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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
130 (23.3%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
271 (48.5%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
26 (4.7%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
24 (4.3%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
108 (19.3%)

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Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« on: October 13, 2013, 08:18:10 PM »
TL;DR :
24th Oct 2014
It appears that V2.3 firmware has now been successfully hacked, but only for increased resolution - see This post and the few that follow for more details.
13th July 2014
New units are shipping with firmware V2.3, which appears to have an encrypted config file. Details of how this version it affects hackability are not yet established - check the end of the thread for updates.
(An earlier version, 2.1 appeared briefly but was reported to have connectivity issues.) 
One user has reported that an old unit sent back for repair was upgraded to 2.3 during repair, but was still hackable afterwards. See follow-ups to this post for more info.

1.2x has countermeasures against the original hack, however  1.21  and 1.22 have now been successfully hacked.
This post will be updated with any important developments, however always
check the end of the thread for latest info


newbie Q&A thread - please post questions about implementing existing hacks there and not in this thread

Marphy's TIConfig utility for one-click upgrade of all current firmware versions

1.21/1.22 firmware hack info

DaveWB's video tutorials for old and new firmware versions

Link to old firmware hack info for all 1.19.x versions b

Link to Taucher's menu hacks (Beta - for advanced users) These enable extra features not even available on the E8 like manual temperature mode, additional pallettes and measure modes, and digital zoom.
check the end of the thread[/b] for any very recent updates.

Link to Nersut's detailed guide to hacking the i series
Link to older i3 hack info

Tomas123's links on post- processing and measurements using E4 images

Jolly's raspberry Pi E4 video recorder

Links to useful files and documents :
Aurora's Useful  information thread, including log of versions and serial numbers
 
Flir Tools http://www.flir.com/thermography/americas/us/view/?id=54865

Direct (non-registration required) link to Flir RNDIS driver http://cdn.cloud.flir.se/swdownload/assets/other/flir_device_drivers.exe

Tech notes documenting network modes using RNDIS http://www.imc-store.com.au/v/vspfiles/assets/images/flir%20a310%20technical%20notes.pdf

Info on console commands etc. http://support.flir.com/DocDownload/Assets/75/English/T559504$A.pdf


There is  lots of other useful info in this thread so well worth a read.

Yes, it has a 320x240 60fps sensor - same as the £4700 E8 model and even more expensive Ex0 series
FLIR E4 Thermal Imaging Camera teardown

« Last Edit: October 24, 2014, 11:56:32 PM by mikeselectricstuff »
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2013, 08:24:14 PM »
Perfect timing sir!  :-+ I just got me some tea + fresh banana bread!

*watches*

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2013, 08:51:35 PM »
Thanks Mike,

Something interesting to watch on a Sunday morning, rather than 'Sunday Brunch' on Channel 4 !

Fraser

UPDATE:

I have posted a UK supplier recommendation here

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg328110/#msg328110

Message  #1109

The company is willing to offer a discount to EEVBlog members.


UPDATE:

I have created an E4 'Useful information' thread here:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/flir-e4-the-useful-information-thread/
« Last Edit: December 03, 2013, 10:43:18 PM by Aurora »

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2013, 09:14:49 PM »
Just watched it - impressive how they've managed to reduce both the BOM and the cost of the sensor. I wouldn't be surprised if the only things different on the other models are the add-on boards for wifi/BT and a slightly different firmware and caps table.

The X-ray is new though - film type ?

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2013, 09:52:51 PM »
another software locked hardware i see :)  wonder what it actually cost  to sell the same thing for cheaper than the advanced optioned ones

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2013, 10:04:35 PM »
Mike,

Another excellent video. thank you. I have commented in the other thread but I noted the 2009 micro-bolometer date. The FLIR TAU engine is looking like a more likely candidate than ever. It's relatively old, so development costs have likely been recovered, and this is just stripping it back to basics for usage in consumer grade products. Sadly I cannot find any internal pictures of the TAU.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2013, 10:23:31 PM »
Oh man, imagine if we can change the limitation just by rewriting the EEPROM!

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 11:14:39 PM »
:-+ :-+ Excellent video!

I would've pulled on the various different-coloured parts of the "snout" first before putting more force into the button. The x-ray didn't reveal those screws behind the snout?

At 30:08 you can see Mg marked on the frame so it very clearly is magnesium. The exposed bond wires were unexpected and disturbingly fragile; I'm a little surprised they didn't encapsulate them with epoxy like a COB, although that might have something to do with the thermal requirements.

The CPU has an Ethernet interface - maybe it's broken out on one of the pads.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 01:11:19 AM »
Mike commented on this the first time he discussed the PCB.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2013, 01:14:17 AM »
Oh , I was wondering g what that little cutout on the pcb was!
Thermal sensor.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2013, 02:38:46 AM »
Mike,

Another excellent video. thank you. I have commented in the other thread but I noted the 2009 micro-bolometer date. The FLIR TAU engine is looking like a more likely candidate than ever. It's relatively old, so development costs have likely been recovered, and this is just stripping it back to basics for usage in consumer grade products. Sadly I cannot find any internal pictures of the TAU.
I'd love to know how much the cheapest Tau costs - could be some scope for hacking there - chances are it has the same datastream inside
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 09:47:18 AM »
The Tau 640 is around 10k ... maybe you can interpolate from that.

Problem with the Tau is that they fall under the ITAR regluations ... dunno if they even talk to you unless you're an international corporation.

BTW, excellent videos Mike. I love 'em.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 09:47:44 AM »
Dave, have you considered to include great teardown videos like this one in your official eevblog? 

You can have a short introduction and summary as a host and have the guest's  contributed video in between.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 10:10:25 AM »
Is the x-ray machine from the luggage scanner that you had? I thought that you had sold it? Love to have one of those!

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 10:12:12 AM »
Is the x-ray machine from the luggage scanner that you had? I thought that you had sold it? Love to have one of those!
No it's a mailroom x-ray I picked up a while ago. Have shot half a teardown but not got round to finishing
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