Fluke 87V (2017) lacking quality control?

[NiaDebesis]

Fortunatly my fluke is assembled in the usa and all the compoments are controlled, but in the future..who knows

[NiaDebesis]

I have payed my fluke 550€
And here the gossen pro costs the same price

But, I am happy with my choice, for me, the 87V is the best every day use multimeter! For a bench multimeter I prefer the 289, but is another segment, and for a avery day use is unconfortable, personally, I am going to buy another 87V

[tooki]

So the box was folded together in the US in 2016 ?  

 

What the heck is your damage, you freak? Like, have you been waiting for years for justification to say "Muahahahah, look at evil modern Fluke"? You realize we have zero evidence of any of the stuff you're flipping your lid over?? And that your rants full of CAPITALS makes you look like a crazy person?

If the label (the one with the serial number and date of manufacture) says "Country of Origin: US" then it is.

And no, you can't put "Made in USA" on the box and later explain "yeah, this box was made in USA, we didn't say anything about the contents".

[tooki]

FYI, I think (hope??) that you've simply confused "screwing over" with "screwing up", which mean quite different things.

To screw someone: to have sex with them
To screw someone over: to cheat the person (as in a business transaction)
To screw someone for [an item or amount]: to cheat the person out of the item or amount
To screw someone up: to mess with the person to the point of causing lasting psychological damage


Now, assuming you mean "screwing over is human nature" - well, it varies wildly by culture, and by individual. It most certainly is not universal human nature.

I guess I meant "to screw over". And that's definitely what big companies do, and to certain degree, to screw up (to make a mess -- wikitionary.com).

Okay.

"To screw up" means to make a mistake, "to screw something up" means to make a mess of that thing, and "to screw someone up" means what I said above. Nobody said English was simple! :p

[Electro Detective]

The truth nailed too hard for you? sorry for the butt hurt      

So the box was folded together in the US in 2016 ?  

 

What the heck is your damage, you freak? Like, have you been waiting for years for justification to say "Muahahahah, look at evil modern Fluke"? You realize we have zero evidence of any of the stuff you're flipping your lid over?? And that your rants full of CAPITALS makes you look like a crazy person?

If the label (the one with the serial number and date of manufacture) says "Country of Origin: US" then it is.

And no, you can't put "Made in USA" on the box and later explain "yeah, this box was made in USA, we didn't say anything about the contents".

   

[totalnoob]

Which part of "Fluke is a reputation-driven company" are you failing to understand?

The business world is littered with the corpses of companies that were "reputation driven".  Bethlehem Steel, South Bend Lathe (went out of business, the name was bought by Grizzly after SBL closed its doors), Bridgeport Machines, Myford Machines, etc.  Not saying, hoping or predicting that Fluke will lower the quality of their products, ruin their reputation in anyway or become a corporate corpse, but it has happened to too many reputable manufacturers over the years that it would be unwise to completely rule it out or to potentially ignore the early signs of an erosion in quality.  Not saying that Fluke's quality is getting worse, as mentioned by others, every producer of a massed produced product (and the 87V is massed produced) will have some defective products come off the assembly line.  Its the nature of the beast, and can't be helped.  The better companies have it happen rarely.

[Liteace]

I think the big problem these days is the manufacturers don't want their products lasting forever, if it lasts 2, 3, 5 years it's better for them, they sell more.
A lot of them now are more interested in showing how much profit they've gained at the end of their financial year, produce as much as possible as cheap as possible.
Look at 70% of mass produced products from the late 70's till mid 90's, a lot of it is still going strong today.

[tooki]

The truth nailed too hard for you? sorry for the butt hurt      

No, you troll. It's that you are pretending that some unsubstantiated allegations are proven truth.

You have no idea what the truth is.

I am not butthurt, I don't really care whether they're made in USA or China, really. But I do care about honesty, both on the part of manufacturers, and on the part of critics. You are failing hard at being a credible critic, as you aren't exercising even the tiniest amount of critical thinking.

[Electro Detective]

But WE DO CARE whether they are made in USA or China   

OP 'cares' even more because they got his cash
and he's got a dud meter that costs professional money,
with UNKNOWN actual manufacture origins

Chill and get with the program   

The truth nailed too hard for you? sorry for the butt hurt      

No, you troll. It's that you are pretending that some unsubstantiated allegations are proven truth.

You have no idea what the truth is.

I am not butthurt, I don't really care whether they're made in USA or China, really. But I do care about honesty, both on the part of manufacturers, and on the part of critics. You are failing hard at being a credible critic, as you aren't exercising even the tiniest amount of critical thinking.

[stevelup]

You reckon no US made Fluke product has ever been dead on arrival, or had a fault become apparent in the first day or two of ownership.

[Electro Detective]

Yes, of course that happens but you send it back and get another US made replacement that you paid top dollar for

The concern here afaict: 
is OP getting a US one or paying top dollar and getting a cost cutting model that MAY have a higher failure rate than a 'reputation driven company' actual US made 87V

A lot of people just don't seem to get it,
and think it's ok to get partially shafted on an important purchase 

[stevelup]

For all you know, the Chinese ones may have a lower failure rate than the US made ones. No-one except Fluke knows. You're just talking complete rubbish.

Why would an American factory be any better at assembling such a device? What on earth makes you think that the quality control is any different at all? Apple, for example, seem to manage just fine with their devices which are vastly more complex and need several orders of magnitude more precision to assemble than a multimeter.

In this instance, the original poster can send his meter back, get another Chinese one, and it will almost certainly give years of good service. The amount of rhetoric being spouted on this thread over the minor inconvenience of a DoA meter is breathtaking.

I couldn't care less where my meter is manufactured as long as it is done correctly and to the exact specifications intended by the designer.

[Fungus]

The amount of rhetoric being spouted on this thread over the minor inconvenience of a DoA meter is breathtaking.

Yep. One (one) dead meter doesn't mean the sky is falling.

[tooki]

Why is nobody questioning the "fact" that it's a Chinese made meter? We have zero proof that this is the case! Literally, the only source for that claim is the Reichelt invoice. The OP hasn't even told us what country of origin is written on the box!!

[tooki]

But WE DO CARE whether they are made in USA or China   

OP 'cares' even more because they got his cash
and he's got a dud meter that costs professional money,
with UNKNOWN actual manufacture origins

Chill and get with the program   

How is it unknown? The OP hasn't even looked at the box!! The lack of a place of manufacture on the item itself does not mean "Made in China."

If you say "but anyone can print whatever they want on the box or item", then you literally cannot trust the place of manufacture of any product whatsoever, unless you personally visited the factory yourself. Have fun with that.

My gripe, as I have maintained throughout, is that you guys are taking it as fact that it's from China, while having literally zero evidence to support this.

[floobydust]

"Connecting Washington and China: The Story of The Washington State China Relations Council":

John M. Fluke, Jr.
"In the years I served as volunteer head of the Washington State China Relations Council, the People's Republic of China had taken center stage with the Puget Sound media. Countless conferences were organized around China—from dozens of sister-city relationships to how-to seminars on doing business there—China was our future...."
"Fluke Corporation can attribute a great deal of credit to the WSCRC for facilitating the opportunity to build lasting relations with many Chinese friends that, in turn, yielded 5% of the company's world-wide business by 1986..."
"Today, Danaher Corporation, Fluke Corporation's parent, employs 4,000 people in China and does over half a billion dollars in sales there..."

[eKretz]

Direct from Fluke:

"Hello Eric,

The Fluke-87-5 is manufactured here in Everett, WA USA.

 

Jim N.

Application Engineer"

Safe to say you guys are in an uproar over nothing.  Now whether the meter in question is legit might be another question to ask.

[Fungus]

Can anybody explain why the plastic on the input jack is grey instead of red?

(is it a grey import?  )

[blacksheeplogic]

Unfortunately their north american customer service leaves quite a bit to be desired. Last time I called for some zebra strips the gal had no clue what to look up. Time before that it took three calls to get a part ordered.

If you don't have the part number ask to be transfered to an application specialist. They will provided you with the part number which the service desk needs.

[blacksheeplogic]

I am not butthurt, I don't really care whether they're made in USA or China, really. But I do care about honesty, both on the part of manufacturers, and on the part of critics.

The only real issue is if you have paid for a localized product and got a grey import as that can effect your warranty.

[Electro Detective]

There appears to be SNEAKY 'under the table' business going on,
and customers need to know what they are getting and where it's coming from when they pay top dollar for a Fluke meter
that apparently is sort of  ~MadE iN uSa~... 

If they are making them in China I want to know so I can consider other meter options

Don't any Americans gas about this stuff? Cat got your tongue?   

[rsjsouza]

Can anybody explain why the plastic on the input jack is grey instead of red?

(is it a grey import?  )

I am pretty sure that Fluke states somewhere in its manual that "Fluke reserves the right to modify the product specifications without prior warning and with no warranties expressed or implied blah, blah, blah... " 

On the upside, if they improved the product and just did a subtle change to differentiate it, even better. We can start calling it "87V, the grey" and enjoy its particularities.

[eKretz]

There appears to be SNEAKY 'under the table' business going on,
and customers need to know what they are getting and where it's coming from when they pay top dollar for a Fluke meter
that apparently is sort of  ~MadE iN uSa~... 

If they are making them in China I want to know so I can consider other meter options

Don't any Americans gas about this stuff? Cat got your tongue?   

Did you miss my post?

[sotos]

Can anybody explain why the plastic on the input jack is grey instead of red?

(is it a grey import?  )

Ran out of ink, or changed Flukes market policy.

[Electro Detective]

There appears to be SNEAKY 'under the table' business going on,
and customers need to know what they are getting and where it's coming from when they pay top dollar for a Fluke meter
that apparently is sort of  ~MadE iN uSa~... 

If they are making them in China I want to know so I can consider other meter options

Don't any Americans gas about this stuff? Cat got your tongue?   

Did you miss my post?

Direct from Fluke:

"Hello Eric,
The Fluke-87-5 is manufactured here in Everett, WA USA.
Jim N.
Application Engineer"

I saw the post, and you believed him?!!     What did you expect him to say?  "ermmm, yes and um no, well actually..."    

His JOB is on the line, he'll tell you what you want to hear, and apologize if caught out   

Are ALL of the 87-5s 'manufactured' there, or SOME are sometimes outsourced if the meter making machine breaks
or runs out of yellow rubber and red dye?

Which REVISION of the Fluke 87-5 were you asking about?
Obviously not OPs one, LOL

Please