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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #450 on: March 09, 2018, 09:25:14 pm »
Hello all,

I am in need of multimeter advice. The spreadsheet is awesome and I certainly can appreciate the time involved to compile that, but I am a bit lost by it all. I don't have a strong electrical background and I have always just used whatever cheap meter I had sitting around.

I am building synthesizer modules, many of which are analog. Some of these are kits and then I am also learning how to construct them from scratch.

My need for a new meter comes from a module that I am about to build. It requires a calibration process in which it is recommended to use a meter that is at least 40000 counts and has an accuracy of 4-3/4 digits. I must confess that I don't totally understand either of those two things and while I do see the counts on the spreadsheet, I don't understand the accuracy.

Anyway, if anybody can just make a recommendation or two, it would be most helpful to me. I don't need the best thing out there and really don't want to spend more than I have to on it. I suppose that if there is an option with an oscilloscope that is worth looking at, I would consider that too.

Thanks for any help!

PS - My apologies if this has been asked in some capacity. I don't have the time to pour through pages of questions and answers. I hope you understand...

I pulled the trigger on a Brymen 267s for the exact same purposes (well desktop synths) based on rsjsouza's recommendation  :-DMM
 
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #451 on: March 20, 2018, 12:52:12 am »
In my country we have a saying "Not being able to see the forest because of all the trees".

I'm looking to pull the trigger on a Brymen.

Options are:

BM257S for €109
BM239R for €109
BM829 for €155 (but having to wait 2 weeks and I kind of need it now, but if it is a much better option I can wait)
BM857R for €155
BM867R for €159

I want a meter that I can use for hobby use. Testing diodes is an important factor for me. Looking at the excel the 857 seems to be the most capable, though the 867 beats it on bandwidth.

Of the above I am not sure if the 8-series are worth the €50 extra and since they are around the same price which one I should take.

I hope somebody is able to make me a bit more informed here.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 12:55:27 am by iaso »
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #452 on: March 20, 2018, 02:20:41 am »
In my country we have a saying "Not being able to see the forest because of all the trees".

I'm looking to pull the trigger on a Brymen.

Options are:

BM257S for €109
BM239R for €109
BM829 for €155 (but having to wait 2 weeks and I kind of need it now, but if it is a much better option I can wait)
BM857R for €155
BM867R for €159

I want a meter that I can use for hobby use. Testing diodes is an important factor for me. Looking at the excel the 857 seems to be the most capable, though the 867 beats it on bandwidth.

Of the above I am not sure if the 8-series are worth the €50 extra and since they are around the same price which one I should take.

I hope somebody is able to make me a bit more informed here.
The BM257S is a good electronics meter, which includes a bargraph (good for sensing variable voltages in DC), peak measurements, frequency meter and datalogging, although the BM235 (Dave's meter sold at this website) has a 3V diode measurement voltage.

If you want to go to the top, the price difference between the BM857S and the BM867S is not significant - I would opt for the 867S.

However, if you are working only with electronics and has no meter already, you may consider getting a pair of UT-61E DMMs, which are useful to perform simultaneous voltage/current measurements. It also has about 2.4V of diode voltage measurements (not bad) and can still lit white and blue LEDs.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #453 on: March 21, 2018, 10:57:42 pm »
In my country we have a saying "Not being able to see the forest because of all the trees".

I'm looking to pull the trigger on a Brymen.

Options are:

BM257S for €109
BM239R for €109
BM829 for €155 (but having to wait 2 weeks and I kind of need it now, but if it is a much better option I can wait)
BM857R for €155
BM867R for €159

I want a meter that I can use for hobby use. Testing diodes is an important factor for me. Looking at the excel the 857 seems to be the most capable, though the 867 beats it on bandwidth.

Of the above I am not sure if the 8-series are worth the €50 extra and since they are around the same price which one I should take.

I hope somebody is able to make me a bit more informed here.
The BM257S is a good electronics meter, which includes a bargraph (good for sensing variable voltages in DC), peak measurements, frequency meter and datalogging, although the BM235 (Dave's meter sold at this website) has a 3V diode measurement voltage.

If you want to go to the top, the price difference between the BM857S and the BM867S is not significant - I would opt for the 867S.

However, if you are working only with electronics and has no meter already, you may consider getting a pair of UT-61E DMMs, which are useful to perform simultaneous voltage/current measurements. It also has about 2.4V of diode voltage measurements (not bad) and can still lit white and blue LEDs.

I ended up getting the 867S. I have some bad experience with Uni-T and didn't want to go that route.

Edit: It arrived yesterday. Very impressed with it so far.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2018, 05:34:34 pm by iaso »
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #454 on: March 27, 2018, 01:52:42 am »
Great work on  the spreadsheet, have an embarrassing question as to the note placed in the Hioki UL Section denotes (KC). Could someone elaborate, caught between Keysight 1272A and Hioki 4282. My work involves both bench and field in electronics and electrical but rarely do I anticipate the Cat 4 LEVEL, but I do work on installing residential elect. panels so protection is important. Thanks for any feedback, have mt reservations on Keysight given all the flaws/bugs after doing extensive reviewing across the net but perhaps they have finally got it right.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #455 on: March 27, 2018, 02:18:16 am »
Great work on  the spreadsheet, have an embarrassing question as to the note placed in the Hioki UL Section denotes (KC). Could someone elaborate, caught between Keysight 1272A and Hioki 4282. My work involves both bench and field in electronics and electrical but rarely do I anticipate the Cat 4 LEVEL, but I do work on installing residential elect. panels so protection is important. Thanks for any feedback, have mt reservations on Keysight given all the flaws/bugs after doing extensive reviewing across the net but perhaps they have finally got it right.
I don't have access to the spreadsheet at the moment, but "KC" usually indicates compliance with the Korean Certification Agency (check here).

I have a U1273A and really like it. Mine still has the HW bug but Keysight sent a replacement for free (in my case I could have opted for a repaired U1273A or a new U1282A - I got the latter). The U1272A/U1273A has two critical features the Hioki 4282 does not: Low impedance measurements to track ghost voltages and Smart ohms to measure the ground resistance of installed equipment.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #456 on: March 28, 2018, 02:10:50 am »
Appreciate the reply and input, as I currently do not have access to the myriad of calibration/test equipment I use to have , I have to rely on advice from folks in the industry who have the experience and knowledge first hand in order to make a decision before investing a lot of money. Unfortunately I allowed an inexperienced family member borrow an older HP Multi-Meter which after 35years the specs never deviated came back toasted as well as some other test equipment.
Received a quote on the Key-1272A for 360.00, the Hioki DT4282 $469.00 does not offer much in terms of IP but reviews I have seen it lives up to the spec and quality, the Yokogawa TY720 for approx. $431.00 which UL approval is pending the accessories are outlandishly expensive.
Given that I believe the Key -1272a gives you a lot of bag for the buck even though the consensus is the test leads are much to be desired, have you had to change the leads supplied to your unit? If so do you recommend a specific brand? Thanks again for your feedback!
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #457 on: March 28, 2018, 02:52:08 am »
Appreciate the reply and input, as I currently do not have access to the myriad of calibration/test equipment I use to have , I have to rely on advice from folks in the industry who have the experience and knowledge first hand in order to make a decision before investing a lot of money. Unfortunately I allowed an inexperienced family member borrow an older HP Multi-Meter which after 35years the specs never deviated came back toasted as well as some other test equipment.
Received a quote on the Key-1272A for 360.00, the Hioki DT4282 $469.00 does not offer much in terms of IP but reviews I have seen it lives up to the spec and quality, the Yokogawa TY720 for approx. $431.00 which UL approval is pending the accessories are outlandishly expensive.
Given that I believe the Key -1272a gives you a lot of bag for the buck even though the consensus is the test leads are much to be desired, have you had to change the leads supplied to your unit? If so do you recommend a specific brand? Thanks again for your feedback!
I haven't changed the leads on my U1273A, and I really like them. The cables are high quality silicone and the probes are a bit longer than the typical Fluke TL75, mostly because they have fully isolated banana jacks on both ends. Despite Dave disliked this on his review, I love it as I can easily attach several accessories such as alligator clips, clip probes and other accessories (U1162A, U1163A, U1164A). Also, when working on electrical systems the extra length helps keep my hand further away from the voltage source.

That said, many others swear by Probemaster - I can't comment as I don't have them.
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