DS1054Z hack still good?

[ebastler]

Yes. 

Don't buy a "plus" model or an MSO though, those are much more difficult to "upgrade".

[frozenfrogz]

It has been and for ever will be a "hackable" scope since the flaw is in the implementation of the encryption - if Rigol wanted to fix that in firmware, they would have to also supply everyone who bought additional features at any point in time with new keys and I do not think they are willing to go through all this trouble.
Personally I would not want to be responsible for all the backlash this would cause.

[Fungus]

Just about to purchase the scope
Can anyone help me and confirm that the hack is still working ?

Yes.

The day it stops working you'll feel a huge disturbance in the force.

[ibendwires]

(Adding another confirmation based on a recent purchase)

Just received my scope today    and was able to apply the hack with no problems. However, I used the wrong option (DSFR) instead of the (DSER). So I had to go through the process of removing all of the features via the SPI commands and reapplying with the correct information 

Anywho. Of note, my unit was up to date from the factory with the most recent firmware version 00.04.04 SP3 which meant I didn't have to upgrade at all. And from what I can tell thus far, this is an excellent scope for the price point. As I was currently using a Tektronix TDS1002B.

FWIW, The threads in these forums sold me on the unit 

[Topher_duino]

I got my scope in today.  Also with the 00.04.04 SP3 software.
I almost cried when the first 3 attempts failed

Then I realised that I err'd on one of the serial numbers when reading it off the screen. doh!
After looking at the rear end of the scope, I was right as rain.

Good luck all.

[Bagpuss]

Just received my DS1054Z (with 00.04.04 SP3 software), but have a slightly different situation to most.
Mine already came from the supplier with all options enabled (except 100MHz).

This raises a some questions:

1) What would happen if I ran :SYSTem:OPTion:UNINSTall?
     Would this remove all of the options, regardless of the fact they were pre-installed at purchase?

2) How do I put them back? The company I purchased from didn't provide any serial key.

3) Given that I've got the options already, is there a different code I should use to enable just the 100MHz feature?
     I was thinking that using DSER would be correct, but just wanted to be sure.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Andy.

[Fungus]

Just received my DS1054Z (with 00.04.04 SP3 software), but have a slightly different situation to most.
Mine already came from the supplier with all options enabled (except 100MHz).

This raises a some questions:

1) What would happen if I ran :SYSTem:OPTion:UNINSTall?
     Would this remove all of the options, regardless of the fact they were pre-installed at purchase?

Yes.

2) How do I put them back? The company I purchased from didn't provide any serial key.

Make your own keys with Riglol: http://gotroot.ca/rigol/riglol/

3) Given that I've got the options already, is there a different code I should use to enable just the 100MHz feature?
     I was thinking that using DSER would be correct, but just wanted to be sure.

DSER will enable everything no matter what's already enabled.

[ebastler]

1) What would happen if I ran :SYSTem:OPTion:UNINSTall?
     Would this remove all of the options, regardless of the fact they were pre-installed at purchase?

I assume the options would indeed be removed. Pre-installation at purchase uses the same mechanism as a post-purchase addition, to my knowledge, and hence removal of options should also work the same.

2) How do I put them back? The company I purchased from didn't provide any serial key.

Either ask the seller to provide you with the key, or use RIGLOL to generate your own (presumably identical) key. Or just don't uninstall the options; no need to do that.

3) Given that I've got the options already, is there a different code I should use to enable just the 100MHz feature?
     I was thinking that using DSER would be correct, but just wanted to be sure.

I would leave the pre-installed options in place, and use DSEA to just add the 100 MHz bandwidth.

EDIT: Fungus beat me to it.
No real difference between our two posts. Either DSER or DSEA should work to enable 100 MHz on top of your pre-installed options.

[Bagpuss]

Thanks. Just used DSER to enable 100Mhz. 

[Old Printer]

Bagpus,  If I might ask, why did your scope come with all of the options pre-installed? I am assuming, always a dangerous thing, that the upgrade promotion was only based around furnishing the keys (usually from the dealer by email). Did your dealer install them for you? If so then you surely want the legit factory supplied keys for possible future use. I am wondering if Rigol has started enabling the options from the factory since everyone has them anyway, which I doubt. Thanks.

[BravoV]

For any legit and genuine Rigol certificate, you will be sent this, and use the key (the highlighted in red) to generate the real key at their web site to get the final key to be entered in the scope.

Example below here ...

[Fungus]

Bagpus,  If I might ask, why did your scope come with all of the options pre-installed? I am assuming, always a dangerous thing, that the upgrade promotion was only based around furnishing the keys (usually from the dealer by email). Did your dealer install them for you? If so then you surely want the legit factory supplied keys for possible future use. I am wondering if Rigol has started enabling the options from the factory since everyone has them anyway, which I doubt. Thanks.

I wondered about that, too.

If you get the special deal you should receive an unopened box with the the 'scope inside and a separate certificate/coupon for your options. The dealer wouldn't pre-install the options for you because it's a lot of work for them, they'd have to unseal all the boxes, unpack the 'scopes and mess around with them entering keys.

So... what's the story? Did you receive your DS1054Z in a sealed box-within-box?

(Rigol puts two boxes on all their 'scopes)

[TheNewLab]

My feeling is that Rigol is encouraging it, becausei nformation on how to do it is all over the Internet. It has been so for years. Rigol could have easily modified their software, at least to make it more difficult.

Why not encourage it? Just think of the overwhelming number of sales they are generating. They are making much more selling a large volume of units vs. trying to get people to pay the $100 or $200 for the extras.

 I would be really curious about how many units they sell an average year.

About dealers,(or sellers) doing the hack themselves. Except for the major distributors, it is a good way to get you to come back for future purchases. Once you get the rhythm, just get some person at minimum wage cracking away. If in China, labor is much less

[volbeast]

I just upgraded my brand new DS1054Z today, the hack still works!

[rstofer]

 I would be really curious about how many units they sell an average year.

A couple of years ago I watched the inventory levels at Tequipment.  It appeared to me that they were selling about 1000 per week.  And that's just one supplier.

The new Siglents give them a run for the money but for awhile Rigol absolutely dominated the entry level scope market.  I really like my DS1054Z but I still want to buy the Siglent SDS1204X-E.  I'm kind of hanging back waiting on the firmware to get firm.  No hurry...

[TheNewLab]

Same here. the hacks on the Siglent so far are too technical to me. I would liek to learn to access code from a JTAG connector.
REgarding the Rigol. I just bought one. even with all the upgrades "official" I added the 100MHz upgrade with the suggusted code preference per these forum posts. worked fine. and did not lse the already installed upgrades.

Seller did not say anything about any included upgrades at all. just a base unit at a little over $200. hum.. maybe more. The box was still original manufacturer sealed. I think Rigol is just going ahead and including all upgrades except the 100MHz on these units now.

[ebastler]

Seller did not say anything about any included upgrades at all. just a base unit at a little over $200. hum.. maybe more. The box was still original manufacturer sealed. I think Rigol is just going ahead and including all upgrades except the 100MHz on these units now.

As mentioned in the other thread: no guesswork required, Rigol does indeed include all options for free.  Presumably "for a limited time only", but the offer has been standing for months now. See here for example, under "free software bundle":
https://www.tequipment.net/Rigol/DS1054Z/Digital-Oscilloscopes/

The price you mention seems too good to be true, however, options or not. Where did you get the DS1054Z for "a little over $200"?

[BravoV]

Dunno why have the feeling that DS-1054Z's successor is about to surface ? 

[Fungus]

Dunno why have the feeling that DS-1054Z's successor is about to surface ? 

And then all the new Siglent owners will cry out in pain! 

[OE2WHP]

Where did you get the DS1054Z for "a little over $200"?

Most probably it "fell" from a truck....

[TheNewLab]

Ha! OE2WHP!! maybe you're right it was an Amazon delivery truck!! Tequipment was the source through Amazon. Amazon gave me a partial refund so and a quoted by net price - oops

It said nothing about any bundle, though. I had no idea until I went to another distributor who advertised a bundle but for around $500. I bought the thing..just so I could try out the hack. and had fun doing it, anxiety and all!

Fungus, not sure if Siglent owners will cry out in pain. their model has more standard features and a larger working screen. Now if they also drop their prices... or, drop the license and hardware add-on for the MSO..then we all will be crying out in pain.

[Fungus]

Fungus, not sure if Siglent owners will cry out in pain. their model has more standard features

We can unlock them for free.

and a larger working screen. Now if they also drop their prices... or, drop the license and hardware add-on for the MSO..then we all will be crying out in pain.

We're speaking about the secret, unreleased Rigol model, right?

They must be due for a new one by now and we know they've been developing their own chipset for a while.

[shorelineproductions]

I wasn't aware of the DSER option at the time I hacked my DS1054Z.  Currently I have the 500uV vertical option enabled.  Is there a method to disable this option?

[Fungus]

I wasn't aware of the DSER option at the time I hacked my DS1054Z.  Currently I have the 500uV vertical option enabled.  Is there a method to disable this option?

a) telnet on port 5555
b) Type ":SYSTem:OPTion:UNINSTall"
c) :SYSTem:OPTion:INSTall XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Where XXXXXXXXXXXXX is your DSER KEY

[shorelineproductions]

Thanks so much for the information, Fungus!