REVIEW - Rigol DS2072 - First Impressions of the DS2000 series from Rigol

[Galaxyrise]

As already mentioned, High Res is, at best, marginally useful at those time bases, causing the BW of the DSO to be reduced to below 250 Hertz.

I have used high res and slow time bases to watch thermistors and the like, but I'm usually doing that stuff in roll mode.  I don't suppose Roll mode would work for you, Circlotron?  If not, remember you can turn on high res after the capture is complete when in Y-T mode.

[Circlotron]

remember you can turn on high res after the capture is complete when in Y-T mode.

I only just the other day discovered that. Game changer. 

[alank2]

Is the FW#00.03.00.01.03 stable and solid?  Better than the 00.02.01.00.03?  Any tricks to upgrading?  I've got two non-A DS2072's.

Anyone?  I know you guys are on top of this!

[marmad]

Is the FW#00.03.00.01.03 stable and solid?  Better than the 00.02.01.00.03?  Any tricks to upgrading?  I've got two non-A DS2072's.

Anyone?  I know you guys are on top of this!

FW v.3 is fine - and, as reported earlier in this thread, has added features. I've been using it for months without any noticeable problems. Upgrading is the same as always.

[alank2]

Thanks Marmad, I appreciate the information!

[marmad]

There is new firmware for the MSO/DS2000(A-S) series that has apparently been out for a few weeks (although I was unaware of it): #00.03.01.00.04.



I haven't had any time to test old bugs - or look for new ones (or new features) - and I'm swamped with other things at the moment. Perhaps someone else can test whether, when using the Decode bus with frames in Analyze mode, the Decode bus still sticks on the first packet of data ()? I recently reported that bug to Drieg and if it still exists in this FW version, he will report it to Rigol very soon.

The firmware is available in the usual place: post 3 of this thread.

[Evi]

UltraPower Analyzer software

Hello, did anybody met this SW in free access?
http://www.rigolna.com/products/accessories/ultrapower-analyzer/
http://www.edn.com/electronics-products/electronic-product-reviews/other/4430108/Software-turns-oscilloscopes-into-power-analyzers

It seems to be compatible with DS2000 series.

[Tasman]

UltraPower Analyzer software

Hello, did anybody met this SW in free access?
http://www.rigolna.com/products/accessories/ultrapower-analyzer/
http://www.edn.com/electronics-products/electronic-product-reviews/other/4430108/Software-turns-oscilloscopes-into-power-analyzers

Nice but unfortunately far from free.

[marmad]

Nice but unfortunately far from free.

I think he's asking if anyone has managed to locate a copy of it somewhere for free.

[Tasman]

Nice but unfortunately far from free.

I think he's asking if anyone has managed to locate a copy of it somewhere for free.

I got a copy on a cd with my oscilloscope (it can also be downloaded from rigol.com).  It works and looks good but only offline - when connected to the oscilloscope it requires a licence key to do anything useful.  The key is locked to one oscilloscope and costs about $1000 in Australia.

[ted572]

Link to download Ultra Power Analyzer 00.01.00.02:  http://www.batronix.com/exe/Rigol/VISA/Ultra%20Power%20Analyzer(PC)update.rar
Ultra Power Analyzer software:  Version: 00.01.00.02,   File Size: 11.03 MB.
Requirements:  XP, Vista (32Bit + 64Bit), Windows 7 (32Bit + 64Bit), Windows 8 (32Bit  + 64Bit).
Needs: NI VISA Runtime and Ultra Sigma (min. V00.01.05.05).
See seronday's Post where he found a Option for the DS4000 using Ultra Power Analyzer, so there will be/or is one for the DS2000 also:   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol%27s-internal-i2c-bus/msg523679/#msg523679

[marmad]

See seronday's Post where he found a Option for the DS4000 using Ultra Power Analyzer, so there will be/or is one for the DS2000 also:   https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol%27s-internal-i2c-bus/msg523679/#msg523679

I played around with the spare bits on the DS2000 for a few minutes (DSBA, DSJA, DSSA), but couldn't get it to enable the PA option - either from SCPI or from the software itself. I'm using the very latest FW (3.1.0.4), so perhaps it makes a difference to downgrade first (no time to test it at the moment).

 

[alank2]

marmad I wonder if they say it works with the DS2000 but perhaps it is a feature that has not been added yet.

[zombie28]

I played around with the spare bits on the DS2000 for a few minutes (DSBA, DSJA, DSSA), but couldn't get it to enable the PA option - either from SCPI or from the software itself.

First of all, you need proper private key, like this one: 0x1C5E1F52C1E3A8
And I believe that you don't enable PA option in the scope, but in the PA itself.

[marmad]

First of all, you need proper private key, like this one: 0x1C5E1F52C1E3A8
And I believe that you don't enable PA option in the scope, but in the PA itself.

Foe non-A models? Because it's enabled in the PA itself?

[Tasman]

First of all, you need proper private key, like this one: 0x1C5E1F52C1E3A8
And I believe that you don't enable PA option in the scope, but in the PA itself.

Foe non-A models? Because it's enabled in the PA itself?

The software comes with a 15 day trial period, after that you have to enter a registration code in the software, not the oscilloscope,  to continue using it.  Purchase of a registration code requires the oscilloscope serial number so it might be generated in a similar way to the option codes, but unlikely to be closely related.
I believe that the power analyzer option found by seronday is a not-yet-implemented firmware feature.

[zombie28]

The software comes with a 15 day trial period, after that you have to enter a registration code in the software, not the oscilloscope,  to continue using it.  Purchase of a registration code requires the oscilloscope serial number so it might be generated in a similar way to the option codes, but unlikely to be closely related.
I believe that the power analyzer option found by seronday is a not-yet-implemented firmware feature.

Exactly, and regarding PA's license verification, all of the magic (or should I say MIRACL) happens in the RigolRunTime.dll.

[etl17]

There is new firmware for the MSO/DS2000(A-S) series that has apparently been out for a few weeks (although I was unaware of it): #00.03.01.00.04.



I haven't had any time to test old bugs - or look for new ones (or new features) - and I'm swamped with other things at the moment. Perhaps someone else can test whether, when using the Decode bus with frames in Analyze mode, the Decode bus still sticks on the first packet of data ()? I recently reported that bug to Drieg and if it still exists in this FW version, he will report it to Rigol very soon.

The firmware is available in the usual place: post 3 of this thread.

I was using the serial decoding (rs232) yesterday and I'm happy to report that the new firmware doesn't seem to suffer from this problem anymore. 

[marmad]

I was using the serial decoding (rs232) yesterday and I'm happy to report that the new firmware doesn't seem to suffer from this problem anymore.

Really? You can confirm that it was decoding correctly when using Analyze mode?

[etl17]

Yes!
There was a noticeable lag (maybe a second or so), but as I was moving between frames in analyze mode the decoding was eventually getting updated.    :-)
 

[marmad]

Yes!
There was a noticeable lag (maybe a second or so), but as I was moving between frames in analyze mode the decoding was eventually getting updated.    :-)

Great! Good to hear it - and thanks for posting the info (plus welcome to the forum ).

[Mark_O]

Yes!
There was a noticeable lag (maybe a second or so), but as I was moving between frames in analyze mode the decoding was eventually getting updated.    :-)

That's a pretty nice improvement, and will make Analyze Mode that much more useful.   

[etl17]

Now if only Rigol was to implement a search function.....

[Pinkus]

Yes!
There was a noticeable lag (maybe a second or so), but as I was moving between frames in analyze mode the decoding was eventually getting updated.    :-)

Great! Good to hear it - and thanks for posting the info (plus welcome to the forum ).

I can confirm that it also works with the CAN analyzer (DS2000A).
Later added: Updating from 00.03.01.00.03 is save: you will not loose any options etc.

One short hint to the update procedure:
a) Check! It took me 4 or 5 attempts to get the scope updated. Even as it looked like the scope was updating (Ch1 blinking for some time, then after a while all leds lit), the scope was not updated (check with 7-6-7-utility as mentioned before). I changed nothing: the USB stick was one I was using all the time with this scope without any problem before. I just tried it again and again.
So, if you have this problem too: just keep trying and don't forget to check the system info after updating.

b) FRAM: Even as I updated only from 00.03.01.00.03 to 00.03.01.00.04, I needed to run the FRAM deleting procedure Marmad is mentioning in post at the beginning. I did not clear FRAM first, as his post also says "only needed for major updates". As my scope had some strange behaviour in some menus (I first thought the new firmware was bullsh*), I cleared it during booting. After clearing the FRAM, everything is fine now. @Marmad: better change this to a "always to-do".

[JDubU]

Besides decode in analyze mode, have you discovered any new fixes/feature enhancements with the new firmware?