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HP8714B VNA
« on: May 07, 2016, 05:44:46 AM »
Has anyone managed to upgrade this model HP8714B via EEPROM reprogramming to enable all the options. Mine uses the Intel 28F010 EEPROM.

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2016, 06:18:59 AM »
The mods I gave you previously are known to work on many different machines, including the 8711B, 8712B, 8714C etc.
The 8711B, 8712B and 8714B all use the same firmware.
I also asked about firmware version but you didn't tell me, if it is too old the extra features are likely not included.
Newest firmware is B.03.54 - be aware updating the firmware may require additional ram.
lastly be sure when you write to the 28F010 you erase before writing.
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2016, 06:44:46 AM »

TheSteve,

The firmware version is B.03.02.

How do i go about updating the firmware and RAM?

I have erased before writing to the ROM.

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2016, 06:54:47 AM »
If the hardware is the same as the 8712B I believe you'd need a 30 pin sim - not sure on the specific type though. I can't say for sure you'd need additional ram but I have heard of the problem occurring before. There is no way to backup the firmware before flashing so you might be stuck if it does require more ram. You can download the firmware image from the Keysight website, you will need an older computer to write the 3.5 inch floppy image.
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2016, 07:16:59 AM »


I think it must be the same as the 8712B model as my board is different from the HP8712

http://minolta1.cninet.cz/HP8712C/

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2016, 07:25:57 AM »
I powered up my HP8714B and it has firmware B.03.54  and BootROM B.04.00.

It was an ex rental so it already has all the options (I think)

i.e. IBASIC, The 1E1 Attenuator, the AM Delay option and the Fault Location option. Some of these require additional hardware to be fitted either internal or external. Mine came with a suitcase packed with an external 2 port switching test set, N type cal kit, external RF detector probes (for the AM delay?) plus several RF test cables. I assume that the 1E1 attenuator option requires additional hardware?

I'm not sure how useful any of these options really are. The only one that I took advantage of was the high power/attenuator option because this VNA could generate something like -60dBm up to +20dBm at the RF port 1.
 

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2016, 07:54:45 AM »
Attenuator and AM delay are both hardware options. The features that can be added are IBASIC and the SRL fault analysis. Originally R_G_B thought he had an 8714C where the options are a little more useful as you can enable the network port which gives you a webserver etc.
It also makes a massive difference on the 8711B where you can go to the 8712B to give full onscreen vector results.
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2016, 07:56:16 AM »
 Mine is also boot ROM version B.04.00.

Program ROM 2048 KB

Main DRAM 4186112 bytes

DSP SRAM 65536 bytes

SIM DRAM 0 bytes.

GOHZU could you tell me if your memory is similar?

need to check  this before i install the updated firmware.

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2016, 08:34:10 AM »
Program ROM 2097512 bytes 2048 KB

Main DRAM 4186112 bytes

DSP SRAM 65536 bytes

SIM DRAM 0 bytes.

CPU board V1.1
FracN board V1.0
Source board V1.1
Receiver board V1.2.2
 
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2016, 08:53:32 AM »
I have the same parameters so it looks like I can update to firmware B.03.54.



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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 04:15:26 AM »
I manged to update  to the latest firmware.

The VNA has option 100 SLR fault location but not the IBASIC. Interesting the VNA has the same parameters on boot as G0HZU.

Also How do you get the plots---images to the PC with hpglview-543_Windows?

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 08:06:18 AM »
I manged to update  to the latest firmware.

The VNA has option 100 SLR fault location but not the IBASIC. Interesting the VNA has the same parameters on boot as G0HZU.

Also How do you get the plots---images to the PC with hpglview-543_Windows?

Thanks

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sorted it
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HP87xxB vs HP87xxC
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 02:52:41 PM »
I am trying to update HP8711C to HP8712C.  The HP87xxC series uses 28F020 EEPROM and the boot image is based on larger blocks than the HP87xxA/B with 28F010 EEPROM.  Published tutorial on Converting HP8711A to HP8712A does not apply.  I've tried several mods to the boot image but have not guessed a useful adjustment.  One funny is that I tried an HP8714C image I dug up and the main effect was to make the machine think it was an HP8730!
 

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 03:50:43 PM »
If you post the image I'll take a look.
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2017, 06:10:30 PM »
  Hi all, I review this post, THe Steve mention that the 8711B, 8712B and 8714B all use the same firmware.
who could upload the bootrom 28F010 for 8711b,8712b,8714B?  I miss the bootrom of 8711B, I refresh the 8711A bootrom for 28F010. But by using the wrong bootrom of 8711A , the 8711B system can't check the 4MB Main DRAM (Shared DRAM), it just display 1MB on Screen when the system check.
 
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2017, 06:24:15 PM »
HP8711B boot rom for you.
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #16 on: Today at 02:39:03 AM »
Hi Thesteve, Thanks for file of Bootrom. Now my machine reboot and check the firmware is ok, But the machine report the error for "Reference clock isnot toggling" in A3 unit.
I Check the service manual for Test 12 "Blackplane bus error", scope the C14 for 5MHz signal is ok. A3 unit also out 10MHz signal.
I search the message for this error, someone said:" The HP 8711A is notorious for having backplane problems.Its a mechanical design issue where the boards can come loose, and the connectors become intermittent. Try re-seating all of the boards, especially the CPU board."
  Maybe I have to resolder all connector of the boards as this guy suggest.
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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #17 on: Today at 02:44:25 AM »
" The HP 8711A is notorious for having backplane problems.Its a mechanical design issue where the boards can come loose, and the connectors become intermittent. Try re-seating all of the boards, especially the CPU board."
  Maybe I have to resolder all connector of the boards as this guy suggest.
73! BD7TQ
It says "Try re-seating all of the boards", not resoldering the pins.  I found the soldering to be good.  Re-seating means plugging the boards and pushing hard to the back.  Some of them has a screw for a better attachment, or the receiver board has BNC connectors on the back that attaches to the back chassis with nuts.

Your pictures indicate you have the B model, not the A.  Check the cables from the front of the FRAC/N board that goes to the Source board.
 

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Re: HP8714B VNA
« Reply #18 on: Today at 01:46:30 PM »
Thanks TK. I try to pull/push the all units,but the error stay there. Yeah I check the FRAC/N board, There is a 10MHz signal out from A3J3 interface by probing with scope, a 60MHz signal out from A3J1 either. if the error of blackplane bus stay here, the machine always halt. I cannot enter the operation system of this machine,it's a big trouble for me.
  Maybe My firmware version is too high B.03.54, I download it from technology support  of Keysight websit.

" The HP 8711A is notorious for having backplane problems.Its a mechanical design issue where the boards can come loose, and the connectors become intermittent. Try re-seating all of the boards, especially the CPU board."
  Maybe I have to resolder all connector of the boards as this guy suggest.
73! BD7TQ
It says "Try re-seating all of the boards", not resoldering the pins.  I found the soldering to be good.  Re-seating means plugging the boards and pushing hard to the back.  Some of them has a screw for a better attachment, or the receiver board has BNC connectors on the back that attaches to the back chassis with nuts.

Your pictures indicate you have the B model, not the A.  Check the cables from the front of the FRAC/N board that goes to the Source board.
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