other words. list the manufactures on the left and the specs across the top,
3. Sort by price and put the disco'ed models at the end (bottom if you do the swap).

BTW, your jpg's look much better, no (or little) mosquito noise.  ;)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 23, 2015, 09:50:53 pm
Thank you for the comments.
I just changed all the jpg files to png to reduce the misquote noise.

Re-sorting by price, let me work on it tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: rs20 on May 23, 2015, 10:09:27 pm
Maybe I'll be derided as a Google fanboy, but you could post this on Google Drive and make it publically accessible + commentable.
-- It'll be as easy to navigate as Excel, but not require a download
-- People can comment on errors for you, anyone will be able to see those comments straight away, and it'll be much easier for you to address because the comments will be attached to the cells in question
-- You can give temporary/permanent edit permissions to anyone who wants to fix a whole bunch of errors

Edit: Just like this (http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/).
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: Muxr on May 24, 2015, 01:29:37 am
I support this effort. I would however add Owon as well, it is the other "big" Chinese brand. Goes something like Rigol, Siglent, Owon. There is also GW-Instek and Hantek.

Also:

Iwatsu - Japanese

and

Hameg or Rohde & Schwarz (how they are called now) - is the big European brand.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 24, 2015, 01:32:52 am
rs20;
Problem with that is it takes away from this forum as in a benefit for the members. IOW's it's just another reason to visit here.  ;)
For that monstrous multimeter chart. That is grossly overwhelming.  Too much info. I can't even imagine who long it took to compose all of that.  :o
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 24, 2015, 01:40:58 am
fanOfeeDIY;
Looking better. Those manufactures Muxr gave should be included.  :-+

Additional suggestions;
Choose a ceiling price. Say under $2000.US (open for discussion). With the amount of choices out there that should provide enough choices and remove those higher end models, especially above $5k.
Take a look through this sub-forum and note the scopes that have their own threads and ones that get mentioned a lot.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: miguelvp on May 24, 2015, 05:12:18 am
TL;DR the Rigol DS2000 series capture rate is 50,000 wfms/s not 65,000, that's the max number of waveforms it can record. Also on the DS1000Z there is no 60,000 wfms/s option that is for recording as well.

Not sure how Rigol got their 65,000 wfms/s, I've never seen anything higher than 48,000 and I thought they did claim just 50,000 but not sure.

Actually I did look at the specs and it's 50,000 wfms/s for the whole DS2000 series:

http://www.tequipment.net/assets/1/26/DS2000A_DataSheet_EN.pdf (http://www.tequipment.net/assets/1/26/DS2000A_DataSheet_EN.pdf)

DS1000z series capture rate is 30,000 wfms/s no option available to do more:

http://www.tequipment.net/assets/1/26/MSO__DS1000Z_Datasheet-EN.pdf (http://www.tequipment.net/assets/1/26/MSO__DS1000Z_Datasheet-EN.pdf)

Still it's a useless figure because that's at 700 points Mem depth, at 1.4Kpoints it halves and at 14.0Kpoints it's 1/10th (~5,000 wfms/s), Edit: and the capture rate changes with the vertical settings as well, maybe it will reach the 50,000 at the 500uV per division at X1.

At 500ns time division feeding it a 600 KHz 9Vpp sawtooth signal with the vertical set at 2 V per division I get a whooping 35.5 Hz No K in there. Edit: my bad, I still had the mem depth set to 56M oops, at 14kpts it's triggering at 5,000 wfms/s.

So that waveform capture data spec is useless, If you want to find something you better set the trigger right, even at the full 50,000 wfms/s you will be missing quite a bit so you can't rely on the capture rate anyways.

Also there are a lot of things missing in your charts.
For example Analysis of recorded data with pass/fail masks.
Decoding and what can it decode.
LXI communication

Just to name a few.

Last but not least, I only looked at the DS2000 and not in detail so it seems the document is lacking due diligence IMHO.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: tautech on May 24, 2015, 06:56:52 am
rs20;
Problem with that is it takes away from this forum as in a benefit for the members. IOW's it's just another reason to visit here.  ;)
For that monstrous multimeter chart. That is grossly overwhelming.  Too much info. I can't even imagine who long it took to compose all of that.  :o
:bullshit:
Really, just how did you think it would be used?
Select a DMM, based on local availability, price and the features you need and see how it compares against similar.  :-+
We are very lucky to have this "living" document, there's nothing that can compare.  :clap:
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: rs20 on May 24, 2015, 08:16:15 am
rs20;
Problem with that is it takes away from this forum as in a benefit for the members. IOW's it's just another reason to visit here.  ;)
For that monstrous multimeter chart. That is grossly overwhelming.  Too much info. I can't even imagine who long it took to compose all of that.  :o

Er... so you're advocating a centithread of people badgering a single person to continuously edit and re-upload an XLS on the basis that that "solution" acts as an advertisement/benefit for EEVBlog? Ridiculous.

Let's focus on what is the best solution for oscilloscope selection for everyone, rather than trying to achieve some bizarre marketing goal or to deprive non-members.

Finally, if you're overwhelmed by the spreadsheet, just hide columns and rows you aren't interested in. Simple.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 24, 2015, 03:09:38 pm
rs20;
The only thing that is ridiculous is being labeled as a "supporter" when you label my suggestion of this being a benefit to this forum "ridiculous"
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: rs20 on May 24, 2015, 04:01:20 pm
rs20;
The only thing that is ridiculous is being labeled as a "supporter" when you label my suggestion of this being a benefit to this forum "ridiculous"

Cheers, I enjoy ad hominem attacks. I'm labelled as a supporter because I am a supporter.

If you could explain how making one person collate a whole bunch of suggestions from a centithread and re-upload XLSs on a regular basis is a not a far worse solution than mine for the members (let alone anyone else on the planet), then I might change my mind. I didn't label your concept as ridiculous because I don't care about the community, I did so because it's ridiculous to think that your concept will help the community.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 24, 2015, 06:47:45 pm
Hi all,

I just sorted by prices, fixed RIGOL's waveform updates, moving discontinued models, and uploaded to google drive.
It took me a while to get used to on uploading Google drive and editing on the web, but it was ok :)

Adding more models will take more times, maybe some other days, today is Sunday and have things to do :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 24, 2015, 06:59:11 pm
One of the reason I felt like writing on the forum is that, the eevblog is on Australia.

I stayed in Australia mostly in Sydney using Working Holiday visa when I was a student long time ago.
It was not every thing perfect, but I enjoyed it, learning Australian English, garbage -> rubbish, gasoline -> petrol, Theater -> Cinema and etc.
Tomato is pronounced as tomato and not tomeito :)

I do not see much (actually any) Japanese posting here, so I guess the Australia government issued me the visa was effective for the objective. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: Wuerstchenhund on May 25, 2015, 06:24:40 am
Compiling a chart as this is not just time consuming, it's a nightmare as it's very easy to mix specs up or enter incorrect numbers. I know because I have complied charts for spectrum analyzers and consumer DVR's. It sure as hell isn't easy.

I never said it's easy.

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Instead of being "harsh", why not correct some of the errors that you see??  ;)

What for? I mean, seriously, what's the purpose of this table?

You know how many scopes are out there? Even if we stay with DSOs and forego all the analog scopes this still leaves us with several hundreds of different scopes from the big brands alone. You want to stick all of them into the table? If not, which one do you want to omit, and why?

And what about updating the pricing on a regular basis? And what reference location (Japan, US, Europe, Antarctica) should be used for pricing? And what sources (reseller, ebay)?

I appreciate the work the OP has done but sorry I can't see what use such a table has. It lists a few very basic specs plus some subjective guesswork like "Build Quality", plus some arbitrary prices (from where? My guess is Japan but pricing there is usually pretty high and of little relevance to the rest of the world). You really want to point to this list next time a beginner asks for advice on getting a scope? There's hardly enough information to for anyone to decide for the right scope, simply because there are many more factors involved than what are listed as categories on this table. It won't even help a beginner because he'll probably know even less of what the scopes in particular can do and what not as the more experienced members, and in the end will just create confusion and frustration. Talk about providing a dis-service here.

There's a reason why the current system (people come here, list their individual requirements, and get advice based on that) works very well. I really can't remember a single time when someone said "oh, I wished we had a list with the most basic specs of all oscilloscopes". Such a table may have some use for simpler instruments like handheld DMMs, but DSOs are much more complex.

Again, I appreciate that creating the tables took a lot of work, but in my opinion this is a 'solution' in search of a problem. And useful participation in communities is like these doesn't mean just doing 'something', it means addressing an actual problem. And I'm sorry but I can't see the absence of such a table as a problem.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 25, 2015, 06:49:57 am
Quote
What for? I mean, seriously, what's the purpose of this table?
A starting and/or reference point.
.
Quote
You know how many scopes are out there?
Too many.
Both of those comments apply to that multimeter table, if not more so. Then why do we need a 'sticky' on multmeters?  :-//

If you narrow it down to the most current, name brands available In Australia, Europe, the UK, the US & Canada in a middle price range, say $500 to $1500 (give or take), I'm sure the list would be substantially less than those multimeters. beside, just because you don't feel a need, I'm sure others do.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: nctnico on May 25, 2015, 06:52:51 am
There's a reason why the current system (people come here, list their individual requirements, and get advice based on that) works very well. I really can't remember a single time when someone said "oh, I wished we had a list with the most basic specs of all oscilloscopes".
IMHO such a list is nice to have because it offers an overview of what is out there. I'm sure it will point people to brands or types they didn't know about.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: pickle9000 on May 25, 2015, 07:01:17 am
One thing that would be nice to include would be the rebranded model names and numbers, Rigol and Siglent both do this. Lecroy does Siglent, B&K, Atten (mostly Siglent I think), Agilent is Rigol.

I'm sure there are variances, Siglent makes a 2 part firmware to allow manufacturers to keep logo's and such in place. Power supplies may have better caps and so on, but that would actually have to be verified.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 25, 2015, 08:26:17 am
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I really can't remember a single time when someone said "oh, I wished we had a list with the most basic specs of all oscilloscopes". Such a table may have some use for simpler instruments like handheld DMMs, but DSOs are much more complex.
There is always a first time and judging by the response were, it already happened.
More complex instruments are more of a reason for a chart, not less.  ;)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: rs20 on May 25, 2015, 09:57:00 am
Quote
I really can't remember a single time when someone said "oh, I wished we had a list with the most basic specs of all oscilloscopes". Such a table may have some use for simpler instruments like handheld DMMs, but DSOs are much more complex.
There is always a first time and judging by the response were, it already happened.
More complex instruments are more of a reason for a chart, not less.  ;)
Agreed, for all the complexity of oscilloscopes, you can really summarize the basic things you can achieve with that oscilloscope by stating bandwidth, sample rate, record length, waveforms/second.

So having a place to go where you can say (e.g.) "I don't want to spend more than $1.5k, need 500 MHz, 4 channels, what's my shortlist of models" is obviously very handy.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: Hydrawerk on May 25, 2015, 10:22:50 am
I think that most Tektronix scopes do not have a segmented memory.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: pickle9000 on May 25, 2015, 10:27:43 am
Quote
I really can't remember a single time when someone said "oh, I wished we had a list with the most basic specs of all oscilloscopes". Such a table may have some use for simpler instruments like handheld DMMs, but DSOs are much more complex.
There is always a first time and judging by the response were, it already happened.
More complex instruments are more of a reason for a chart, not less.  ;)
Agreed, for all the complexity of oscilloscopes, you can really summarize the basic things you can achieve with that oscilloscope by stating bandwidth, sample rate, record length, waveforms/second.

So having a place to go where you can say (e.g.) "I don't want to spend more than $1.5k, need 500 MHz, 4 channels, what's my shortlist of models" is obviously very handy.

I would add serial decoding and intensity graded display to that basic features list.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: blueskull on May 25, 2015, 11:26:17 am
I do not see much (actually any) Japanese posting here, so I guess the Australia government issued me the visa was effective for the objective. :)

"mojo-chan" is a very active Japanese member here, and has A LOT OF posts.

BTW, is is not good that this forum does not support CJK encoding, so only Latin characters are accepted here.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 25, 2015, 02:03:40 pm
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I enjoy ad hominem attacks.
Oh, like you did to me by throwing the first stone? Then, it looks like you do along with your sophisticated terminology.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: rs20 on May 25, 2015, 02:06:48 pm
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I enjoy ad hominem attacks.
Oh, like you did to me by throwing the first stone? Then, it looks like you do along with your sophisticated terminology.
I criticized your idea, not you. You still haven't defended your idea.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 25, 2015, 02:15:55 pm
No need to, a number of others already have.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: rs20 on May 25, 2015, 02:39:30 pm
videobruce, Taking this off-thread because clearly there's been a miscommunication where you don't realize I'm advocating Google Drive vs XLS centithread -- this distinction has not been mentioned in this thread since my message, except for the OP saying he's done it.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: rf-loop on May 25, 2015, 05:57:48 pm
I think that most Tektronix scopes do not have a segmented memory.

Even my  20years old TDS520A have FastFrame (aka segmented memory) acquisition. It can do it max 50k frames/s.

Of course it is very limited if compare to today Siglent SDS2000 what can do up to 400k segment/s (400k waveforms/s) including also every segment time stamps. Without time stamps segmented memory acquisition is very limited. (also Rigol DS2000 do not have time stamp what makes its useability very limited.)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 25, 2015, 10:22:07 pm
Hi all,

Thank you for the all comments.

Today is my weekday, so I have limited time to work on this, but I learned a lot since I posted my initial chart on Friday night.
(*)Correcting incorrect value on segmented memory and waveforme update rates on RIGOLs.
(*)Initially I had features on the left and models on the top but changing the horizontal and vertical of the cart makes significantly better chart.
(*)Learned how to use segmented memory on RIGOL.
(*)Uploading image with png reduces mosquito noise than jpg.
(*)I was able to add SIGLENT in the chart.
(*)Owen, Hantek, GW-instek and Iwatsu are others to add in the chart.
(*)Learned how to use excel, Google drive, and edit on the Google drive.
(*)Sorting the chart by price is much better, since the price is probably the most interest in the chart.
(*)Japanese member "mojo-chan" is posting a lot on eevblog.

Pretty good experience to learn for me in a few days. :)
I am happy that I posted my chart.

Also, I added to the first post, this is the link to the Google drive, which I am expecting for people to add comments. :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit?usp=sharing

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 25, 2015, 10:34:32 pm
Hi rf-loop,

Do you mind teaching me all the Tektronix models in the chart has FastFrame (segmented memory) or not? :)
I would like to update the chat.
The word FastFrame is another word I learned today. :)

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: blueskull on May 25, 2015, 11:27:58 pm
I have a crazy idea, can we add some USB scopes? Such as PicoScope o'scopes.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 26, 2015, 07:13:25 pm
Just added models by Hantek, GW-instek and IWATSU.  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 26, 2015, 08:27:26 pm
fanOfeeDIY;
I would limit the chart to stand along bench scopes. No PC or handheld. There are just too many models with just those others.
Those other categories should have there own list.
Eliminate those 5" cheapo's and put a ceiling around $1500. Some of those names have way to many just by themselves.  ::)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 27, 2015, 10:47:28 pm
Hi,

I added a column for whether has separated individual vertical knobs for each channels or sharing among channels, based on the feedback.
Having separated knobs for each channels seem to be interested for some people which improve usability.

I updated the first post with changes.

I tried to add OWEN and GRATTEN but not today. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 29, 2015, 08:32:58 pm
Hi,

I added Changelog (credits) to the first post who helped improved the chart. :)
Thank you all.

I was thinking to add OWEN and GTATTEN today but almost 8:00pm already so probably I will do it later.
Also I have many suggestions from videobruce to reflect on the chart.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 30, 2015, 01:25:38 am
I made this chart in old style and lost the chance to upload it.
It might be useful for some one, so I would uploaded it anyway.

GWinstek and IWATSU.

EDIT: I moved the chart to the first page.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: ez24 on May 30, 2015, 06:50:32 am
I would like to see this in the format and placement as the multimeter list

The feature that was the most useful for me was the "filters".   I got 2 meters based on the list using the filters

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on May 31, 2015, 05:57:18 pm
I did not have much time to work on the chart yesterday, but I added Imperial on the size and the weight, which could be beneficial since most of the datasheets are in Metric.  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: ralphrmartin on May 31, 2015, 10:17:19 pm
I stayed in Australia mostly in Sydney using Working Holiday visa when I was a student long time ago.
It was not every thing perfect, but I enjoyed it, learning Australian English, garbage -> rubbish, gasoline -> petrol, Theater -> Cinema and etc.
Tomato is pronounced as tomato and not tomeito :)
What do you mean? That's BRITISH English. The Australians use it unlike the Americans who can't even speak properly. ;D
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on May 31, 2015, 10:46:46 pm
Quote
unlike the Americans who can't even speak properly.
At least we don't have an accent.  ;D
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on June 01, 2015, 06:04:13 pm
I added OWON and GRATTEN (ATTEN),
probably I will work on the columns of links on eevblog next and build quality. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on June 06, 2015, 09:13:08 pm
I added Keysight DSO1002A. I would like to add links in the eevblog (removing the columns of tear down videos) and spec of filters but not sure when.  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: marmad on June 08, 2015, 02:21:12 am
...also Rigol DS2000 do not have time stamp what makes its useability very limited.

Huh? What are you talking about? Of course it does. It displays the starting clock time of the sequence plus the delta offset time for each segment. Perhaps not the handiest method for someone interested in immediately seeing the exact clock time for a particular segment (you have to do the math), but handier for noticing (delta) differences between various triggered segments.

OTOH, the Rigol DS2000 has an extremely handy way to quickly move through the +65k segments it can capture, while the Siglent SDS2000... well, let's just say that the last time I checked, moving through it's +400k segments was excruciating (and so almost worthless). Have they fixed that yet?

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on June 13, 2015, 04:55:41 pm
Hi
Added Rohde & Schwarz (HAMEG) to the charts in the first few pages. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: videobruce on June 13, 2015, 09:44:48 pm
This needs to be a sticky!  :-+
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: Pinkus on June 24, 2015, 05:43:48 pm
As this is now sticky the chart might be used for many years. I would suggest
a) add year of market entry of a scope
b) add year of market exit
It helps people to decide how matured a scope is and if it is worth to invest in it or better
You may use the collumn "obsolete" for this. Examples: "2014-" or "2005-2009"
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on June 28, 2015, 03:20:59 pm
Thank you Pinkus, I will add them when I make my spare time. I also have some pending suggestions from videobruce.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: Gunb on July 02, 2015, 04:56:43 pm
Hi
Added Rohde & Schwarz (HAMEG) to the charts in the first few pages. :)

Entry with "Segmented memory - YES" is wrong. The HMO1002 does not have segmented memory, there's also no option available. Only HMO 3xxx do.


Kind rgds
Gunb
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 06, 2015, 12:13:01 am
Thank you for your comment, Gunb!  :)
I just updated the columns for HMO1000 and HMO3000 of Rohde & Schwarz.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: ez24 on July 06, 2015, 02:19:32 am
Addition suggestion :

http://www.amazon.com/Tektronix-TBS1052B-EDU-Oscilloscope-Sampling-Warranty/dp/B00KAKI58Y/ref=lp_2530599011_1_7?srs=2530599011&ie=UTF8&qid=1436111545&sr=8-7 (http://www.amazon.com/Tektronix-TBS1052B-EDU-Oscilloscope-Sampling-Warranty/dp/B00KAKI58Y/ref=lp_2530599011_1_7?srs=2530599011&ie=UTF8&qid=1436111545&sr=8-7)

This is a Tektronix for $520

Also suggest move row 2 under row 3.  I see the $300 heading above the titles (excel version).  Also suggest you put the price range and not just the lowest price.  For example $300-$500  instead of just $300, this threw me for a few seconds.

E4 and E5  show cell contents as "rigolna"  I see this and the price ??

If looking for more work  :-DD  how about put in links to the manuals.  For my short list this took a little work to do.  And the reason I read all the manuals of the ones in my price range is I was looking for I2C decoding and the only one that had anything in the manual was the Rigol 1000 series.  Another suggestion include the I2C option in a column, I think this would set many apart from each other (or one of the other options from Rigol based on demand).


Also for digital inputs I would change 

N/A  MSO... 

to

MSO models only


Also when you put in Used Ebay prices be sure to search on SOLD listings (on the left side) to get a more accurate price.  For example you have Tek TDS5000 series around $4000.  Here are two that sold for about $1700 each

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=HP+3478A&_sop=15&LH_Auction=1&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xtds5000.TRS0&_nkw=tds5000&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=HP+3478A&_sop=15&LH_Auction=1&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xtds5000.TRS0&_nkw=tds5000&_sacat=0)

Read the description of the second one and see what happened to the seller - scarey for a seller.  A buyer ripped the guts out of his scope and mailed it back to him  :-[



Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 13, 2015, 09:38:04 pm
Thanks for the suggestions, ez24.

I just only updated the file on the Google drive right now based on your comments.
I will update the JPG and excel files later this week when I make my spare time.

When I started to make this chart, the Bandwidth, Analog inputs and Sample-Rate were relatively easy since they were written on datasheets or brochures on most of the models.
But Waveform Update Rate, Segmented Memory, Intensity Gradings and etc were difficult because I had to go through downloading all the manuals and go through them.
I hoping this chart will be useful for the forum so people do not have to do the same.

The filters, serial/protocol decoding and more links in eevblog are something I would like to add in the future.
But these are the one which are really time consuming, which requires reading all the manuals,
and some times it changes at firmware updates.

I would appreciate comments from the people who knows about them or the owners. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: ez24 on July 14, 2015, 04:07:01 am
Quote
The filters, serial/protocol decoding and more links in eevblog are something I would like to add in the future.

I know, I had to read several manuals myself to find I2C that I could afford.

As a suggestion you could try and ask a question on one model of scope at a time on this blog.  Then in your spreadsheet put an "*" in the column heading and at the bottom state that this information came from users of this forum.

Start at the top of your list and work your way down one at a time.  I would start a new topic on each one with a link to your spreadsheet and an explanation on what you are doing.  If you try under this topic it will get buried.  Try one scope every day or so and see what happens.  Keep the questions short and simple.  Good luck
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: _Harry_ on July 14, 2015, 04:10:01 am
@fanOfeeDIY:
Thanks for  the charts and the time/effort  you've spent for collecting the spec data.
 :-+

I just came too late on that forum; it would have been much of help for me as I started to search my scope.

Even if it not 100% perfect, it's quite good if one is searching for a scope with certain capabilities. I've made my similar comparison chart last weeks.

Btw.: My winner = Keysight MSOX3024T 200MHz / 5GSa/s 4ACH+16DigitalCH (SW bundle promotion till 30 Nov. 2015)

(the 3022T/3024T could also be good for you chart, as they are 200MHz "entry level" BW models of the infiniiVision 3000 X series)

 :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 19, 2015, 11:58:57 pm
Hi videobruce and ez24,

It is not finished but I updated the excel file and JPG on the first post.

ez24:
I will start asking in the forum for adding serial/protocol decoding feature and etc when I finish updating the excel file.
thanks for the suggestions. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 20, 2015, 10:52:59 pm
Hi,

I started to add a column for Serial Protocol Decoding feature for the models, but I need the help from the people in the forum to fill out the blanks.
Please add if you know which Serial Analysis the model supports, to the file on the Google drive or past them in this thread.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: tautech on July 20, 2015, 10:59:13 pm
Siglent SDS2000 series:
I2C, SPI, UART/RS232, CAN and LIN
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: bitseeker on July 22, 2015, 08:04:02 am
Thanks for the comparison data. Very helpful.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: ez24 on July 22, 2015, 10:56:15 am
Quote
I started to add a column for Serial Protocol Decoding feature for the models, but I need the help from the people in the forum to fill out the blanks.

I suggest that you start a new post on each model of each brand.  Say what you are doing and include a link to the spreadsheet and this thread.  I do not think you will get much response otherwise.

I can say the Rigol DS1054z has serial decoding as an option.

To keep it simpler you could just say "Serial" instead of all the types.  If someone was interested they could do their own research to which kind of protocol.  That is the way I found the Rigol.  I downloaded all the manuals for scopes under $400 and looked in the index for the word "serial".  The Rigol was the only one that had that word in their index.  So if you have to do this research, try this method.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 22, 2015, 01:07:23 pm
Thank you tautech,  :)
I updated the file in Google drive for the Siglent SDS2000 series.
I will reflect them when I regenerate JPG and excel next time.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 22, 2015, 01:13:26 pm
Thank you _Harry_ and bitseeker. :)

Your words boot my motivation updating this chart.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 22, 2015, 01:19:45 pm
That is good idea ez24,

Hi anybody in EEVblog forum,

If you know (or own) the Rigol DS1000E series, about Serial Decoding feature the model supports, 
do you mind adding comments to the file on the Google drive or past them in this thread?

It will be helpful to know, which serial is standard feature and which are options.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on August 16, 2015, 08:30:26 pm
Hi,

I added serial decoding columns on the chart in the first post.  :)
Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on August 17, 2015, 08:14:46 pm

Added GW-instek GDS-1000B to the sheet in the first post.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: ez24 on August 18, 2015, 05:33:38 am
Hi fanOfeeDIY

I am curious is this an academic or commercial project, since this is taking you a massive amount of time.

If you ever finish, I feel that you could do some other people a service by going down on your prices.  However this would be difficult because you will be getting into the Ebay and Aliexpress level scopes and their lack of specs and weird names.  Also there will be a lack of interest and help on this forum (it is too advance for low price scopes).  For example I got a DSO 112 from Singapore for $60 and I think it is a fine scope that meets it specs (4 MHz bandwidth).

Also if you get into cheap battery powered scopes pay attention if they come with the battery.  If you order a DSO112 from China or Amazon it will not have a battery but from Singapore it will have one and you cannot just "buy" one.

Keep up the good work. 
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: ez24 on August 18, 2015, 05:06:18 pm
Hi

Just in case some day you want to include USB scopes here is a quote from Howardlong:
Quote
Digilent's Analog Discovery is a combined PC based scope/AWG/logic analyser. I wouldn't usually recommend a PC based instrument, but I will make a notable exception in this case. I regularly use when I'm travelling, on the train or plane (but be careful on a plane, you might get some interesting attention!)

Depending on your educational status, there are discounts. Alternatively, Microchip Direct seems to offer it significantly cheaper than anywhere else for a commercial sale.

While the scope bandwidth only states 5MHz, in practice it's a lot more, especially if you use the add on BNC adapter with proper probes. I measured it at 33MHz, but keep in mind the sample rate is only 100Msa/s.

The reason it's highly rated on here is not just the price and hardware features it offers, it also has really good software, something sadly lacking in my experience in many PC based instruments.

I think Dave did a video on it.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on August 18, 2015, 10:47:28 pm
Hi ez24,

Quote
I am curious is this an academic or commercial project, since this is taking you a massive amount of time.

I just started this chart completely for selecting an oscilloscope for my hobby use.
Then after I posted it here on the eevblog, it kept growing.  ;D

My old image of the oscilloscope when I was in high school,
the price of the oscilloscope was more than the price of a new car.
But when I heard the rumor that the oscilloscope became more affordable,
I realized that there were too many models and could not figure out which
will suit me. This is how I made my initial chart.

I am working as a software engineer and
earning income for my family is high priority task for me at the moment. :)
But I am happy to update the chart in my spare time.

I do not think I have enough time for battery powered scopes and PC based scopes right now,
and it is something I need to consider in the future.

If the spreadsheet helps any other people in this forum for considering the
scope or any manufacture for their development, I am just happy.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on August 30, 2015, 07:40:55 pm

Added RIGOL DS4000 series.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: ez24 on August 31, 2015, 06:21:22 am
Quote
 
I just started this chart completely for selecting an oscilloscope for my hobby use.

So what did you get?  Or have you been too busy to buy one
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on September 02, 2015, 04:15:12 pm
Added SIGLENT SDS1000X
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on September 02, 2015, 04:17:12 pm
Quote
So what did you get?  Or have you been too busy to buy one

Not yet, making the chart became my hobby at the moment  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: ez24 on September 03, 2015, 08:35:22 am
Quote
So what did you get?  Or have you been too busy to buy one

Not yet, making the chart became my hobby at the moment  :)

How funny  :-DD

Let us know if you get one. 

Seems like months ago someone came to this forum showing their new web site on scopes and asking for comments.  Seems they got ripped to spreads and I cannot find the URL.  It is possible that one criticism was they did not have info on current scopes which you do.

So perhaps you could start your own web site and make some $ from ads, using the info you are gathering.  I suggest you collect links to all the docs you find.


Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: marmad on September 07, 2015, 08:58:06 am
Bottom line: for everything below $1,100 get a DS1054Z  :)

It depends what you need it for. I wouldn't trade my DS2000 for a DS1000Z. I rarely ever need 4 channels, and I much prefer the extras on the DS2000.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on September 16, 2015, 10:11:53 pm
Hi,

Added Lecroy WaveJet Touch to the chart in the first post. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: bsmith on November 15, 2015, 07:14:52 am
Hi,

Added Lecroy WaveJet Touch to the chart in the first post. :)

fanOfeeDIY, I have been lurking for awhile on this fourm but finally decided to officially join so that I could express my great appreciation for all your efforts on compiling digital oscilloscope information. I will be buying an oscilloscope soon and your compilation has made the process more fun and so much easier than trying to individually google all the possible candidates. I hope you can keep this up as I am sure there are many more like me who have benefited from your efforts but haven't said anything yet.

As many have said on this forum, the DS1054Z is a tremendous value, but I can afford more than that (about $1500 USD) and just can't figure out what the best buy is at that level. The main problem for me on that as a beginner in electronics is trying to predict what features I will want the most in the future. Is it more bandwidth, number of channels, waveform update rate, memory depth, etc. that will be most important. And maybe I need to consider buying a used scope like a DS4000 for the same money to make sure I have plenty of features in reserve for future needs. Its a tricky situation to figure out, but your compilation has helped so much. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 20, 2015, 01:39:20 am
Hi bsmith,

Thank you for your kind message.
I am really busy these day and I am really glad to know that my effort of making this chart have beneficial to people in the forum.

Also good to have more people joining this fantastic forum. :)

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on December 06, 2015, 12:59:46 am
Hi,
I added SIGLENT SDS2000X.  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: stts on December 12, 2015, 08:09:58 pm
Hello. I am new here and thank the poster for this chart. I also am looking for a new DSO to replace my os310m. My scope died when the PLD chip started drawing too much current. I like the idea of hacking one of these cheap scopes to max out the features. Is there a favorite that people find most hackable for the price? I will be most interested in maxing out bandwidth and memory depth. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on December 21, 2015, 02:30:48 am
Hi,

I added:
LeCroy WaveAce 1000
LeCroy WaveAce 2000
LeCroy HDO4000
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on December 21, 2015, 02:34:33 am

I included typical 4ch, 500Mhz and 5GS/s Sampling models  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on December 21, 2015, 02:44:52 am
Hi stts,

I see many active posts of hacking software on some Rigol and Agilent/Keysight models in this forum.
I think I saw a few posts for Siglent too but I am not sure.

Please have fun for searching the forum of eevblog.  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on December 21, 2015, 07:44:14 am
Hi stts,

I see many active posts of hacking software on some Rigol and Agilent/Keysight models in this forum.
I think I saw a few posts for Siglent too but I am not sure.

Please have fun for searching the forum of eevblog.  :)
Not for DSO's YET.  :popcorn:

SDG2042X AWG, yes.  :-/O
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on December 30, 2015, 01:01:10 am
Is there a favorite that people find most hackable for the price? I will be most interested in maxing out bandwidth and memory depth. :)

It seems like Tektronix MDO3000 is discussed about hacking in this forum too. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 01, 2016, 11:11:55 pm
Hi,

I added R&S RTE1000.
Fixed some mistakes in serial decoding.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: rf-loop on January 12, 2016, 05:03:27 am
There is obsolete information in Siglent SDS2000 data.

Memory is not anymore 28M. It is 70M.   (and it is same also for all old units, not only new units)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on January 12, 2016, 05:59:23 am
There is obsolete information in Siglent SDS2000 data.

Memory is not anymore 28M. It is 70M.   (and it is same also for all old units, not only new units)
+1
The new V2 FW enabled the increased memory and while datasheets and websites are yet to be updated I can confirm new SDS2000 series DSO's are now shipped from the factory with this new FW installed.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 13, 2016, 02:19:00 am
There is obsolete information in Siglent SDS2000 data.

Memory is not anymore 28M. It is 70M.   (and it is same also for all old units, not only new units)
+1
The new V2 FW enabled the increased memory and while datasheets and websites are yet to be updated I can confirm new SDS2000 series DSO's are now shipped from the factory with this new FW installed.

Thank you rf-loop and tautech regarding SDS2000!
I will update the chart :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: smarteebit on January 14, 2016, 06:24:19 pm
Updated on 01 Janurary, 2016

I attached the chart comparing the many well known digital Oscilloscopes in the market.
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Thank you for the summary. It should be very useful for people who has the plan to purchase a DSO.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 17, 2016, 01:02:33 am
Updated on 01 Janurary, 2016

I attached the chart comparing the many well known digital Oscilloscopes in the market.
...

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Thank you for the summary. It should be very useful for people who has the plan to purchase a DSO.

Thank you smarteebit!
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 17, 2016, 01:03:45 am
Hi rf-loop and tautech,

I just updated the chart of the spec of Siglent SDS2000. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 24, 2016, 06:41:29 pm
Hi,

Added R&S RTE1000
Added Iwatsu DS-5600A
Added KeySight DSO-X 6000X
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 25, 2016, 10:00:08 pm
Hi,

Added R&S HMO1200.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: broz on February 17, 2016, 04:39:35 am
Thanks for this! Was/am pretty set on purchasing the Rigol 1054Z once the funds are available; or an inexpensive, lightly used analog scope; whichever comes first (starving EE student), however this has given me more to consider.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: lesk on February 20, 2016, 11:39:49 am
Thanks for this, I'm in the market for a Scope and this have been very helpful.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on February 22, 2016, 07:44:24 pm
Hi borz and lesk,

You are most welcome. :)
I initially wanted to add few columns more but am bit busy and not able to do it.

I will update this chart one by one.

Hoping good for your study and your bossiness. :)
Title: DS2072A to DS2302A 'upgrade'.
Post by: Mosaic on April 09, 2016, 06:59:37 pm
With  well calibrated leveled sine wave gens, SG503 and SG504 (TEK) using my custom made remote head for flatness <0.1dB @ the scope BNC I re-evaluated the 'upgraded' Rigol bandwidth.

Figures of merit:

150Mhz - Rigol is still accurate  matching the Vpp of the signal.

300Mhz - Rigol is down 2dB in amplitude.

400 Mhz - Rigol is down 3dB in amplitude.

I'd go with using it to 175Mhz max as reasonably accurate. Start factoring in losses past that.

This cross reference check matches quite well with the VNA results.
Title: Re: DS2072A to DS2302A 'upgrade'.
Post by: rs20 on May 11, 2016, 08:25:25 pm
I'd go with using it to 175Mhz max as reasonably accurate. Start factoring in losses past that.

Your comment seems to have come out of the blue? What's the context here?

Anyway, you do realise that scope bandwidth is defined as the -3dB bandwidth, right? So according to your figures (what scope are you even talking about?), the scope has a bandwidth of 400 MHz, which is pretty good if we're talking about a DS2302A that claims only 300 MHz.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on June 09, 2016, 05:48:32 pm
Can I suggest some edits to Siglent model data.
There has been a number of enhancements recently added to two series of Siglent DSO's namely the SDS1000+ and SDS1000X+.

The SDS1000+ range now sports a 800x480 display and LAN.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1428&T=2&tid=1 (http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1428&T=2&tid=1)

The SDS1000X+ range now has 16 digital channels and supports I2C,SPI,UART/RS232,CAN,LIN decoding, further protocols than you have listed in the tables.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1451&T=2&tid=1 (http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1451&T=2&tid=1)

Thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on June 22, 2016, 01:31:03 am
Can I suggest some edits to Siglent model data.
There has been a number of enhancements recently added to two series of Siglent DSO's namely the SDS1000+ and SDS1000X+.

The SDS1000+ range now sports a 800x480 display and LAN.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1428&T=2&tid=1 (http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1428&T=2&tid=1)

The SDS1000X+ range now has 16 digital channels and supports I2C,SPI,UART/RS232,CAN,LIN decoding, further protocols than you have listed in the tables.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1451&T=2&tid=1 (http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1451&T=2&tid=1)

Thanks in advance.

Thank you tautech.

I have not updated the chart nearly 5 months.
I will probably update the chart this weekend.

Best,
Title: Re: DS2072A to DS2302A 'upgrade'.
Post by: Mosaic on July 07, 2016, 11:37:02 am
At 175Mhz the amplitude 'losses' are small and the scope's peak to peak can be considered reliable. While the industry rates bandwidth performance at 3dB down, I prefer to know the absolute values of what is being measured. Also note the captioned heading of my post "DS2072A to DS2302A 'upgrade' to know what I am referring to.




I'd go with using it to 175Mhz max as reasonably accurate. Start factoring in losses past that.

Your comment seems to have come out of the blue? What's the context here?

Anyway, you do realise that scope bandwidth is defined as the -3dB bandwidth, right? So according to your figures (what scope are you even talking about?), the scope has a bandwidth of 400 MHz, which is pretty good if we're talking about a DS2302A that claims only 300 MHz.
Title: Re: DS2072A to DS2302A 'upgrade'.
Post by: rs20 on July 10, 2016, 12:44:49 pm
At 175Mhz the amplitude 'losses' are small and the scope's peak to peak can be considered reliable. While the industry rates bandwidth performance at 3dB down, I prefer to know the absolute values of what is being measured.

OK, just so long as you realise that individually "correcting" every single scope's bandwidth on the market is a fools errand. Bandwidth is defined as the -3dB point, this is a global standard across filters, amplifiers, ADCs, oscilloscopes, etc. Maybe I'm misreading, but you seem to be insinuating (e.g., with the quotes you place around 'upgrade') that "the industry" is pulling a dirty trick here, while it's actually conforming to a universal standard. It'd be weird if the pre-upgrade 70 MHz scope measured 70 MHz "correctly".

Put simply, if you upgrade a scope to 300 MHz and expect amplitudes to be accurate at 299 MHz, your expectations are wrong. It's an understandable 'trap for young players', but that's not the fault of the industry, nor any particular company. Defining the bandwidth of an RC filter would be a pain otherwise.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Mosaic on July 11, 2016, 06:14:31 am
It's a 'trap' I did fall into years ago when I purchased my first scope, believing it would read amplitude correctly at the rated bandwidth.
While 3dB is an industry standard, so was feet and inches until the world went metric. Hopefully 100Mhz BW will actually mean 100Mhz BW @ full amplitude one day.
I am not insinuating it I am saying it loud and clear. 100MHz BW  should mean exactly that as far as the instrument accuracy goes. Not half down the power scale. Or perhaps the units should be labeled 100Mhz at half true power readings.

I worked in the advertising industry for a long time as a production engineer and the ambiguity found in so called engineering disciplines and nomenclature is unpleasant.

The industry does specify RF amplifiers at 1dB compression point for nonlinearity as well as the IP3 point. So it's not as though these things are unimportant.

The status quo always needs upgrading as technology moves ahead.


Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: marmad on July 11, 2016, 07:01:35 am
I worked in the advertising industry for a long time as a production engineer and the ambiguity found in so called engineering disciplines and nomenclature is unpleasant.

The problem is that even if there are agreed upon 'best practices' for designating specifications, many manufacturers won't follow those practices to either try to make their gear look competitive against better equipment, or to hide flaws.

An old favorite of mine is the frequency response of a sound system (or amp or loudspeaker, etc). Many manufacturers list this without a specified decibel range - which makes the specification meaningless.

Or a new favorite is the wfrm/s specification of DSOs. Some people know that this typically means the fastest possible rate at just one particular scale setting with sin(x)/x turned off (i.e. dots mode), but it's not always specified (or if it is, it's hidden in footnotes), so other buyers don't have a clue - leading to YouTube videos of consumers complaining that their DSO is not achieving the advertised speed.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: rs20 on July 11, 2016, 10:32:24 am
It's a 'trap' I did fall into years ago when I purchased my first scope, believing it would read amplitude correctly at the rated bandwidth.
While 3dB is an industry standard, so was feet and inches until the world went metric. Hopefully 100Mhz BW will actually mean 100Mhz BW @ full amplitude one day.

OK, for a start, what does "full amplitude mean"? I'm going to pretend you wrote something actually measurable there, like 0.1dB.

So, should Horowitz and Hill update their definition of bandwidth/corner-frequency? From BW = 1/(2*pi*R*C) to BW" @ 0.1dB" = <hacky correction factor>/RC? From a beautifully elegant definition of the point where the reactances of the R and the C are equal, to some hacky pragmatic definition optimized for confused oscilloscope buyers?

Shall we redefine spectral linewidth of laser to not be the FWHM measurement (which is another word for -3dB)? Acoustic systems? Mechanical filters?

Or should we do the most horrible thing of all, and redefine bandwidth to mean @ 0.1dB for oscilloscope only? WTF?

I am not insinuating it I am saying it loud and clear. 100MHz BW  should mean exactly that as far as the instrument accuracy goes. Not half down the power scale. Or perhaps the units should be labeled 100Mhz at half true power readings.

Guess what. 100 MHz bandwidth means 100Mhz at half true power readings. That's just exactly what it means, and always has. You suggest the scopes should have "100Mhz at half true power readings" printed on them. That's what they already have written on them, unless you make unwarranted and wrong assumptions about what the word "bandwidth" means, and always has meant.

I worked in the advertising industry for a long time as a production engineer and the ambiguity found in so called engineering disciplines and nomenclature is unpleasant.

Ambiguity? Ambiguity? Bandwidth is unambiguously the -3dB point, across all engineering disciplines. You're trying to introduce the ambiguity here by proposing an alternative  :palm:

The industry does specify RF amplifiers at 1dB compression point for nonlinearity as well as the IP3 point. So it's not as though these things are unimportant.

WTF? Is there a precedent for measuring non-linearity at the "3dB compression point"? Like the innumerable precedents for -3dB as a bandwidth measurements, e.g. elegant formulas for such a thing in Horowitz and Hill? The very same datasheets for RF amplifiers still specify the bandwidth at -3dB, with perfect consistency with the definition of bandwidth in the rest of engineering. Your analogy makes no sense. Engineers understand and expect the bandwidth to be 3dB down, so that's what datasheets provide. Engineers understand and expect the non-linearity to be measured at the stated point, so that's what datasheets provide.

The status quo always needs upgrading as technology moves ahead.

The "improvements" that you propose are far, far more confusing and ugly than the reality we have today. Only when viewed through the tunnel-vision of oscilloscope buying does it even slightly make sense, and even then it's completely at odds with all we've all learned about filters bandwidths and spectral linewidths, not to mention other fields of engineering. I can't stress this enough, your campaign to redefine the word "bandwidth" will most surely fail. I encourage you to bring your definition into line with the rest of the world.

Edit: besides, even a scope that was "100 MHz" by your definition would not handle 90 MHz square waves properly. Is that an oscilloscope manufacturer scam as well, now? You can't get away from it, there's no substitute for actual understanding.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 17, 2016, 07:03:20 pm
Can I suggest some edits to Siglent model data.
There has been a number of enhancements recently added to two series of Siglent DSO's namely the SDS1000+ and SDS1000X+.

The SDS1000+ range now sports a 800x480 display and LAN.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1428&T=2&tid=1 (http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1428&T=2&tid=1)

The SDS1000X+ range now has 16 digital channels and supports I2C,SPI,UART/RS232,CAN,LIN decoding, further protocols than you have listed in the tables.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1451&T=2&tid=1 (http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1451&T=2&tid=1)

Thanks in advance.

Hi tautech,

I finally updated the chart. :)

Please let me know if you find any mistake.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Blisk on November 08, 2016, 08:22:05 am
So as far as I see from these tables most what I can get in range Starting 600 USD - 1,100 USD models
Is Siglent SDS2000X
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: joetinkerer on November 10, 2016, 08:50:36 am
Actually, a lot of the Siglent models are on sale at the moment so not quite as much as you thought blisk.  :)

bit.ly/digital-oscilloscopes (http://bit.ly/digital-oscilloscopes)

The chart seems a good idea and a great way to compare models & manufacturers.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: alex27riva on December 20, 2016, 08:05:39 am
Hi, the Rigol DS1052E still a good oscilloscope for a beginner?
I need the oscilloscope for hobby purposes, I don't have special needs.
I will use this oscilloscope for testing oscillator circuits, Arduino signals, NE555, filters and so on.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Fsck on December 20, 2016, 08:09:13 am
Hi, the Rigol DS1052E still a good oscilloscope for a beginner?
I need the oscilloscope for hobby purposes, I don't have special needs.
I will use this oscilloscope for testing oscillator circuits, Arduino signals, NE555, filters and so on.

not unless it's like a quarter the price of a 1054z. the msrp of the 1054 is like 400$ and the 1052 is like 300$.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Fungus on December 20, 2016, 09:31:00 am
Hi, the Rigol DS1052E still a good oscilloscope for a beginner?

It's very old now. 2 channels, small screen. A DS1054Z is MUCH better for not much more money. Especially for Arduinos where 4 channels is much more useful.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: broz on February 18, 2017, 05:13:29 am
I wonder how the DS1054Z will stack up against Keysight's new DSOX1102G? Perhaps a comparison is in order... :box:
Title: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on March 03, 2017, 05:50:59 pm
I have not updated this chart for more than a half of year.

*Added R&S RTM2000 by AndyP (Thank you!)
*Added Micsig models by AndyP (Thank you!)
*Added Keysight DSO-X 1000X
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on March 03, 2017, 05:57:11 pm
I really need to add a column for function gen :)

And Tektronix TBS2000 is missing too.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on March 03, 2017, 06:13:27 pm
I really need to add a column for function gen :)
Include SDS1000X+ with FG std and SDS2000X with FG as option, please.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on March 04, 2017, 07:47:21 pm
Finally added Tektronix TBS2000.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on March 04, 2017, 08:00:10 pm
Need help :)

I added columns for function gen and LAN I/F on the google spreadsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit#gid=197124678

Please add your comment if you know the models whether they have function gen and/or LAN I/F.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Keysight DanielBogdanoff on April 06, 2017, 09:37:26 am
What's the best way to add edits?

For the Keysight EDU 1000 X-Series
Add:
Memory is per channel instead of total
(EDUXEMBD) for protocol option name
Function generator: Yes ("G" models only)

I'm working on finding the # of intensity levels.

URL for the 1000X here: http://bit.ly/1000X-Series (http://bit.ly/1000X-Series)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: rs20 on April 06, 2017, 10:48:16 am
What's the best way to add edits?

I believe anyone can add comments to the doc, that's most likely the easiest way for all involved.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on April 06, 2017, 09:35:01 pm
What's the best way to add edits?

For the Keysight EDU 1000 X-Series
Add:
Memory is per channel instead of total
(EDUXEMBD) for protocol option name
Function generator: Yes ("G" models only)

I'm working on finding the # of intensity levels.

URL for the 1000X here: http://bit.ly/1000X-Series (http://bit.ly/1000X-Series)

Hello Daniel,

Thank you and I am really happy for your interest on the chart. :)

This is the link to the google drive of the chart and I will send you PM.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit

Thank you again,
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: bitwelder on April 07, 2017, 04:51:49 am
Typo in several rows on the chart: Dicontinued in place of Discontinued

Thanks for the chart!
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on April 10, 2017, 10:45:59 pm
Typo in several rows on the chart: Dicontinued in place of Discontinued

Thanks for the chart!

Hi bitwelder,

Thank you for letting me know the misspelling on the chart.
I really appreciate your feedback since it is difficult to have very honest comments.
I updated the google drive.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit?usp=sharing

I will reflected the images of the chart when I have a time to generate png files.

Thank you again :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: ErnestoFB on July 19, 2017, 02:56:25 pm
Hi,
I might be wrong, but Tektronix ensures 10,000 wfm/s in TBS2000 series datasheet, the search buttons is finally enabled, Hi res mode and the brightness is adjustable in firmware version V1.23.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: ErnestoFB on July 19, 2017, 03:01:47 pm
I admit that I am a defender of Tektronix products because I have only had wonderful experiences with their products since 2012, when I bought my first scope, a TDS1012C-EDU. However, my opinion may be subject to errors like any other
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on July 21, 2017, 12:18:50 am
Hi,
I might be wrong, but Tektronix ensures 10,000 wfm/s in TBS2000 series datasheet, the search buttons is finally enabled, Hi res mode and the brightness is adjustable in firmware version V1.23.

Hi ErnestoFB,

Thank you for your information about the TBS2000.
It is just my excuse but I am way behind updating the chart these days.

Please wait for me to block my time in my spare time.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Yacko1975 on August 08, 2017, 04:14:45 am
Thanks for the great list this really helped me in my search for a digital oscilloscope.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: cellularmitosis on August 10, 2017, 08:37:50 am
I picked up a DSO112A for $70 and it seems to be the first sub-$100 scope which isn't total crap.  2MHz, single channel.

Marco Reps just made a video on it: https://youtu.be/fGU9LoEpQFw
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: bitseeker on August 10, 2017, 11:11:26 am
Yeah, saw that. For those who want to get started fixing old radios, 2 MHz is more useful than the cheaper 200 kHz versions.

What do you have planned for it?
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on August 27, 2017, 11:20:40 pm
I was finally able to update the chart after nearly 5 month silence.

*Added Many Pico models (by ADT123, thank you!)
*Updated SIGLANT models (by Siglant, thank you!)
*Added RIGOL DS2000A-S (comment from Lance)
*Added RIGOL 1000Z-S (and plus) models (comment from Zafrullah)
*Added Function Generator feature to the column
*Added and revised EDUX1000A, EDUX1000G, DSOX1100A, DSOX1100G on the chart

Happy to have PicoScope :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Comparison Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on August 28, 2017, 10:29:11 pm
I have a crazy idea, can we add some USB scopes? Such as PicoScope o'scopes.

Your idea became true, finally  :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on August 28, 2017, 10:32:56 pm
Hi,
I might be wrong, but Tektronix ensures 10,000 wfm/s in TBS2000 series datasheet, the search buttons is finally enabled, Hi res mode and the brightness is adjustable in firmware version V1.23.

Hi ErnestoFB, I will focus on updating Tektronix models on next updates. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on September 04, 2017, 11:30:34 pm
Hi,
I might be wrong, but Tektronix ensures 10,000 wfm/s in TBS2000 series datasheet, the search buttons is finally enabled, Hi res mode and the brightness is adjustable in firmware version V1.23.

Hi ErnestoFB,

I am working full day on a day time and do not know when I could have a slot for working on the chart.
Do you mind adding comments directly to the google drive?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit#gid=197124678

I will incorporate the comments in the chart for next update.

Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: transistor12 on October 10, 2017, 08:17:41 am
Wonderful.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: peter198400000 on October 13, 2017, 10:18:29 pm
I donot know?why tektronix got tbs series for insulting their reputaion?such a bad product with terrible experience can kill any R&D engineer's skill?and making troubles for their job?
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 14, 2017, 05:32:01 pm
Hi,
I might be wrong, but Tektronix ensures 10,000 wfm/s in TBS2000 series datasheet, the search buttons is finally enabled, Hi res mode and the brightness is adjustable in firmware version V1.23.

Thank you for the information, i found the link to the datasheet.
http://direct.tek.com/sites/tek.com/files/media/media/resources/TBS2K_compare_chart.pdf (http://direct.tek.com/sites/tek.com/files/media/media/resources/TBS2K_compare_chart.pdf)

I am updating the Tektronix series today. Please wait. :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 15, 2017, 10:34:25 am
Hi,

Added Tektronix MDO4000C and fixed the waveform update rate or TBS2000.
Thank you for the comment from ErnestoFB :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 16, 2017, 12:09:09 am

Added Tektronix 5 Series MSO :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Arjen_Arg on November 19, 2017, 03:18:03 am
This is really great, thank you for your work!
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 26, 2017, 08:53:57 am
This is really great, thank you for your work!

You are most welcome :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on November 26, 2017, 09:16:58 am
In the next few days there'll be other Siglents to add to the list, please keep an eye out for them to appear on Siglent websites. 4 channel X-E models, SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E.
TIA.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 26, 2017, 09:34:29 am
In the next few days there'll be other Siglents to add to the list, please keep an eye out for them to appear on Siglent websites. 4 channel X-E models, SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E.
TIA.

Thank you for the info :)
I will check the website.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 30, 2017, 01:03:06 am
Hi

I Added SIGLANT SDS1104/1204X-E models.

May be the next is Uni-T?
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on November 30, 2017, 01:10:51 am

I also see the limitation of the chart since all the Oscilloscope have different characteristics just can not be compared by the chart.
I might need to add comments section.

Some Tektronix have superb Spectrum Analyzer.
Some has one ADC shared with all channel which reduces the sampling rate from 1G, 500M, 150M respectively with using 1ch, 2ch, 4ch at the same time while other has two ADC or have noe sampling rate drop for 4 channels.
No information about FFT feature in the chart and etc.
 
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: cowasaki on January 15, 2018, 09:41:56 am
Sorry if I've missed it in all the posts but what about the scopes from UNI-T I know they are not maybe considered a top brand but I have a UNI-T UTD4202C 200MHz digital storage scope with logic analyser and I've found it very useable.  If I could have afforded a Fluke or some other brand like that I would have done!
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 19, 2018, 02:10:03 am
Sorry if I've missed it in all the posts but what about the scopes from UNI-T I know they are not maybe considered a top brand but I have a UNI-T UTD4202C 200MHz digital storage scope with logic analyser and I've found it very useable.  If I could have afforded a Fluke or some other brand like that I would have done!

I would like to have UNI-T in the chart.
I also do not seem to have reflected the changes of the price and default options on ds1054z.

Would you like to add comments for UNI-T in the chart :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on January 19, 2018, 11:25:29 pm

The R&S RTC1000, RTM3000 and RTA4000 are added.

Thank you for improving the chart.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: timkoers on February 25, 2018, 08:42:18 am
It looks like you forgot the Siglent SDS-1204X-E, or did you just not put it in there because it virtually has the same specs as the SDS-1202X-E but with two extra channels?
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on February 25, 2018, 09:11:23 am
It looks like you forgot the Siglent SDS-1204X-E, or did you just not put it in there because it virtually has the same specs as the SDS-1202X-E but with two extra channels?
Yes it has been overlooked it appears but it won't be because of SDS1202X-E as the 4 ch version has more features.
The feature set of both X-E 4ch models is the same excepting BW of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on February 25, 2018, 06:07:24 pm
It looks like you forgot the Siglent SDS-1204X-E, or did you just not put it in there because it virtually has the same specs as the SDS-1202X-E but with two extra channels?
Yes it has been overlooked it appears but it won't be because of SDS1202X-E as the 4 ch version has more features.
The feature set of both X-E 4ch models is the same excepting BW of course.  ;)

I had to include SDS-1204X-E to SDS1104X-E's column, the chart is already large and to keep the size manageable I am merging the models with different BWs.
 
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: bullonwheels on June 03, 2018, 09:27:07 am
Hi Please help me, I have Tektronix 4104C at work and I want something to work on at home. I am planning to buy 1052B for approx $500. Is it worth ?
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on June 03, 2018, 09:55:53 am
Hi Please help me, I have Tektronix 4104C at work and I want something to work on at home. I am planning to buy 1052B for approx $500. Is it worth ?
Welcome to the forum.

Tek 1052B has a only miserable 2.5k of memory, would you be happy with so little in a DSO ?

I get the UI will be similar to what you're used to but maybe you should look at a more capable DSO.
My 2c.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: bullonwheels on June 03, 2018, 10:51:56 am
Thank you Tautech.

I am planning for siglent 1202E. Confused between siglent and Rigol now.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: tautech on June 03, 2018, 11:29:28 am
Thank you Tautech.

I am planning for siglent 1202E. Confused between siglent and Rigol now.
What model Rigol are you looking at ?
Would you be happy with only two channels of the 1202X-E ?
For what you were to spend on the Tek you can have a SDS1104X-E.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: bullonwheels on June 04, 2018, 03:20:33 am
Wow Tautech you are life saver :) I just cancelled Rigol 1052 and ordered Sds1204 :)
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: Wolfgang on August 03, 2018, 11:15:50 am
... just for completeness and because it is an awesome scope, I would add the Keysight S Series (Infiniium).
10Bits resolution, up to 8GHz, ... not bad in my eyes.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: johnfiott on September 25, 2018, 08:00:55 pm
Excellent job. Thanks for taking the time to research this. I am looking to buy my first oscilloscope and am considering a Hantek.
Title: Re: Digital Oscilloscope Chart
Post by: fanOfeeDIY on October 06, 2018, 11:47:47 pm
... just for completeness and because it is an awesome scope, I would add the Keysight S Series (Infiniium).
10Bits resolution, up to 8GHz, ... not bad in my eyes.

I have not updated the chart after January and it is already October now.
I have very limited spare time these days, I may have time next weekend.

Many good scopes were released.

I welcome any commenting for the new scope on the sheet, then it will help me updating it. :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rtPqMAkNw2bSkqocuc7zcYkl57fsdPVlxzyqcJmbKIc/edit?usp=sharing