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Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« on: February 24, 2014, 06:22:51 pm »
Here is a list of the most interesting multimeters for electronic work and their main features for a quick comparison. It is not an exhaustive list and will get updated as time goes by.
If you spot some glaring mistakes, let me know and I will correct them.
Don't fret too much about quoted prices, as they vary wildly from one region to another.
If you feel I have left out some worthwhile DMMs, squawk here and I will try to include them.
All meters listed have a count of 6,000 or higher, have auto-ranging and are true RMS.
All meters (except MetraHit M30) must be able to test diodes, resistance, capacitance, frequency and current.
You will find green highlights for above average features and amber highlights for poor or missing important features.
Every cell with a red triangle has a note attached to it.

Some Fluke app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained
2. ABCs of multimeter safety
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters
4. Why true RMS
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter?
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity
8. Testing your test leads
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters
11. Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety?
12. Why ruggedness matters in a digital multimeter
13. Burden voltage

and others:
1. National Instruments: Multimeter resolution
2. Tektronix: Understanding handheld dmm specifications

Here are the links for the most recent files (09May17):
Handheld meters
Bench meters
















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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 12:19:24 am »
I've just discovered Metraport 32S
Which I found as very useful universal Multimeter

The 40s is the current model.
I think it would fit in the excel list as a further Metrawatt Item.


 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 08:07:59 am »
Thanks for this Wytnucls. It should help people who have no idea what is available.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2014, 05:33:44 am by Lightages »
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 03:53:58 am »
I've just discovered Metraport 32S
Which I found as very useful universal Multimeter

The 40s is the current model.
I think it would fit in the excel list as a further Metrawatt Item.

The 32s is very unusual. Input protection is rather strange. A 380VAC fuse on the mA range and a resettable circuit breaker 240VAC/50VDC, combined with a 500VAC fusible link. The AC bandwidth is not great at 1kHz only.
The form factor may suit some people though.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 04:19:52 am »
Uh, the BM869 is only 251$ for the meter and ~60$ for the IR connection cable. (tme.eu) (USD cost)
and not everyone really needs the IR cable or computer logging.

you should probably add a little tab for cat 2/3/4 ratings, and possibly scratch off the ratings for meters whose internal construction does not satisfy those ratings.

I really love your idea though.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 04:59:12 am »
Uh, the BM869 is only 251$ for the meter and ~60$ for the IR connection cable. (tme.eu) (USD cost)
and not everyone really needs the IR cable or computer logging.

you should probably add a little tab for cat 2/3/4 ratings, and possibly scratch off the ratings for meters whose internal construction does not satisfy those ratings.

I really love your idea though.
In Europe, you have to add VAT to the TME prices, which is quite substantial. As I said, those prices will vary from one region to the other. You will have to do your own research to find the best deal, delivered to your house.

CAT ratings are not that important for electronic work. Most of those meters are rated CAT III 1000V/CAT IV 600V anyway. I try to limit tab numbers for better readability. Fuse voltage rating is quoted, which is a good indication of general safety.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 05:02:34 am »
Uh, the BM869 is only 251$ for the meter and ~60$ for the IR connection cable. (tme.eu) (USD cost)
and not everyone really needs the IR cable or computer logging.

you should probably add a little tab for cat 2/3/4 ratings, and possibly scratch off the ratings for meters whose internal construction does not satisfy those ratings.

I really love your idea though.
In Europe, you have to add VAT to the TME prices, which is quite substantial. As I said, those prices will vary from one region to the other. You will have to do your own research to find the best deal, delivered to your house.

I think it's the same outside of the EU. and I don't believe for outsiders(of EU) that there is a cheaper place to buy from. even Franky got price-stomped on by tme.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 05:15:50 am »
The latest spreadsheet, with non true RMS meters removed, and some Gossen meters added.
I have cleaned up the layout, with green highlights for best features and amber, for below average ones.

(The spreadsheet is updated in the first post)
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 06:05:04 am »
The BM869 has %4-20mA, maybe you can change temp. to '2'
Maybe also add the BM867
Maybe also add a column to indicate optional connection to PC
Also if possible add a hyperlink in the excel file to the specsheet if available
http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/BM860_Catalog.pdf
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 06:13:23 am »
This along with the bench counterpart would make a great Multimeter Comparison page, say on wikipedia (as we have nowhere else the community can colorabate + edit).

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 06:48:36 am »
The BM869 has %4-20mA, maybe you can change temp. to '2'
Maybe also add the BM867
Maybe also add a column to indicate optional connection to PC
Also if possible add a hyperlink in the excel file to the specsheet if available
http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/BM860_Catalog.pdf
Thanks, correction will appear soon, BM867 will be included. PC connection is under IR.
Will see about spec sheet.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 09:02:33 am »
What about including some actual measurements and tests from meters? We should have good data about some of the meters from this forum alone. I know it might be a lot of work, but cheaper meters like Uni-t always have their quirks. Like ut61e  has high burden voltage because of the relatively high value resistors in current range, where as ut61d as example has low burden voltage. From what I've understood from EEVblog and TheAmpHour Fluke meters always exceed their specs, because all the drift of all the components has been included in the error calculations of the specs.
Specs quoted from manufacturers don't always tell the whole truth, for example ut61e can also measure hertz far higher than what they actually tell in spec.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2014, 09:22:54 am »
I can see why you might want independent specs or performance included in this but these are variable and have nothing to do with what is promised by the manufacturer. One person's experience is not guaranteed in anyway and could mislead someone to buy something based on mistaken results or fanboyism. Maybe a simple index of whether the meters generally meet their spec and build quality would be in order but it would be a horrendously huge task to compile such a meta opinion.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2014, 11:11:45 am »
The latest spreadsheet was updated with a few meters added and also with hyperlinks to each manufacturer's internet site.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2014, 07:21:52 pm »
If I may, only two small points to be corrected IMHO:

1. Fluke 87V does not have LowZ mode
2. Both Fluke 287/289 have InputAlert jack warning
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2014, 07:44:00 pm »
The 32s is very unusual. Input protection is rather strange. A 380VAC fuse on the mA range and a resettable circuit breaker 240VAC/50VDC, combined with a 500VAC fusible link. The AC bandwidth is not great at 1kHz only.
The form factor may suit some people though.
I like it very much, because it has an unique hold feature, it allows to connect the test object, wait for acoustical feedback. The measure is frozen until I drop it.
And the continuity test is incredible fast; about 50ms!
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2014, 07:46:10 pm »
If I may, only two small points to be corrected IMHO:

1. Fluke 87V does not have LowZ mode
2. Both Fluke 287/289 have InputAlert jack warning
Thanks Nermash, corrected.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 08:09:56 pm »
Most of the Gossen meters have that auto hold feature. If the next measurement is very close to the first one (less than 100 digits on the 26S), you get two beeps . If the new measurement is different, only one beep.
The first measurement is used as the reference throughout.

The 32s is only rated CAT II 300V, which is fine for automotive or electronic work.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2014, 08:34:50 pm »
Most of the Gossen meters have that auto hold feature. If the next measurement is very close to the first one (less than 100 digits on the 26S), you get two beeps . If the new measurement is different, only one beep.
The first measurement is used as the reference throughout.

The 32s is only rated CAT II 300V, which is fine for automotive or electronic work.

As this is my first Gossen after 10th of years this was new to me.
I like it!
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 09:07:53 pm »
Uni-T UT71 is rated at 5A continuous ;)
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2014, 09:19:11 pm »
Great work , thanks !  :-+

Although there are many others more, I think these extra specifications are interesting aspect as well, suggesting to add 2 more columns for "Operating" Temperature and Altitude if applicable or stated by the manufacturer.

These are for Fluke :

87 V, 287 and 289 :
Operating Temperature : -20 °C to 55 °C

Operating altitude :
87 V : 2000 m
287 & 289 : 3000 m

Again, just a suggestion.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2014, 09:50:43 pm »
Uni-T UT71 is rated at 5A continuous ;)
Oops, quite right, forgot about that. The 61E too.
Corrected.
Also added Fluke 187 and 189 to the list.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 09:53:40 pm »
Great work , thanks !  :-+
Although there are many others more, I think these extra specifications are interesting aspect as well, suggesting to add 2 more columns for "Operating" Temperature and Altitude if applicable or stated by the manufacturer.
These are for Fluke :
87 V, 287 and 289 :
Operating Temperature : -20 °C to 55 °C
Operating altitude :
87 V : 2000 m
287 & 289 : 3000 m
Again, just a suggestion.
Interesting aspects, but they will only affect a minority of users, so best left out I think, but thanks anyway.
 

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2014, 03:34:56 am »
Maybe a simple index of whether the meters generally meet their spec...

I think this would be great, if say, you don't recognize a Fluke from a whatever... Some indication of general "trustworthiness" would be helpful since I only recognize one to two brands.

I just spent some time doing my home style "calibration". I bought a DMM check and in short, my 30 year old Fluke 8050A's spec'd to be about 0.1% accurate, look to be more like 0.01% accurate after 30 years. Some cheap UEI meters are much newer, and at the edge or just outside their specs of 1%.

 

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2014, 03:42:52 am »
Some indication of general "trustworthiness" would be helpful since I only recognize one to two brands.

If it's new, the meter normally will be delivered together with a calibration certificate.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2014, 07:07:58 am »
Maybe a simple index of whether the meters generally meet their spec...

I think this would be great, if say, you don't recognize a Fluke from a whatever... Some indication of general "trustworthiness" would be helpful since I only recognize one to two brands.

I just spent some time doing my home style "calibration". I bought a DMM check and in short, my 30 year old Fluke 8050A's spec'd to be about 0.1% accurate, look to be more like 0.01% accurate after 30 years. Some cheap UEI meters are much newer, and at the edge or just outside their specs of 1%.
Most of these meters are from reputable companies. Some of them come standard with calibration certificates or as an extra option.
You can generally work on price. The few meters from less well known companies, selling for less than 150$, are the most likely to drift over long periods, as they tend to use cheaper components.
Among those, I can only vouch for the UT71 series, two of which I test regularly. My 61E, unfortunately, didn't fare so well.
Most companies still recommend an annual calibration for their meters.

New file: A few more Fluke meters added to the list.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2014, 07:51:26 am »
Great work , thanks !  :-+

Although there are many others more, I think these extra specifications are interesting aspect as well, suggesting to add 2 more columns for "Operating" Temperature and Altitude if applicable or stated by the manufacturer.

These are for Fluke :

87 V, 287 and 289 :
Operating Temperature : -20 °C to 55 °C

Operating altitude :
87 V : 2000 m
287 & 289 : 3000 m

Again, just a suggestion.


and to the fact that accuracy is not guaranteed outside of 18-28C
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2014, 12:52:13 pm »
Wytnucls, this is a great list!
One remark: the Fluke 179 measures frequencies up to 100kHz in both the VAC and VDC, therefore I have the impression its bandwidth is not 1kHz (despite the manual says the bargraph can't be trusted above 1kHz). Maybe I am wrong?

Also, not much love for the BM857A... Possibly due to price/features?

And what about the DT-830?  :o
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2014, 01:13:33 pm »
I'll do the CEM meters shortly.
Bandwidth is quoted for TRMS accuracy, usually until 1 dB of attenuation. It has nothing to do with the frequency counter.
For instance:




New file being loaded with older Fluke and Yokogawa meters.
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2014, 10:17:17 pm »
Thanks! Learned something today.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2014, 11:41:16 pm »
Nice list, 2 things can be added:

* (configurable) auto off
* dial knob with only off-volt-ohm-amp or with 20+positions (there is some correlation with autorange)
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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2014, 01:28:22 am »
Well one thing that you don't have is manufacturer specified battery running time - as this is handheld list some of the models have really awful running times that I weigh in when comparing models.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2014, 04:04:42 am »
Great!!!

I started a little Fluke file.

Here's what I got so far using your spreadsheet. double check my entries. The accuracy, I am not sure how you entered that.


« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 04:08:43 am by SoundTech-LG »
 

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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2014, 04:14:39 am »
Fluke 115 does not have LowZ mode and it does not have proper jack detection. It only displays "Lead" warningn when you turn the switch to current measurement.
 

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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2014, 04:44:26 am »
Good catch on LowZ. At least it gives you visual warning on the current leads. Maybe a separate column for that?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2014, 05:43:50 am »
Fluke 115 does not have LowZ mode and it does not have proper jack detection. It only displays "Lead" warningn when you turn the switch to current measurement.
It has a LoZ feature for capacitance measurement. The feature may not work for ghost voltage detection though. Fluke still calls it LoZ mode.

Lead warning is just that, but it is an attempt at better safety on the current jacks.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2014, 05:47:44 am »
Great!!!

I started a little Fluke file.

Here's what I got so far using your spreadsheet. double check my entries. The accuracy, I am not sure how you entered that.
I limit the file to meters with a resolution of at least 6000.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2014, 05:54:41 am »
Nice list, 2 things can be added:
* (configurable) auto off
* dial knob with only off-volt-ohm-amp or with 20+positions (there is some correlation with autorange)
Just about all meters in the list have an auto-off feature, except for the 61E. Configurable is nice, but not a major deal breaker.
I have to limit the number of columns to the most relevant information for readability. It is not meant to list all the meter features.
 

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« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2014, 11:30:18 pm »
Latest file uploaded. Added UEI, Ideal, Prova and BK Precision meters and some extra meter information.
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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2014, 01:14:45 pm »
File updated with Mastech, Victor, Vichy and Extech multimeters.
 

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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2014, 05:01:42 pm »
Fluke 115 does not have LowZ mode and it does not have proper jack detection. It only displays "Lead" warningn when you turn the switch to current measurement.

It has a LoZ feature for capacitance measurement. The feature may not work for ghost voltage detection though. Fluke still calls it LoZ mode.

I thought when people talking about DMM's LoZ input "mostly" is for voltage measurement ?

Putting it at LoZ column probably may misleads readers, maybe another extra column for "LoZ Cap" ?
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2014, 05:03:53 pm »
This is a really impressive undertaking Wyt. I will find this extensively useful.

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2014, 10:01:22 pm »
I thought when people talking about DMM's LoZ input "mostly" is for voltage measurement ?
Putting it at LoZ column probably may misleads readers, maybe another extra column for "LoZ Cap"


I can't add too many columns. I will add a note to mark the difference.
 

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« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2014, 09:32:46 pm »
New file uploaded with a few extra meters and duty cycle feature added.
 

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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2014, 02:49:14 pm »
New files with Chauvin Arnoux Metrix multimeters added.
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2014, 07:05:16 pm »
New list with the true RMS V&A multimeters.
http://www.mastech.com.cn/
The Shanghai company seems to have split up from Mastech.
They make a lot of advanced meters, but the quality of assembly was rather shaky in the past. Hopefully things have improved now. To be confirmed.

 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2014, 08:01:07 pm »
Great work! One tiny error I've noticed - Brymen BM867 does have 4-20mA measurement.
 

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« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2014, 11:17:13 pm »
Quite right. Will be updated in the next upload. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2014, 04:56:41 am »
Great works !

A small precision : Metrahit 28S (and some others I think) can be connected to PT100, PT1000, K and J thermocouples.
 

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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2014, 12:55:34 pm »
Yes, 28S and 29S can handle K and J type probes.
18S, 25S and 26S Pt100/1000 only
The listed current Gossen meters can do Pt100/1000 and K type.
Only the 30M has the 4 wire temperature measurement capability.
Will update the file shortly.
 

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« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2014, 11:20:50 am »
Fantastic job!

Technically the BM867 and BM869 both have auto-hold through the record function (i.e. beeps with every new max and min value). So, to auto-hold, just switch to record, take your measurement, wait for the beep, and look at the max (or min) display. Not sure if the others in the BM range have a record function.

Will you be adding a column for frequency measurement and max frequency it can measure? (not to be confused with the AC/TRMS max bandwidth)

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« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2014, 12:49:46 pm »
We could argue till the cows come home about what constitutes a proper auto-hold. Most meters with a Max/Min feature have that work-around too.

All meters have a frequency counter, usually measuring at least 100kHz.
It would be difficult to put a figure on best performance, as they are so many variables and manufacturers don't always list the full spectrum.
It is best to consult each datasheet to get a full understanding of capability.

For instance, Amprobe quotes:

Hz line level:
500mV 100mV 10HZ ~ 200KHZ
5V 1V 10HZ ~ 200KHZ
50V 10V 10HZ ~ 100KHZ
500V 100V 10HZ ~ 100KHZ
1000V 900V 10HZ ~ 10KHZ

Hz Logic Level Frequency
5.0000HZ--2.00000MHZ

%DUTY CYCLE
5HZ -- 500 KHZ, 5V logic family

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« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2014, 06:41:10 am »
Thanks for the table!

Why limit to 6000 count and true RMS?

 

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« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2014, 01:25:40 pm »
For several reasons:
1. True RMS is a must for electronics
2. Meters starting from 6000 count tend to be better made than the plethora of cheap 4000 count or less meters.
3. The field is much reduced from that starting point, making the list easier to manage.
4. I have no interest in lesser meters, with a few exceptions.
5. Starting from a 6000 count means that some of the meters are still affordable for restricted budgets.

It doesn't mean that the meters that don't qualify for the list are all rubbish.

 

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« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2014, 04:36:01 pm »
As suggested by Deckert, I added an extra column with the max frequency for the frequency counter.
Although I was reluctant at first, as most meters can do at least 100 kHz, some go way above that. Interestingly, not necessarily the most expensive ones either.
Anytime a new feature is added, it is a major pain in the backside, as every datasheet has to be revisited.
 

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« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2014, 05:03:10 pm »
Can you also include the Digitek DT-2843R in the list? It's 6000-count and AC+DC TRMS. It is likely the lowest cost AC+DC TRMS meter you can find ($44). Lightages reviewed it on his Youtube channel some time ago.
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« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2014, 05:16:46 pm »
I would have Franky, but it is only a 4,000 count meter, as far as I know, unless there is a new version??
 

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« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2014, 05:59:29 pm »
I would have Franky, but it is only a 4,000 count meter, as far as I know, unless there is a new version??

Oh, my mistake. I got the count missed up with another Digitek I haven't listed in my store yet...It's the DT-2867.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #58 on: March 13, 2014, 06:31:03 pm »
What do you think of adding an "average" column instead of just max/min? I spent quite a bit of time looking for a good meter that had the ability to time average voltage or current in addition to recording max and min. Most (if not all) of the Flukes have it, but for example only the Extech 570 has max/min/averaging capability while the others just measure max/min. Some of the Agilents also have averaging and I'm sure some others do too.

Averaging is desirably for me for measuring low power projects that go into a standby mode most of the time and then wake up and do something quickly then go back to standby. By averaging over several cycles of this, one can estimate average current usage and therefore battery life. This is probably a task better suited for an oscilloscope or other data logger, but I wanted a DMM that could also give me a quick idea.
 

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« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2014, 06:57:45 pm »
Sure. I'll just write A in the Max/Min column for 'Average', instead of a tick. I don't need a new column for that.
 

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« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2014, 04:42:24 pm »
Update the file with Min/Max details. Also added Digitek and DER-EE relevant meters.
The filter spreadsheet has been incorporated into the main listing Excel file, as an extra tab.
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« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2014, 11:07:40 pm »
+1 for the thread: fantastic!
I'm basically still a rookie and because of this, even with the best intentions, I often say bullshit :)
 

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« Reply #62 on: March 15, 2014, 09:47:03 am »
Congratulation, very good collection.
Please add legend for the colors.

One comment for Fluke 187/189.
They have Fast Min-Max mode which is actually the Peak mode:

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In ac measurement functions, MAX and MIN values are
peak values, AVG is the rms value. This provides the
necessary information in one display for calculation of
Crest Factor (peak/rms).
 

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« Reply #63 on: March 15, 2014, 02:44:05 pm »
Absolutely, Fluke called the peak function a fast Max/Min. File will be corrected soon.
Color meaning is spelled out in the introductory text.
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« Reply #64 on: March 15, 2014, 09:43:58 pm »
Added pictures of all  the meters listed


 

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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2014, 10:21:30 am »
Colorful. :)
 

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« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2014, 05:08:57 am »
Brilliant collation of meters. Really helped with refining my decision making process.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2014, 03:13:09 pm »
Which DMM can properly test LEDs, ie light them up and show the voltage? I know some of them only go up to 2.5V and some are 4V.
 

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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2014, 04:06:24 pm »
Is it that hard to find and a 1kohm resistor and some power supply (5v+) in your house?  Just put the led in series with the resistor and measure the voltage drop between the anode and cathode of the led.

 

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« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2014, 05:11:37 pm »
Which DMM can properly test LEDs, ie light them up and show the voltage? I know some of them only go up to 2.5V and some are 4V.

Use http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mini-Handy-LED-Tester-Test-Box-2-150mA-for-Light-emitting-Diode-Bulb-Lamp-E0Xc-/161060901609 for LEDs.
 

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« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2014, 04:02:22 am »
What kind of DUT does Fluke-117 have? I could not find any info.

Fluke's site http://www.fluke.com/fluke/sgen/digital-multimeters/fluke-117.htm?PID=55996 says "VoltAlert™ technology for non-contact voltage detection", "The 117 includes integrated non-contact voltage detection to help get the job done faster." and "Min/Max/Average with elapsed time to record signal fluctuations".

Mine does not have these features. Maybe there is 117 Mk II already?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2014, 07:53:40 pm »
Using Auto Volts Selection (114 & 117 only)
With the function switch in the Auto-V/LoZ volt position, the Meter automatically selects a dc or ac voltage measurement
based on the input applied between the V or + and COM jacks.
 

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« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2014, 09:07:52 pm »
New file with some corrections and new column for AC current bandwidth. Also added details for the Voltcraft meters.
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« Reply #73 on: April 07, 2014, 10:43:11 pm »
New file uploaded with an extra column for highest capacitance (mF) and little known HT Italia DMMs added:
(See 1st post for latest pictures)

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« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2014, 01:16:27 am »
Thanks again for continuing to work on this. Those HT meters all look like rebrands.
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« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2014, 02:25:01 am »
There is a definite connection with Appatech (Ideal), but the specs may be slightly different.
I will also list the Appatech meters for comparison.

Having said that, the HT32 Italia is exactly the same as the Appa 72 and the HT701 is the same as the Appa 607.
The HT401 is closely related to the Ideal 61-486.

Database uploaded with Appa meters details
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« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2014, 03:57:18 pm »
Interestingly, perhaps not surprisingly, based on the spreadsheet parameters only, the best multimeters are the Fluke 287/289 and the Agilent U1272A and the Amprobe AM160.
All the others meters have at least one flaw or a missing feature to keep them away from the top spot.

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« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2014, 04:16:11 pm »
I am a bit lost on how you chose "the best". Could you elaborate? My tired mind can think right now.
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« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2014, 04:19:03 pm »
I am a bit lost on how you chose "the best". Could you elaborate? My tired mind can think right now.
To put it simply, any meter which has an amber box in the list of features is disqualified.
 

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« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2014, 04:37:51 pm »
Wytnucls, any plan to consider to put the dimension and weight ?

For sure one thing I don't like about my 287, its like holding a real brick, bulky & heavy.  :-[
 

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« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2014, 04:38:28 pm »
OK, then I am confused. I do not understand your criteria for what is an acceptable "hold" function. You list all of the Brymens as not passing this function but the AM160 does? It is a rebranded Brymen.
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« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2014, 04:53:02 pm »
Correct. I misread the datasheet for the Amprobe as having auto hold, but it hasn't. So the Amprobe is out too.
 

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« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2014, 04:58:48 pm »
You should revise the UT61E then as having an auto-hold, even if it is undocumented.

I would also not be too hard on meters that don't have an auto-hold feature as long as they have a Min/Max feature that can stand in. It is a bit of a work around but in the random circumstance that you need this function is is good enough. JUST my 2 cents.
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« Reply #83 on: April 08, 2014, 04:59:29 pm »
Wytnucls, any plan to consider to put the dimension and weight ?

For sure one thing I don't like about my 287, its like holding a real brick, bulky & heavy.  :-[

I could, but I don't think weight and dimension is something buyers pay much attention to for electronic work, as it is usually done on the bench. One would get a fair idea from the pictures in the first post anyway.
 

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« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2014, 05:09:37 pm »
You should revise the UT61E then as having an auto-hold, even if it is undocumented.

I would also not be too hard on meters that don't have an auto-hold feature as long as they have a Min/Max feature that can stand in. It is a bit of a work around but in the random circumstance that you need this function is is good enough. JUST my 2 cents.
I agree, but it would be a real headache if I have to search for undocumented features and work-arounds. I prefer to stick to the published datasheet as the major reference.
 

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« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2014, 06:49:20 pm »
One needs to be aware that a majority of meters don't auto-range in Max/Min mode. You may have to manually select the correct range first before capturing the readings, as an auto-hold substitute. There is also no aural warning when the reading has been captured.

As for the 61E, pressing the Hold button for 2 seconds, activates a 5 second delay before the reading is frozen. No new reading capture is possible until a Hold reset is performed.
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« Reply #86 on: April 09, 2014, 01:50:56 am »
Yes you are right it is not a true auto-hold but the utility is almost the same.

I understand you can't take the time to chase all the undocumented features nor the alternative ways of making a function work. I do think that picking auto-hold as an almost essential feature is a personal preference as well as a PC connection. They are nice to have but don't make or break a meter's usefulness.

I understand the amount of work you have put into this and I appreciate it very much. It is helpful for newbees to know that some of the choices for your ratings are more personal than universal.

Thanks again for the hard work.
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« Reply #87 on: April 09, 2014, 11:07:43 am »
We could debate which multimeter functions are important until the cows come home.
The second page of the spreadsheet file is all set for filtering, where people can narrow the field down, based on their preferences, to eventually find their perfect instrument.
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« Reply #88 on: April 09, 2014, 12:11:04 pm »
The cows are home, don't worry. ;) I agree with you that all the details are not worth arguing over. That's what was trying to say in my poorly phrased way.
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« Reply #89 on: April 12, 2014, 05:47:24 pm »
Thanks for the spreadsheet.
Only a correction: Brymen BM257 has 2 AAA batteries ( and runtime should be 300h )
 

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« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2014, 06:41:46 pm »
Thanks, list updated.
I have also added a column for conductance (nS) and burden voltage (when published) as a comment under the uA label.
(burden voltage for lowest uA and mA ranges)
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« Reply #91 on: April 15, 2014, 06:19:02 am »
File update with a column for diode open voltage. Shout if you spot any mistakes.
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« Reply #92 on: April 15, 2014, 07:28:19 am »
Thank you!  :-+
 

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« Reply #93 on: April 15, 2014, 12:27:36 pm »
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We could debate which multimeter functions are important until the cows come home.
The second page of the spreadsheet file is all set for filtering, where people can narrow the field down, based on their preferences, to eventually find their perfect instrument.

Do you have some links to more information on the latest safety regulations regarding DMM's? I didn't want to post in the other sales thread as we have gone a bit off topic there.
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« Reply #94 on: April 15, 2014, 02:54:48 pm »
The latest regulations (the 3rd edition of EN61010) date from 2010. They were discussed previously when Dave posted some extracts here. It is difficult to obtain the full document on the internet, without parting with a hefty chunk of money.
What has changed recently is that the old second edition is obsolete in Europe, since 1st October 2013 and any new meter for sale now as to comply with the 3rd edition.

In a nutshell, the CAT rating has to be consistent throughout the meter. It affects mostly the current inputs, as the fuses have to be of the HRC type and match the highest CAT voltage. The testing is more stringent on the current jacks, doubling the testing voltage.
Creepage and clearance tolerances have increased too, affecting traces and component placement.

http://www.tracglobal.com/blog/en-61010-12010-now-mandatory
http://www.ul.com/global/ita/pages/offerings/industries/healthsciences/ul61010/
http://www.exveritas.com/en-61010-12001-withdrawn-from-lvd/
http://www.iec-normen.de/217253/iec-61010-2-030-2010-06-ed-1-0-zweisprachig.html

Fluke was certifying products in accordance with the new regulations in 2012:
http://assets.fluke.com/manuals/15B-17B_1beng0000.pdf
http://issaberdeen.co.uk/Fluke/Digital_Multimeters/General_Purpose/Fluke_77_IV_Series_Digital_Multimeter/Manuals_and_Datasheets/77IV__175__177__179_CSA_Certificate_of_Conformity/3126
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« Reply #95 on: April 15, 2014, 09:43:59 pm »
Heard from Brymen that the BM867s is now available with UL listing, is conforming with the latest safety directives and has the CE logo.
Not sure what the new CAT rating is though.
Hopefully, Amprobe has or will do the same with the AM-140

UL Listing:
Digital multimeters, Model(s) BM201F, BM201X, BM202XF, BM202XX, BM251s, BM252s, BM255s, BM257s, BM521s, BM525s, BM682*, BM685*, BM821s, BM822s, BM827s, BM829s, BM867s, BM869s, BM905AEs, BM905s, BM906AEs, BM906s, BM907AEs, BM907s

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=PICQ.E204990&ccnshorttitle=Measuring,+Testing+and+Signal-generation+Equipment&objid=1074560747&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073991173&sequence=1
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« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2014, 12:43:00 am »
This is an extract of the manual of my new Brymen BM257s ( it is the unit sold by Mimmus )
 

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« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2014, 06:54:07 pm »
Thanks, 3 CAT ratings now  :o:
CAT II 1000V
CAT III 600V
CAT V 300V

Most manufacturers only mention 2 CAT ratings on their meters, based on the highest transient tested for.
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« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2014, 07:41:15 am »
Interesting article about multimeter ADCs and the different methods used to measure voltage:
1. SAR (Successive approximation register)
2. V to F ( Voltage to Frequency)
3. Dual slope - Most Cyrustek machines, like UNI-T 61/71 and FLIR DM93.
4. Sigma Delta - Fluke 179 and probably most other Fluke meters.

http://www.mccdaq.com/PDFs/specs/Analog-to-Digital.pdf
 

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« Reply #99 on: April 21, 2014, 07:55:16 am »
Here is a Chinese manufacturer (All-Sun) I hadn't heard of, even though they have been making some well-known low-cost meters for years:

http://www.all-sun.com/EN/p.aspx?px=1

Some interesting instruments in the line up, the best ones are UL and GS listed.




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« Reply #100 on: April 30, 2014, 09:58:19 am »
It's probably beyond the scope of this spreadsheet, but it would be nice in the PC column to differentiate DMM's with free software for logging vs those which will cost you another $200 (Fluke). If this is a feature you need, this can unexpectedly add a great deal to your total price.

Perhaps just a note in the PC column at the top of each manufacturer such as "Software is an additional $...".


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« Reply #101 on: April 30, 2014, 10:17:45 am »
It is there already, under 'Kit', next to the PC column, with a tick in green for free software and USB/RS232/BT DMM connection.
What I could do is insert the price of the software and cable in the 'Kit' column, when it has to be purchased separately.
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« Reply #102 on: May 06, 2014, 07:13:44 am »
Column headings are explained in the notes found on the first heading row.
In this case: Bar graph, Max/Min, 4-20 mA current loop and non-contact high voltage detection.
 
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« Reply #103 on: May 23, 2014, 09:40:12 am »
FWIW there seem to be a bunch of errors in the Fluke 87V specs that are shown in the spreadsheet and spreadsheet image (e.g. 6k rather than the actual 20counts etc, V DC resolution, uA DC resolution). Probably because the Fluke website lists a number of these incorrectly (I'm going by the values reported in the manual)
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« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2014, 05:54:26 pm »
The Fluke 87V is a 6000 count multimeter, with a high res mode of 20,000 count.
The published accuracy figures are based on the core 6,000 mode, as they don't improve in high resolution mode. (Fluke manual May 2004).
Resolution does improve in the 20,000 count mode, but I'm not sure to what extent, as I don't own the meter.
What I will do, is list the published figures for the 6,000 mode, to avoid any confusion:

mVDC resolution 100uV Accuracy 0.05%+1 (0.1%+1 on mV range)
uA resolution 100uA

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« Reply #105 on: May 26, 2014, 01:44:12 am »
Sanwa PC7000 has 500000 count hi-res mode
 

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« Reply #106 on: May 29, 2014, 06:37:03 pm »
The high res mode is noted in the spreadsheet already. Just hover with the mouse over the count cell.
 

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« Reply #107 on: June 02, 2014, 10:17:36 pm »
I have compiled a list of the most popular bench multimeters. The meters should have a count of at least 5 1/2 and be able to measure currents. The most important DMM features are listed. Shout if you spot any mistakes or if you think additional features should be mentioned.
Codes: RJ (Rear Jacks) Pk (Peak) Cn (continuity) Clk (Clock) ExT (External trigger) D (Delay) S (Samples) Mc ( Measurement complete) Tr (Trend plot) Ma (Math) P/F (pass/Fail)


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« Reply #108 on: June 03, 2014, 08:18:59 am »
Nice work. Since you added the flukes Any plan on adding other older models such as the Agilent 3468, Keithley 196 or 199, etc.

Also, maybe dBm measurement column? Some people care, some don't. Still a GREAT reference.
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« Reply #109 on: June 05, 2014, 04:17:09 pm »
Love the new bench section - great work. Looks like you're missing the 3458a (not exactly a common piece of equipment if course)
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« Reply #110 on: June 07, 2014, 03:44:27 am »
Updated version of the bench meter list.
Most of the math functions are listed now.
Math functions:
Z Zero/Null
B dB, dBm
X mX+b
O Offset
R Ratio/Relative
Statistics:
M Min/Max
A Average
D Standard Deviation


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« Reply #111 on: June 12, 2014, 06:22:32 am »
Very well done. Might want to include a channels option or something. The Keithley 199 is technically an 8 channel meter.
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« Reply #112 on: June 12, 2014, 03:14:24 pm »
What a great spreadsheet!, thanks!

Just a couple of comments regarding the HP3478A bemch meter:
1. It has HP-IB (GPIB)
2. Regarding the accuracy - it seems you are quoting the"old" specs, the accuracy specs were improved (for any meter with a serial number greater than 2520A22585) you can see the new specs in the "new" brochure here: http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_3468A_B.pdf and the "new" operators manual : http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_SM_Rev2.pdf

The best accuracy, for this revision, is 0.006% of reading + 2 digits (for the 3V range)
I do not know how to show this in the spreadsheet, perhaps you can add a comment on the specs cell?

Thanks again!
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« Reply #113 on: June 13, 2014, 04:37:23 am »
Very nice work!
A small corrrection; the Brymen 82X -series all have dual display (most, but not all modes are dual display on my 827).

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« Reply #114 on: June 13, 2014, 06:52:06 am »
Correct, I will modify the Brymen entries on the next update. Thanks for the input.
 

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« Reply #115 on: June 13, 2014, 07:13:02 am »
What a great spreadsheet!, thanks!

Just a couple of comments regarding the HP3478A bemch meter:
1. It has HP-IB (GPIB)
2. Regarding the accuracy - it seems you are quoting the"old" specs, the accuracy specs were improved (for any meter with a serial number greater than 2520A22585) you can see the new specs in the "new" brochure here: http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_3468A_B.pdf and the "new" operators manual : http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/HP_Agilent/HP_3478A_Multimeter/HP_3478A_SM_Rev2.pdf

The best accuracy, for this revision, is 0.006% of reading + 2 digits (for the 3V range)
I do not know how to show this in the spreadsheet, perhaps you can add a comment on the specs cell?

Thanks again!
Ran

Quite right, HP-IB is indeed GPIB. I will also add a note to quote your comments on accuracy of later meters.
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« Reply #116 on: June 13, 2014, 07:19:47 am »
Very well done. Might want to include a channels option or something. The Keithley 199 is technically an 8 channel meter.

Might do that later. It seems that most of those channel scanners were optional though, and thus possibly quite rare. Thanks for the info.
 

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« Reply #117 on: June 13, 2014, 08:38:06 am »
Very well done. Might want to include a channels option or something. The Keithley 199 is technically an 8 channel meter.

Might do that later. It seems that most of those channel scanners were optional though, and thus possibly quite rare. Thanks for the info.
That is quite possible.  Both of the meters I have came with the scanner card.  They were purchased as is stock from a company. So I'm not sure how rare or not they are.
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« Reply #118 on: June 13, 2014, 04:30:22 pm »
it's very sexy now.

you've got the 3478 and the 3468, but why not 3457 or 3456, they're fairly common as well.
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« Reply #119 on: June 13, 2014, 07:47:29 pm »
I thought the half-rack size meters were more versatile, but I'll list those two anyway, as there is still a demand for them.
The 3456 looks mean, but doesn't measure currents.
 

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« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2014, 04:35:11 am »
New file with a few more meters, some extra feature details and some corrections.


 

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« Reply #121 on: June 18, 2014, 01:43:39 am »
Hi Everyone, I bought a PCE-PDM 1 Multimeter for a few weeks and found it was a good instrument, all the offers they have there are pretty good, just thought I´d say because I never found it in the spreadshhet? :)
 

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« Reply #122 on: June 18, 2014, 03:28:11 am »
4000 count pen type, not TRMS, made by CEM in China (DT-3219).

 

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« Reply #123 on: June 26, 2014, 09:07:28 pm »
A few extra bench meters



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« Reply #124 on: July 06, 2014, 08:55:04 am »
Didn't notice input impedance in the spreadsheet. Probably not necessary since all mm are 10Mohms? Just guessing.
 

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« Reply #125 on: July 06, 2014, 01:56:21 pm »
Didn't notice input impedance in the spreadsheet. Probably not necessary since all mm are 10Mohms? Just guessing.
Actually many bench meters can have input impedance in the gigaohm range. The problem is unlike handheld meters, the impedance often varies based on the input range. For example, the Keithley 199 has >1 Gigaohm for its lowest two ranges dropping to  10 Megaohms in the 300V range. This would be hard for him to include in the spreadsheet.
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« Reply #126 on: July 06, 2014, 02:12:45 pm »
Agreed on the bench meters. For example, a 3458A has a >10Gohm impedance up through the 10V range. This is different on the ACV readings.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #127 on: July 11, 2014, 09:36:24 am »
Hello Group,

I am looking for a low cost DMM to purchase in quantity (100 to 200 units). It has to have at a minimum the following features:

Resistance (direct reading) to 1000 Megohms (1G Ohm) minimum, 2G Ohm would be perfect.
Capacitance to 200nF (20 and 200nF range okay.

It should have DCV. AC and current not required. CAT III/IV not required.

It seems that I can find plenty that have 200 Megohm range.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 

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« Reply #128 on: July 11, 2014, 10:18:21 am »
Few multimeters have a resistance range above 50MOhm. Some go up to 500MOhm, but accuracy drops dramatically to about 10%.

It seems that you're looking for cheap insulation meters, but while they might have a high resistance range and do voltages, capacitance measurement would be rare on such instruments.
I suggest you open a new thread with your request to get broader advice.
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« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2014, 10:31:34 am »
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« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2014, 10:46:33 am »
Siglent have bench meters now as well. Only Chinese page so far... http://siglent.com/cn/product/detail2.aspx?id=100000003069375&nodecode=105008002
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« Reply #131 on: July 11, 2014, 11:27:11 am »
Thanks, will be listed at next update.
 

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« Reply #132 on: July 11, 2014, 11:59:21 am »
Siglent have bench meters now as well. Only Chinese page so far... http://siglent.com/cn/product/detail2.aspx?id=100000003069375&nodecode=105008002
Description from my price list:
 5½?digit; 150rdgs / s measurement speed; 4.3 inch (480 * 272) true color TFT?LCD screen
display; True RMS AC voltage and AC current measurements
RRP US$439 plus taxes if any.
I have asked Siglent to post more info in this thread for the spreadsheet.
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« Reply #133 on: July 11, 2014, 08:43:25 pm »
@Wytnucls
I have put together a doc with the Siglent SDM3055 general specs and links to more info.
Do I PM them to you?
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« Reply #134 on: July 11, 2014, 09:58:42 pm »
Post it here or start a new thread, as it may be of interest to potential buyers. I will pick the relevant bits for the spreadsheet later.
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« Reply #135 on: July 12, 2014, 10:25:30 am »
@Wytnucls
I have put together a doc with the Siglent SDM3055 general specs and links to more info.
Do I PM them to you?
After some study, I found a thread introducing the SDM3000 series back in May.
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-siglent-3000-series-dmm/msg451102/#msg451102

The SDM3055 & 3055A are at this stage pre-release to Western markets and the only official documentation available is in Chinese.
There is quite a lot of info that can be extracted from that on line, including the datasheet.

But until full English specs are available and Western market release is imminent it is not appropriate to post anything here other than full English specs as it would degrade Wytnucls fine work.  :-+

So as I have been offered a pre-release unit as a Siglent distributor, a new thread and possible teardown seems a good option.
I don't own a bench meter so I am very tempted.  :-DMM
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #136 on: July 12, 2014, 02:06:30 pm »
This UNI-T UT533 is probably one of the cheapest ones available that fits your requirements:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UT533-Insulation-Resistance-Multimeters-up-to-1000V-2G-/380137141736?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5881f075e8

http://www.uni-trend.com/UT533.html



Hello,

I am not looking for an HV type insulation meter but a LV type. The product that I am testing can not stand HV.

I was using the Minipa ET2080B or C model which had a 2G Ohm range and was amazingly accurate in all respects but I can no longer get the manufacturer to even talk to me about selling me more units. It seems that they are only interested in selling thousands of them.

I have found the Victor VC88C to be the exact same meter with their logo on it but I can not get them to sell me under 200 pieces. I can find plenty the go to 60 to 200M but none other than the two mentioned to 2 G Ohms.

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« Reply #137 on: July 12, 2014, 02:42:54 pm »
One solution would be to use 2 meters. A UNI-T UT601 for high resistance (2GOhm) and capacitance and any 'el cheapo' DMM for voltages.
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« Reply #138 on: July 31, 2014, 02:33:15 pm »
What a fantastic spreadsheet Wytnucls!  I’ve been looking at specs and video reviews on 6 ½ digit DMMs for the last 4 days, looking to buy one and this document lays all the specs out in a plain to understand format.  Thank You!

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« Reply #139 on: August 08, 2014, 10:50:07 pm »
Awsome  :-+

It would be nice if we have this kind of spreadsheets for other test equipment.
I think that I may start one for clamp meters. Hopefully I will have time for this.

 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #140 on: August 12, 2014, 03:46:38 am »

I do have a concrete task. I want measure the (unwanted) peaks on output while switching on and off a Power supply.
I do have a Voltmeter which can measure 10 times/sec max and logs into Flatfile.
So far so good.
I wonder how many money I must spent to buy an faster Multimeter.
The excel sheet is very great and growing all the time, but this Information is lacking.
Because it's very seldom printed in the manuals, isn't it?

As I do not need very precise Measure I guess building it myself with an MC of my choice would be wiser?!
 

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« Reply #141 on: August 12, 2014, 04:05:52 am »
The peak transient time is in my spreadsheet, if it is published in the datasheet.
It is normally quoted for a single event and a repetitive event.
Unfortunately, very few manufacturers publish the figures.

Usually, a single event needs to last for at least 1mS to register and multiple transients, for a minimum of 250uS.
Strangely, the UNI-T UT-71D, which I own, can capture short transients of 10uS. I don't know of any others.
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« Reply #142 on: August 12, 2014, 06:01:19 am »
Ok, found it THANX for this awesome work
 

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« Reply #143 on: August 12, 2014, 07:33:27 am »
Actually, the Brymens also have a quoted response time for peak and recording. 1ms for the Brymen 52X and 86X on "Crest" and 5ms for Min/Max. The BM525 can record samples per second and up to 87,000 readings.
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« Reply #144 on: August 19, 2014, 01:02:33 am »
It would also be nice to include in the spreadsheet is the continuity latched or unlatched, that information is not in the user manuals and is very useful. Btw I prefer fast unlatched like on the Brymen 869.
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« Reply #145 on: August 21, 2014, 03:15:01 am »
It would be nice, but the information is not usually published by the manufacturer. When it is, I will include it in a note in the mOhm column.
 

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« Reply #146 on: August 23, 2014, 01:55:23 am »
I wonder if this spreadsheet in addition to being able to download it as an attacment, if it can be loaded into google docs, then it would be just one click away.
 

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« Reply #147 on: August 23, 2014, 03:57:05 am »
great, thanks

BTW:
- what is the meaning of gray colour ? there are cells with "X" with and without gray background.
- what is the meaning of red/pink color ?
 

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« Reply #148 on: August 23, 2014, 04:18:00 am »
X means a missing feature. When highlighted grey, it is an important missing feature.
X without highlight is less important and could also mark an optional feature.
X with amber highlight means an essential feature is missing.
Magenta color for unknown parameters.
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« Reply #149 on: August 23, 2014, 05:06:48 am »
could we please put all these explanations about colors and x-es into the comment of the a  "Legend" (e.g, on insert empty row at the beginning and "A" cell make "Legend"

I would personally welcome a column about "input protection/safty", somewhat subjective but better than nothing, unless all > 6000 count meters have more than adequate input protection, one could make comments about each meter input protection like PTC, MOV and other burn tests like @lightages did to some meters he tested.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #150 on: August 23, 2014, 03:26:28 pm »
Here is the latest Google doc file with a legend:

Warning: These highlights reflect personal preferences and may not align with someone else's requirements.

CAT ratings are not that important for electronics work, which is the main interest.
Independent professional testing is required to confirm that meters comply with regulations.
Regardless, fuse voltage ratings are listed in the database and also CAT ratings for selected meters.
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« Reply #151 on: September 04, 2014, 03:13:49 am »
Updated file with a few additional meters and some extra features listed:
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« Reply #152 on: September 12, 2014, 10:49:17 pm »
Great work!! Congrats!

I want to buy a bench DMM and this excel file is a life saver for me!

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« Reply #153 on: September 16, 2014, 07:39:46 pm »
Has anybody got the manual for the 50,000 count Transcat 65023MM? I struggled to find much info about it. It looks like a dumbed down version of a Yokogawa meter and sells for about 300$.

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« Reply #154 on: September 20, 2014, 08:09:59 pm »
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #155 on: September 21, 2014, 01:48:37 am »
Minipa of Brazil has been acquired by UNI-T:

http://www.uni-trend.com.cn/en/news/2014_0901_964.html

http://www.minipa.com.br/

Wow, Uni-T making some big moves

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« Reply #156 on: September 21, 2014, 04:41:25 am »
I just hope they improve the quality and safety of the multimeters, most of them don't have 10 amps fuse, lets see if this is good or not...
still using my oldie Motech MIC 2200A, got sold to BK precision, only the multimeter part
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« Reply #157 on: September 21, 2014, 07:19:37 am »
You haven't include Picotest (https://www.picotest.com/products_index.html) in your list. They are the OEM of Keithley, I believe
 

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« Reply #158 on: September 21, 2014, 08:27:42 am »
Thanks, hadn't heard of them. Will be included shortly.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #159 on: September 24, 2014, 07:37:51 am »
Hi, I'm new here. Great spreadsheet!

A comment - it shows the Fluke 87V as having dB capability. I have an 87V and I'm sure it doesn't do any form of decibel measurement, so I think this is a mistake.

A question - can anyone recommend a cheapish DMM that can measure dBu or dBm ? I was thinking of the Amprobe 37XR, but that only goes down to -13dBm. I really need something with a bit more sensitivity - -20dBm at least, preferably -30 or -40. It could be a discontinued model that is readily available.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #160 on: September 24, 2014, 08:05:22 am »
Thanks, main database corrected for the 87 V.
What do you consider cheapish and where do you live?
The Fluke 185 aka Tektronix TX3 does -74/+60 on dB and dBm but is hard to find.
The Fluke 87 IV  does -52/+60 dB. The Gossen 18S has similar specs.
The cheap Digitek 80000R does -80/+80 dBm.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #161 on: September 25, 2014, 01:26:55 am »
Hi, I'm in England. Cheapish is less than, say, GBP 150. Thanks for the suggestions, I'm also thinking of a used Fluke 187 / 189 as they are easy to find.

Sorry to give you more work but if you have a moment, could you add the Agilent / Keysight 1253 and 1273 models. The spreadsheet must be a huge task and it's much appreciated.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #162 on: September 25, 2014, 01:40:06 am »
1253B and 1273A/AX were lumped together with equivalent models as they mostly differ by screen type. Any difference is annotated in the relevant cell.
 

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« Reply #163 on: September 25, 2014, 06:04:09 am »
Sorry, I missed that. What awful battery life those OLED models have!
 

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« Reply #164 on: September 27, 2014, 09:41:10 pm »
The U1253b battery is a LiPo rechargeable,  the oled display I really like,  easy to read from all angles and I tend to reach for the Agilent U1253b in preference over the fluke 87v.
A huge thanks to Wytnucls for keeping this great resource going.
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Whoah! Watch where that landed we might need it later.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #165 on: September 30, 2014, 10:10:24 am »
Updated DMM pictures:



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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #166 on: November 04, 2014, 05:34:05 am »
Hi guys, I've registered ther just to report one thing: Uni-T UT171A price in spreadsheet is WAYYY off, I've been searching for that one because it looks kinda stuffed with options for "just 60 bucks" and you know what? It is available only on Alibaba (not even AliExpress,) I've been quoted (1 unit) whooping US$233 + $40 shipping to EU + no taxes and duties included. That $60 looks wrong for that amout of features even for a bulk order!
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #167 on: November 04, 2014, 06:06:03 am »
140$ on taobao too, still a bit shy of 60$.
 

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« Reply #168 on: November 04, 2014, 06:16:14 am »
That 60$ price was just tentative, as the only quote I could find was wholesale.
There is still very little information about the 171 series and I'm not even sure it is officially on sale yet.
The 181A sells for 240$ on Taobao, so 233$ for the 171A sounds quite excessive.
 

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« Reply #169 on: November 12, 2014, 02:40:25 pm »
Hey new to the site o/.
Looking for a review on the DT-9919. There is a version on ebay (Link below) at the moment for $99 from gastools, not sure if it is worth it. It does have ceramic fuses, (500mA and 10A)
Now that i think about it, the front cover has "Fused Max 400mA" but uses a 500mA. Odd?

http://s9.postimg.org/hcn8v6a1r/dt9919_Cover.png
http://s24.postimg.org/c4651f7qt/dt9919_fuses.png

It also states Cat4 @ 600V, but not sure i trust it?

can anyone clarify please?

Link to site:  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DIGITAL-MULTIMETER-PRO-ELECTRICIANS-TESTER-WATERPROOF-AUTO-RANGE-/111205371704?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item19e45b4f38
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #170 on: November 12, 2014, 06:38:39 pm »
Looking for a review on the DT-9919.
The DT-9919 has some family roots with the Extech EX505 (eevblog #99 - $100 shootout) and this photo teardown

http://mrmodemhead.com/blog/gallery/craftsman-82003/

With the supplied ebay picture, I highlighted some dodgy soldering which could affect the functionality of the meter long term.

R40 looks hand soldered.

There is no solder on the right leg of C13.

The capacitors by the white jumper cable are all hand soldered and are barely holding onto their pads.  What happens with one drop of the multimeter?

IC5 and IC6 look hand soldered with big blobs of solder on the legs.  Cold joints?

The negative battery terminal has solder covering half the contacts?  Oops?

The insulation on the COM terminal is pretty short and fairly close to that standup power resistor?

It looks like none of the flux has been cleaned off.

If this were me, I would keep looking for other options.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #171 on: December 08, 2014, 05:39:07 am »
was mastech a part of yihua? or the other way around ?

http://www.mastech.com.cn/html/en/products-va38.htm

in amazon, the va38 is hot red color ! lol
http://www.amazon.com/VA38-True-Digital-Multimeter-Interface/dp/B000Y95URA
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #173 on: December 08, 2014, 08:52:49 am »
This is a fantastic resource!  I really appreciate all that it takes to compile and maintain a list like this.  As I zero in on my decision, I want to be sure that I truly have this correct...
I get the difference between Accuracy and Precision, so we don't need to go there.  But I notice on some of the higher end units (50,000 counts at .02% + 2 digits), it seems like the precision exceeds the accuracy.
So if I measure 5 volts, it should show as 5.0000 (that would be th 50,000 counts of precision - correct?)  .02% would then be +/- .001 V (ignoring the +2 digits for now).  If I am correct to this point, then the last digit exceeds the accuracy of the device.  Am I thinking of this correctly?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #174 on: December 08, 2014, 09:28:12 am »
This compilation is awesome! Thanks a lot!

There are no Bench Multimeters from UNI-T in the list. The UT803, UT804 and UT805. Are they discontinued?
The UT805 changed a little bit over time, at least the display got a redesign. But it doesn't look like UNI-T is putting much work in this line of their products. Do you know more?

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #175 on: December 08, 2014, 10:11:25 pm »
I overlooked the UNI-T UT805A, which has a respectable 200,000 count.
Here is the updated spreadsheet:
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #176 on: December 08, 2014, 10:28:03 pm »
This is a fantastic resource!  I really appreciate all that it takes to compile and maintain a list like this.  As I zero in on my decision, I want to be sure that I truly have this correct...
I get the difference between Accuracy and Precision, so we don't need to go there.  But I notice on some of the higher end units (50,000 counts at .02% + 2 digits), it seems like the precision exceeds the accuracy.
So if I measure 5 volts, it should show as 5.0000 (that would be th 50,000 counts of precision - correct?)  .02% would then be +/- .001 V (ignoring the +2 digits for now).  If I am correct to this point, then the last digit exceeds the accuracy of the device.  Am I thinking of this correctly?
I'm not sure I understand your post. Accuracy is never better than resolution. In your 50,000 resolution example, the accuracy of 0.02%+2, means that your 5V reading could be anywhere between 5.0012V and 4.9988V and still be within specs.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #177 on: December 09, 2014, 02:32:15 pm »

I'm not sure I understand your post. Accuracy is never better than resolution. In your 50,000 resolution example, the accuracy of 0.02%+2, means that your 5V reading could be anywhere between 5.0012V and 4.9988V and still be within specs.
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Thanks for that.  I expected (naively...) that the last digit would be where the uncertainty would lie.  I am not an engineer, so I often make assumptions that are not correct.  Your answer confirms my statement that the last digit of precision exceeds the accuracy.  That is probably not the right way to say it, but now I understand what I am looking at when given the resolution and accuracy specs.
I don't really need .02% for the hobbyist things that I do, but it would be orders of magnitude better than anything I have ever owned, and for my purposes, would act like a standard against which to check my other gear.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #178 on: December 09, 2014, 03:08:24 pm »
Accuracy is never better than resolution.

resolution is cheaper than accuracy.

I had an old fluke kelvin varley vacuum tube volt meter with its 49,999 count resistor divider..
interesting.. for certain. but i can measure microvolts with a 4$ digital scale today.

but can i do better than a weston cell voltage standard?
really good question. i was able to measure my weston cell (my version of the fluke differential vacuum tube volt meter came with it internally) back in 2010 to a 1.0186mV with +/- .1mV but that's not really a sufficiently solid datapoint is it...
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #179 on: December 25, 2014, 06:41:36 pm »
The GW Instek GDM-461 look very similar and has very similar (identical?) specs to the UNI-T UT61E but has 1000V fuses according to the manual.

Costs ~$100.  Might be a good buy to get those specs with better input protection?
 

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« Reply #180 on: December 26, 2014, 06:09:25 pm »
Nice work and this is a nit: HP 3478a has GPIB, I have two; HP 3468a doesn't. 
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #181 on: December 26, 2014, 08:25:03 pm »
Correct, the HP3468A/B has a HP-IL interface instead of HP-IB. Database will be corrected accordingly.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #182 on: January 02, 2015, 10:12:13 am »
there could be an error in the chart re brymen 857 (maybe applies to 859 too?) in the diode voltage. if i am reading the spec correctly, it is 3.5v ?  :-//
http://www.tme.eu/html/EN/professional-digital-multimeters-bm857a/ramka_7055_EN_pelny.html
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #183 on: January 02, 2015, 01:55:29 pm »
Yes, you're right. Probably confused with the 5 volt range while reading in a hurry. Will be corrected in the next edition. Thanks.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #184 on: January 07, 2015, 03:14:53 am »
The table shows UT139C voltage bandwidth as 10kHz, the manuals say 1kHz. Did someone confirm it to work higher?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #185 on: January 07, 2015, 03:19:40 am »
Haven't updated the spreadsheet on page 1 for a while.
Check the latest one:
« Last Edit: May 10, 2017, 08:19:06 am by Wytnucls »
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #186 on: January 07, 2015, 07:25:03 am »
Thanks.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #187 on: January 12, 2015, 09:03:22 pm »
Some Fluke app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf
2. ABCs of multimeter safety http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF
4. Why true RMS http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter? http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf
8. Testing your test leads http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF
11. Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety? http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #188 on: January 13, 2015, 06:45:00 am »
Some Fluke app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf
2. ABCs of multimeter safety http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF
4. Why true RMS http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter? http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf
8. Testing your test leads http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF
11. Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety? http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf
Would it be better to embed these links in the first post?
Easy to find then.  ;)
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #189 on: January 13, 2015, 07:46:00 pm »
Yeah, was meant to do that. Anyway, it's done now. Thanks for the reminder. Still need to update the front tables (Done).
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #190 on: January 14, 2015, 04:36:50 am »
Some Fluke app notes to help you choose a multimeter:
1. ABCs of DMMs - Multimeter features and functions explained http://media.fluke.com/documents/2100079_6003_ENG_C_W.pdf
2. ABCs of multimeter safety http://media.fluke.com/documents/1263690_6003_ENG_J_W.PDF
3. Dual impedance digital multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2718074_0000_ENG_B_W.PDF
4. Why true RMS http://media.fluke.com/documents/1260729_0000_ENG_E_W.PDF
5. How robust is your handheld multimeter? http://media.fluke.com/documents/4100693_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF
6. Multimeter measurements on variable frequency drives http://media.fluke.com/documents/3291974_0000_ENG_A_W.PDF
7. Ten dumb things smart people do when testing electricity http://media.fluke.com/documents/2071940_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf
8. Testing your test leads http://media.fluke.com/documents/3185695_6003_ENG_A_W.pdf
9. How to use Fast/Peak Min/Max on your DMM http://media.fluke.com/documents/2722845_6116_ENG_A_W.PDF
10. Understanding specifications for precision multimeters http://media.fluke.com/documents/2547797_6203_ENG_B_W.PDF
11. Who sets the rules for electrical testing and safety? http://media.fluke.com/documents/2173075_6003_ENG_B_W.pdf

Thanks for these and your excellent excel file. Much appreciated!
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #191 on: January 19, 2015, 03:49:10 pm »
Few small corrections: Keithley 2001 and 2002 do not have RS232. DB9 is digital portm not serial
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #192 on: January 19, 2015, 05:36:03 pm »
Indeed. Will correct database in next edition. Thanks.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #193 on: January 27, 2015, 02:08:24 pm »
gotta tag this thread to view in more detail later.. looks very interesting. thanks for sharing.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #194 on: February 01, 2015, 11:11:20 am »
@Wytnucls
The spreadsheet is far from being easy to read. The 'legend' on top is very ambiguous. For instance, what is the difference between "Important missing feature" and "Essential missing feature" ?? Just semantics. What objective criteria used to separate them? 10000 counts is an " Essential missing feature"? According to who? According to what?

A beginner trying to choose a multimeter will have a hard time deciphering the abbreviations in the table header (Count AC+ BW DUT Volt Accuracy uA A bw m? nS/M? pF mF Dio ?Hz % W T° PC Kit Int Log Clock Disp Light 'I'''I' M/m Peak Hld dB LoZ VFD Evt Batt Life F G E Pwr Jack Fuse P/F 4-20 NCV Price). You should insert comments to all of them on every sheet.

The colors: What objective criteria is used to differentiate it from a white cell?

The stars: Very generic classification, based only on brand.

The spreadsheet might have a meaning to you, but you don't seem to know how to make it easy to understand at a glance and useful to somebody other than you.



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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #195 on: February 01, 2015, 06:12:00 pm »
Like Dave says often, it is hard to please everybody. I spent a lot of time putting all this together. Initially, it was for my own use. I decided to publish it when I realized it could be useful to someone else too.
Of course, the listing is biased to reflect my preferences for an ideal multimeter, based on my experience. It may not always coincide with your desires. Just ignore all the cell coloring in that case.
Unfortunately, there is no other free database that I'm aware of, unless you decide to make a better one, with your own biases.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #196 on: February 02, 2015, 04:09:11 am »
I'll answer some of your criticisms for the benefit of all users:

'The spreadsheet is far from being easy to read. The 'legend' on top is very ambiguous. For instance, what is the difference between "Important missing feature" and "Essential missing feature" ?? Just semantics. What objective criteria used to separate them? 10000 counts is an " Essential missing feature"? According to who? According to what?'
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There is a difference between important (really nice to have) and essential (show stopper).
The database is slanted towards electronic work, not electrical chores. A high count and accuracy is desirable for at least one meter, if you have several, like you should have. For the simple reason, that it can serve as a good reference for the others, since calibration is so expensive and often out of reach for hobbyists. Those meters are usually better made, have larger AC bandwidth, are built with proper external voltage references and have little drift.
10,000 count is not highlighted amber per se, unless the count falls below 7,000 for other functions. It doesn't mean that those meters are useless, just that they are not ideal for electronics, but could be used as secondary meters.

A beginner trying to choose a multimeter will have a hard time deciphering the abbreviations in the table header
Every one of them is well explained in the first row, with annotations. These annotations change regularly and are not repeated for each brand, to limit database maintenance time.

The stars: Very generic classification, based only on brand.
The stars are based on brands only, for a general guideline. I don't own enough of the meters in the database for objective individual assessments. Look for independent reviews on this site for any particular meter.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #197 on: February 02, 2015, 08:00:46 am »
Like Dave says often, it is hard to please everybody.

Unfortunately, there is no other free database that I'm aware of, unless you decide to make a better one, with your own biases.
+1
There's more than enough info and what is missing....fill it in for oneself from the available info elsewhere.
As Wytnucls says, it is a living document and change is never ending.

The biggest worry is WHO will pick it up and continue when Wytnucls can no more.  :-//
Hats off to you, it's a great piece of work.  :clap:
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #198 on: February 02, 2015, 05:59:46 pm »
Hi,

first of all a warm welcome from Poland to all EEVblog forum users.

I have a question regarding the Kyoritsu products.

In the filter section of this magnificent xls document, all of the Kyoritsu product get 5 Stars just like Fluke, Gossen etc - do I get it right that their products are, on average top quality or safe in their price range just like Gossen or Fluke?

Tried to find some in depth reviews or teardowns of the KEW1012 (or any Kyoritsu) that sparked my interest and there is little to no info...
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #199 on: February 02, 2015, 06:21:37 pm »
Their cheaper meters may not be made in Japan, so quality may vary. Check also Yokogawa for similar meters:
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/products/portable-and-bench-instruments/digital-multimeters/

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #200 on: February 02, 2015, 06:23:57 pm »
Thanks.

So how am I to understand those 5 Stars in the filter section?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #201 on: February 02, 2015, 06:38:29 pm »
It is a subjective rating to grade brands according to general perceived overall quality. It doesn't apply to a specific DMM model.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #202 on: February 07, 2015, 01:30:34 am »
Here is the latest database version, with some corrections and additions.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #203 on: February 07, 2015, 04:18:27 am »
Again, thanks for the work you put into this. People need to understand the time it takes to compile something like this. Will there be errors and personal preferences given priority? Of course but like what has already been said, you can't please everyone.

BTW, are the rough prices you list based on what is paid in the end, shipping and taxes included?
I am NOT a distributor for Brymen.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #204 on: February 07, 2015, 04:24:35 am »
Quoting US prices mostly, otherwise eBay 'Buy Now' prices for new and used meters. Shipping is usually free, but an extra allowance should be made for postage and taxes, depending on where you live and the origin of the meter.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #205 on: February 13, 2015, 09:39:41 am »
What a great list! I learned something from your guys. Thanks
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #206 on: February 16, 2015, 09:43:49 am »
Here is a list of the most interesting multimeters for electronic work and their main features for a quick comparison. It is not an exhaustive list and will get updated as time goes by.
If you spot some glaring mistakes, let me know and I will correct them.
Don't fret too much about quoted prices, as they vary wildly from one region to another.
If you feel I have left out some worthwhile DMMs, squawk here and I will try to include them.
All meters listed have a count of 6,000 or higher, have auto-ranging and are true RMS.
All meters (except MetraHit M30) must be able to test diodes, resistance, capacitance, frequency and current.
You will find green highlights for above average features and amber highlights for poor or missing important features.
Every cell with a red triangle has a note attached to it.
There is also another list suitable for filtering, to make your buying decision a little easier.



thanks for the great list, just bought a good multimeter for myself.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #207 on: February 23, 2015, 01:16:19 pm »
Hi,  I believe I have a few corrections;

1. Agilent 34410a has a speed of 10k/s and 34411a has a speed of 50k/s for 4.5 digits.  The specs seem pretty clear for the 34411, but a little less clear on the 34410, but it may be an imposed lower limit rather than hardware or adjusted for other tolerances.

2. GPIB is Optional on 34461a.

3. I'm not sure if you are referring to something more generic in the Mc column, but I think 34461a should have a note at least that it has a Voltage-Complete output (but I'm guessing it does not work for other measurements).

As a notation note; K is used in the spreadsheet for kilo where k would be correct.

Thanks for the great comparison it is helping me look at a new DMM.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #208 on: February 24, 2015, 08:24:26 am »
Thanks for the corrections. I'll look into it.
Capital K will have to stay, as there are too many instances in the database by now, to be modified easily.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #209 on: March 21, 2015, 03:58:07 am »
i saw peter oakes short review on U1461A. this is a very new DMM? the display seems bugged, ending up with 2 digits even though its 60000 count
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #210 on: March 21, 2015, 09:53:03 am »
i saw peter oakes short review on U1461A. this is a very new DMM? the display seems bugged, ending up with 2 digits even though its 60000 count
1) Video is here.



2) Big huge TWO THUMBS DOWN to Keysight for requiring a login to view the bloody user manual. See captured screenshot. :-- :-- :-- :-- :--

3) To get around the login, type "u1461a user manual" into your search engine and then it should bring up

http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/U1461-90003.pdf

without any login screen.  WHY Keysight?   :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:

4) Default for U1461a is 6600 counts.  See screenshot.

5) Disappointing to see a nearly $1000 CDN meter out of calibration right out of box.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #211 on: March 21, 2015, 05:12:50 pm »
Impressive Keysight insulation meter, with loads of features that would put some normal DMMs to shame. If it is an indication of things to come, their next top of the range multimeter should be a world beater.
Strange glitch though, on the DC volt accuracy, considering it comes with a calibration certificate.

I included the U1461A in the latest datasheet seen below:

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #212 on: March 30, 2015, 05:48:29 am »
I own the CEM-DT989 (In Germany it's called Peak Tech 3440) The battery does last about 6 hours but it is rechargeable(Multimeter comes with an AC-adaptor). Therefore it is a bit off to compare it to 9V-Multimeters.

The price is about 230$ btw.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #213 on: April 04, 2015, 07:14:18 pm »
Hello thanks for this post, I write here because I need an advice.
I'm going to buy a new multimeter and I choose this one http://www.extech.com/instruments/product.asp?catid=49&prodid=296 that will cost to me 50€ shipped.
My questions is:

Are there some other multimeters for that price range that I should consider ?  Mostly I use multimeter for hobby and wee-end electronics, I'm not professional what I need is the thermocouple, continuity, resistance etc.

thanks for your advices

 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #214 on: April 07, 2015, 05:51:56 am »
I looking for a fairly rugged, low cost (if possible) mini-DMM for inclusion in R/C aircraft and rocketry hobby field boxes. Only low voltages would be worked with and extreme accuracy is not needed. Any recommendations? I don't see any dimension columns in the spreadsheet. Various really cheap mini-DMMs I've tried have all eventually died even though little used, some while just sitting in the field box, specifically this one:

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-multimeter-98025.html

I found this to be the case just today which is why I'm posting this.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #215 on: April 07, 2015, 07:19:24 am »
This list only caters for True RMS meters with a minimum count of 6,000.
I would suggest a Fluke 101 for your basic field use.
Start another thread for other recommendations.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #216 on: April 26, 2015, 11:21:45 am »
Uni-T UT71x Series meters sourced from Germany are fitted with proper 1000 volt ceramic HRC fuses. The front panel ratings are downgraded to Cat 3 600v and Cat 2 1000v. Internal circuit layout remains substantially unchanged. So I would rate it as okay for use on protected domestic 240 volt circuits. Keep away from three phase and the input side of the mains supply.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #217 on: May 04, 2015, 06:25:26 am »
Could it be the price for the Extech GX900 is incorrect? I was interessed in this one (if available for 300$), but all sellers I can find ask twice as much... Any other meter in the <300$ price range with 1mOhm resolution (excluding the finest and UEI)?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #218 on: May 04, 2015, 02:01:56 pm »
Yes, best price for the GX900 is around 600$. Will update the database later. The similar CEM 9987 meter goes for about 350$.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #219 on: May 04, 2015, 03:05:33 pm »
Thanks for the tip on the CEM, but it seems it does not have the low resolution on the mOhm: http://cem-instruments.de/portfolio-item/true-rms-digital-multimeter-dt-9987/
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #221 on: May 05, 2015, 05:08:26 am »
Thanks for the tip. The one in the link is broken, so that is an expensive gamble. Maybe I will safe up some more. As to living in Europe, yes, I live in Belgium also  :)
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #222 on: May 05, 2015, 06:53:42 am »
That one is defective, but the ones in good working condition sell for about the same price. They come up regularly, if you can wait. As you seem to focus on accurate low resistance measurements, a 4-wire bench meter makes more sense.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #223 on: May 05, 2015, 08:01:42 am »
Thanks, I will watch out for one. Actually, I am not really into to accurate low measurements, I just want a good repeatability and good resolution. I intend to use this for finding shorts or damaged ICs in broken equipment (by measuring trace resistance).

I agree a bench multimeter would be an option, but I have already two older ones (philips pm2525), but they get rarely used (I always grab my low cost chinese portable multimeter). So I figured it was time to add a decent portable multimeter to my collection, and it seemed a good idea to have the 1mOhm resolution.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #224 on: May 18, 2015, 12:00:13 am »
Correction candidate:

Extech MX560A and MX570A Best DC resolution is 10uV  0.010 mV {not 1 uV as presently listed}

Datasheet

http://www.extech.com/instruments/resources/datasheets/MM560A_MM570Adata.pdf

the lowest range is 500mV and this is a 50,000 count meter.

[ EDIT: CORRECTION, as Wyntnucls stated in the next message there is a momentary high resolution mode available to bring resolution to 500,000 counts in some modes (1 uV in DC mode).  It is clear enough in some places of the documentation ]

The GX900 however does have a 50mV range and thus better resolution.


Awesome reference!  Thanks so much for the hard work.  I am using this to choose a new meter for checking load cell outputs
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #225 on: May 18, 2015, 02:17:36 am »
AFAIK, MM570 and MM560 have a 500,000 HiRes mode in DC volt, so best resolution is 1uV with 500mV range.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #226 on: May 23, 2015, 09:23:26 pm »
Thanks for your efforts, curiosity has got the better of me, are you happy to say what DMMs do you own and what is/are your favourite/s DMM?
Whoah! Watch where that landed we might need it later.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #227 on: May 24, 2015, 04:36:43 am »
Sure, it's no secret as I have reviewed a few of them already.
Starting from the top:

Keithley 2000
Rigol 3058E

Gossen Metra Hit 30M and 26S
Fluke 185 and 101
UNI-T 71D, 71B, 61E and 120C

If I was only allowed to keep one of the handheld meters, it would have to be the Fluke 185, for its versatility and friendly interface.
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-185-review/
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« Reply #228 on: May 24, 2015, 06:53:46 pm »
Thanks for the info, I like the 185, a nice display and good layout , not too fussy. It seems like a great find.
Robert
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #229 on: June 27, 2015, 04:26:02 pm »
Thanks, I will watch out for one. Actually, I am not really into to accurate low measurements, I just want a good repeatability and good resolution. I intend to use this for finding shorts or damaged ICs in broken equipment (by measuring trace resistance).

I agree a bench multimeter would be an option, but I have already two older ones (philips pm2525), but they get rarely used (I always grab my low cost chinese portable multimeter). So I figured it was time to add a decent portable multimeter to my collection, and it seemed a good idea to have the 1mOhm resolution.

I forgot to post an update, I decided to opt for the Brymen bm869 and bought a "half ohm" adaptor(http://jaanus.tech-thing.org/category/half-ohm/) . So far I am very satisfied with this combination.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #230 on: June 29, 2015, 07:03:12 am »
Latest spreadsheet, with new columns for voltage/current resolutions for bench meters and UL/GS safety listing for portable DMMs:
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #231 on: July 05, 2015, 07:20:00 am »
it seems UNI-T 513A

the finnicky tester has been "updated" to withstand its own "HV" problems

 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #232 on: July 05, 2015, 11:56:56 am »
Greetings Wytnucls

A bit of a rare hen but I have seen them come up on Ebay occasionally and that is the Fluke 863 and 867B, I have most of the pdf's and a couple of brochures and saw an 863 go for $350 AUD recently down here. It looks like they were the true predecessor to the current 287/289 series and pretty sure that Martin has one. At the last minute I always seem to steer clear simply because they are getting a bit old in the tooth but they look like a nice meter, any thoughts of adding them.

Best Regards
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« Reply #233 on: July 05, 2015, 12:09:58 pm »
Sure, I wasn't aware of their existence. They will be listed shortly.

 

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« Reply #234 on: July 05, 2015, 12:14:05 pm »
Brilliant.... :-+

I probably should have keep my mouth shut until after an acquisition.... :palm:

Not sure if they suffer from the super cap issue as the other 189s and 289s do and thats probably why I never committed to a purchase, they are graphical and logging multimeters only, no oscilloscope functions as such. I dont have any info on the 865 but have included the manual for the 863 and 867b below, the others are all too big to post.

Well Done and Many Thanks

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #235 on: July 05, 2015, 01:47:08 pm »
There you go:
(They are not cheap though, but possibly worth the expense, if a rudimentary portable oscilloscope is needed)
There is also a Fluke 865, but I can't find the manual.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #236 on: July 09, 2015, 05:20:32 pm »
The Brymen BM257 has Hold feature,  please correct  the spreadsheet
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #237 on: July 09, 2015, 06:10:32 pm »
Hold yes, AutoHold no. The column reflects the presence of an auto hold feature, whereby a reading is held on the screen automatically, after measurement.

From Fluke's user manual:
The AutoHOLD mode captures the present reading on
the display. When a new, stable reading is detected, the
Meter beeps and displays the new reading.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #238 on: July 09, 2015, 07:57:01 pm »
Hold yes, AutoHold no. The column reflects the presence of an auto hold feature, whereby a reading is held on the screen automatically, after measurement.

From Fluke's user manual:
The AutoHOLD mode captures the present reading on
the display. When a new, stable reading is detected, the
Meter beeps and displays the new reading.

I see,  thank you.  What happens when a multimeter has different accuracy for each range,  you put the worst or the best?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #239 on: July 09, 2015, 08:01:06 pm »
I try to quote the best accuracy, usually on the lowest DC voltage range.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #240 on: July 09, 2015, 08:55:25 pm »
Latest spreadsheet with continuity test (latched, fast or slow) column:
As always, if you own one of the meters and spot a mistake, let me know and corrections will be made.

This is how the latched continuity works on the Fluke  8060A:

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #241 on: July 09, 2015, 10:04:18 pm »
I have a suggestion:  include both hold (Hold) and auto hold (Ahld)
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #242 on: July 09, 2015, 11:32:01 pm »
Standard Hold (Push button) is not very interesting. Most meters on the list without AutoHold will have it.
Some meters have both features.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #243 on: July 10, 2015, 05:26:04 am »
What about a section for pen type multimeters?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #244 on: July 10, 2015, 11:34:00 am »
No, thanks. I have enough work maintaining this database. Don't let me stop you publishing one yourself and while you're at it, list one for clamp meters and LCR meters too.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #245 on: July 15, 2015, 10:58:56 pm »
Latest spreadsheet, with additional meters that do not meet the original criteria (6,000 count and true RMS), but are still worth considering, if count or RMS measurement is not critical.
They can be found in the 'Outsiders' page and consist of Fluke and Keithley meters.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #246 on: July 16, 2015, 02:06:44 am »
Latest spreadsheet, with additional meters that do not meet the original criteria (6,000 count and true RMS), but are still worth considering, if count or RMS measurement is not critical.
They can be found in the 'Outsiders' page and consist of Fluke and Keithley meters.

What about adding the Amprobe AM-510? I know it doesn't meet your initial criteria but it was quite robust in Joe's testing.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #247 on: July 16, 2015, 03:52:09 am »
These lists cater mostly for electronics work instruments. High voltage robustness is not a major criteria. Besides, apart from the Fluke 87 V, the unscientific tests were conducted with cheap multimeters. There probably is a slew of other meters which would have performed just as well.
With all due respect, if user safety worries you, acquire a meter which has been underwritten by independent accredited testing agencies, instead a relying on someone on the internet, blasting a handful of meters with high voltage on all ranges.
The better AM-570 is on the spreadsheet already and doesn't cost much more.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #248 on: July 29, 2015, 08:34:57 pm »
I shouldn't even be surprised there is this comprehensive of a listing of multimeters on the eevblog forums. You guys are amazing! :D

What are you guys' view on the best, simple, beginner's multimeter to get?
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« Reply #249 on: July 29, 2015, 09:03:34 pm »
There is no absolute best. Everything is a compromise. Go through the list and see what features are important to you and how much you are prepared to spend.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #250 on: August 04, 2015, 01:21:57 am »
Screen update rate is not always mentioned in the datasheet of multimeters. It seems that a majority do 3 updates per second, which I find adequate. Anything above that speed, usually means that the last digits become a blur. There is no specific column for the update speed, but it is sometimes mentioned for particular meters under the 'Disp' column. Look for the red corner triangle.
The UNI-T UT-71A has a fast display mode (5-6 per second) but costs double your budget.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #251 on: August 04, 2015, 01:24:23 am »
Can someone recommand a ~50USD fast(5/sec+) update rate multimeter (preferably with fast auto-range too).
I'm surprised that update rate is not mentioned in the xls.
I've been searching but I haven't been able to track one down yet.

Thanks!
I can't recommend you a low price device,  but what you can do is to look for reviews on youtube and see which one may work for you.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #252 on: August 10, 2015, 12:31:28 pm »
Great post.  A huge amount of work to do all this!

You might check the google Docs SS; line for the Agilent U1272A, as it is possible the line is mixed up with another model.  I believe the  U1272A has an LCD screen.

Also, prices on the lower end Agilent (Keysight) models seem a bit high, I recently checked the prices on the Keysight web page in USD, no taxes added:

U1232A, $138
U1233A, $168
U1241B, $206
U1242B, $226

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #253 on: August 11, 2015, 04:03:46 am »
The UT1272A line is fine. it also includes similar models with OLED screens (1273A 1273AX). I will leave a note to emphasize that the A model has an LCD instead.
The quoted prices are at least a year old now and may have been gathered from a European site.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #254 on: August 20, 2015, 10:51:13 am »
Is there a reason Sperry Instruments meters are not listed?  They have two models that are true RMS, the DM6650T and the DM8700.  You can see an overview of all their multimeters on pages 16 and 17 of their online catalog, and the details of those two models are on page 21.  Here is a link to page 16: http://www.delzer.com/powerproducts/sperrycatalog/#16/z
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #255 on: August 20, 2015, 11:31:57 am »
I think it maybe because they are already listed here under their original branding which appears to be mostly Unitrend or UnitT, one or two look like Metex but I could be wrong, also the list is primarily for meters of 6000 count or more, Wytnucls will know.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #256 on: September 10, 2015, 09:10:59 pm »
Can you add to the backlight info the duration, and if the backlight timer can be switched off? This would be really useful info. Currently I'm looking for a meter where you can keep the backlight permanently on.

Here's some data:

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Model          Duration     Timer can be disabled
Fluke 87V      68s          no
Brymen BM869   30s          no
Brymen BM859   30s          no
Uni-T UT139C   15s          no
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #257 on: September 11, 2015, 01:39:41 am »
There is some info on backlight already, in cell notes. The backlight duration can be adjusted in steps on some meters, like the UT71 series.
Very few meters can have the auto OFF function disabled altogether. (So far, I've only found that feature on the Gossen Energy and the discontinued Fluke 185/183 aka Tektronix TX3/1)
I will tag those few with a '^' in their 'Light' cells.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #258 on: September 11, 2015, 03:34:00 am »
There is some info on backlight already, in cell notes. The backlight duration can be adjusted in steps on some meters, like the UT71 series.
Very few meters can have the auto OFF function disabled altogether. (So far, I've only found that feature on the Gossen Energy and the discontinued Fluke 185/183 aka Tektronix TX3/1)
I will tag those few with a '^' in their 'Light' cells.

Hey thanks. That's not looking good. Looks like I'll just have to mod my UT139C. Luckily the backlight circuit is extremely simple.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #259 on: September 11, 2015, 05:00:55 pm »
Actually, after some careful reading of datasheets, it seems that more of the high-end meters from the top manufacturers have a backlight override feature (Fluke 289, Keysight 1251/71, Hioki 4282)
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #260 on: September 12, 2015, 09:16:53 pm »
Hi!

Thanks for the ongoing excellent work!

One little thing:
It seems you marked the HMC8012 benchtop as having no date & time.
But there is a setting under setup->misc->date&time.

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #261 on: September 12, 2015, 10:05:38 pm »
Thanks for the correction. Yes, the 8012 has a date and time function for data stamp. I'm not sure if it stays in sync when the meter is switched off or if it has to be reset each time. Will correct the sheet on the next update.

8.4.2 Date & Time
The soft menu key Date&Time allows you to set the time
and date and add a date and time stamp to printouts and
saved data records. The user can reset the date and time.
Date and time can be set via knob. The respective soft
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #262 on: September 30, 2015, 05:17:22 am »
Great job Wytnucls, a lot of new models!


Some corrections of CEM DT-9979 datum (I own it and could make/give all screenshots if needed):

1. It has AC+DC Volts and Amps, both AC DC (shows separate AC and DC) and AC+DC (sum of both).
2. Don't understand, why do you show AC BW as 1KHz? It is either 10K (1000V) or 100K (<500V) for AC TRMS as stated in the manual. Is it measured value?
3. Best accuracy is 0.025% for DC, not 0.02%
4. Diode test voltage is not 2.8V but 3.2V mentioned in the manual and 3.25V tested, so it is good for many LEDs.
5. It definetely DOES NOT have 20mA current loop test!
6. It has 2 levels of backlight.
7. It has a lot of MAX/MIN functions, including number of matches and weighted mean. It has LOZ for AC voltage. LFV is mentioned in the manual, but I don't see it in the menus - so it is most probably missing.
8. It has counter for events and editable events threshold  settings (1-100%).
9. Unfortunately, it DOES NOT has external power. You could not use DMM while in charge mode.

It DOES NOT have NCV.

For me, one giant drawback compared to Fluke 287/289 is an absence of the ZOOM mode. You need to upload collected data to Android/PC in order to mangle the graphs. Maybe it is fixed in the later firmware, my version is 1.04.


 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #263 on: September 30, 2015, 06:19:09 am »
Thanks for the corrections. I found the manual on line now. Had to rely on CEM's site previously.
TRMS AC bandwidth is lower: 10kHz with 3% accuracy. I don't take into account bandwidth accuracies above 3%.
No LoZ, but VFD, according to the manual.
Will update the database on the next revision.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #264 on: September 30, 2015, 08:53:57 am »
Here is the latest Excel file with a few additions and some alterations:

Hi
Is your spreadsheet locked for formatting?  I cannot read some rows and I would like to change the cells format but it is grayed out in Libreoffice.

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #265 on: September 30, 2015, 09:07:38 pm »
I'm not familiar with LibreOffice, but nothing is locked on the spreadsheet (MS Office 2010). You can modify it to your heart's content.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #266 on: October 01, 2015, 12:23:35 am »
Libre Office is another branch off from Open Office. I had problems with some documents in Libre Office and so switched back to Open Office.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #267 on: October 25, 2015, 07:19:58 am »
Thank you, great work!
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #268 on: November 07, 2015, 01:19:40 pm »
Can someone explain the blind spot on Amps? If the meter says 10A max, but the spreadsheet lists 5A. Does this mean it can only read up to 5A accurately, or is it accurate across the 10A range except somewhere around 5A. If it falls out of spec at the blind spot, by how much...1%?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #269 on: November 13, 2015, 07:44:27 am »
New update with the latest Keysight meters and a few corrections.

I hope someday there will be an update for people with bad eyes

Black fonts on dark blue is impossible for me to read  :--

With locked cells it is also very hard to change  :--

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #270 on: November 13, 2015, 07:56:48 am »
Everything is readable if used with MS Excel. There are few dark blue cells and those have white fonts anyway.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #271 on: November 13, 2015, 08:08:23 am »
In your table at Brymen BM867,appear (light off after 30s) it is wrong.Se go off after 16s
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #272 on: November 13, 2015, 08:17:13 am »
The new model may be different.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #273 on: November 13, 2015, 08:22:07 am »
Everything is readable if used with MS Excel. There are few dark blue cells and those have white fonts anyway.

Maybe this is the problem - I use LibreOffice  :-[     I cannot afford Excel.

Attached is a screen shot

Look at Rows 2 and 20  - very hard to read

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #274 on: November 13, 2015, 08:25:25 am »
I have the  new model BM867s.In my manual write 32s.I sent an email to Brymen,the response it was (I was checking BM867s design with engineer and found its designed backlight time is 16 seconds, not 32 seconds. I will be revising BM867s manual for next mass printing. Thanks for feeding back discrepancy to us.  )

Even the model BM869 have this problem.
The back-light timer was hiding a small annoyance for my taste, at the hard copy of the User’s manual it is clearly say that the BM869 holds the back-light on for 32 seconds, and in my BM869 it works just for 16 seconds.
The information that I got from BRYMEN was “typographical error”.
Also the specific model does not offer any special power-up mode about disabling the back-light timer.
The text was copied from a review made by Kiriakos

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #275 on: November 14, 2015, 06:26:53 am »
Quote: I cannot afford Excel

MS Excel viewer is a free download:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=10
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #276 on: November 14, 2015, 06:47:29 am »
Can someone explain the blind spot on Amps? If the meter says 10A max, but the spreadsheet lists 5A. Does this mean it can only read up to 5A accurately, or is it accurate across the 10A range except somewhere around 5A. If it falls out of spec at the blind spot, by how much...1%?
AC current measurement, because of the true RMS converter limitation of 10% of range, is tricky. On a 40,000 count meter for instance, there is a zone below 1A on the 10A range, where measurements are not to be trusted. Ideally, the meter should have a 4A range, to cover the dead zone between 400mA and 1A . DC current measurements are not affected.
Check your equipment, as all true RMS meters which lack an intermediate A range could be affected.
Errors can be very substantial.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #277 on: November 28, 2015, 11:17:59 pm »
Wytnucls, any reason (other than age, perhaps) the Keithley 191 is out of the list? I think it is a great meter on paper for a dirt cheap price. The reason is that I was looking for one and found it missing from the table.

BTW, regarding free/non-free viewers, Openoffice (free office package) opens the spreadsheet just fine.

Also, as I said before, great work on the spreadsheet!

(edit) added 191's specsheet
« Last Edit: November 28, 2015, 11:29:29 pm by rsjsouza »
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #278 on: November 29, 2015, 01:03:55 am »
No particular reason, except that I wasn't familiar with it. It will be listed at the next revision.

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #279 on: November 29, 2015, 06:03:25 am »
No particular reason, except that I wasn't familiar with it. It will be listed at the next revision.



I have been looking at this one.  Why does this one show a reading with nothing connected to it?  Is it bad?  Several on ebay also show readings of some sort with no wires connected?  thanks
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #280 on: December 04, 2015, 05:27:37 pm »
Meters often show some slight measurements when open circuit. It's just electrical noise and induced voltages as far as I know. Those will often show up, but it will settle down as soon as you put an actual circuit on the end of the probes.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #281 on: December 04, 2015, 11:15:32 pm »
No particular reason, except that I wasn't familiar with it. It will be listed at the next revision.
U da man. Thanks!
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #282 on: December 05, 2015, 11:09:11 am »
What is with that updated spreadsheet download with EEVBlog DM1 branded multimeter?

Google doesn't return any results for it.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #283 on: January 02, 2016, 08:23:55 am »
Wytnucls, has there been any further developments of the OWON DMM's?
You stated you added them to your spreadsheet: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/need-advise-for-owon-multimeter/msg675501/#msg675501

Latest in the OP does not show them or am I blind?
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #284 on: January 02, 2016, 03:14:48 pm »
Owon B35T is listed in the downloadable spreadsheet. The image on post one hasn't been updated in a while.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #285 on: January 02, 2016, 03:41:20 pm »
What is with that updated spreadsheet download with EEVBlog DM1 branded multimeter?

Google doesn't return any results for it.

Any news on this? I found a post from November where Dave stated that a rebadged Brymen would be out "this month", but no updates since.
Edit: Found another post stating that the Brymen collaboration would be coming out in January. Looking forward to it, specs in the spreadsheet looked nice.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #286 on: January 02, 2016, 04:32:59 pm »
Tentative specs. To be updated once meter is released.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #287 on: January 04, 2016, 02:34:41 am »
Hi,
I have HIOKI DT4256 and I would like to contribute to the chart.

This is the list I could investigated so far.

Count
  6000
AC+
  Yes
BW
  1k
DUT
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
AC volt
  100uV
DC Accuracy
  30/-/3
DC amp min
  10nA
DC amp max
  10A
bw
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
m?
  100mohm
nS/M?
  60M
Cnt
  very fast
pF
  x (1nF min)
mF
  10mF
Dio
  5
?Hz
  100k
%
  yes (DT4256 has it)
W
  x

  x
PC
  yes
Kit
  option
Int Log
  x
Clock
  x
Disp
  2
Light
  light blue
'I'''I
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
'M/m
  yes
Peak
  x
Hld
  yes (it has auto hold, identical to Flue touch hold)
dB
  x
LoZ
  x
VFD
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
Evt
  x
Batt
  4AAA
Life
  130hour
F G
  x
E Pwr
  x
Jack
 (i am not sure about the meaning)
Fuse
  1000
CAT
  III 1000>
P/F
  x
4-20
  (i am not sure about the meaning)
NCV
  x
UL
  ?
Price
  $200


I could not figure out some of the abbreviation.
There might be some mistakes or misunderstanding, so I welcome any kind of comments or questions.

 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #288 on: January 04, 2016, 04:55:01 pm »
4-20
  (i am not sure about the meaning)
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Reads 4ma to 20ma as a percentage

at 4ma meter reads 0 %

at 20ma meter reads 100%

at 12ma meter reads  50%

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #289 on: January 04, 2016, 06:40:01 pm »
The new Hioki DT4256 will be included in the next revision.
No AC+DC, 1mV AC (100uV DC) and 10uA DC (100uA AC) resolution only, no logic level frequency %, but has non contact high voltage detection.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #290 on: January 04, 2016, 09:35:36 pm »
Thank you ez24,

I found that all the abbreviations were addressed as comments on the excel file.

Hi Wytnucls,

Would like to correct some mistakes on my previous HIOKI DT4256 post.

BW
  1kHz

Volt
  1mV

DC uA
  10uA

A
  10A

bw
  1k Hz (also DT4252 and DT4253 are the same)

'I'''I
  Yes, it has bar graph.

m/M
  It has average.

VFD
  It has low pass filter, selectable on 100Hz and 500Hz.

NCV
  Selectable between, AC40V-AC600V or AC60V-AC600V.

4-20
  Yes (on DT4256 and 4253, and not on 4252)
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #291 on: January 04, 2016, 09:43:20 pm »
This is about Yokogawa.

All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 have:

Jack
  Physical port shutter.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #292 on: January 04, 2016, 10:17:21 pm »
I found that

UL
   All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 are UL listed.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #293 on: January 04, 2016, 10:35:26 pm »
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #294 on: January 04, 2016, 10:48:12 pm »
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #295 on: January 04, 2016, 10:51:11 pm »
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #296 on: January 06, 2016, 05:45:12 pm »
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.
Not according to the Yokogawa manuals. Quote a reference with your corrections.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #297 on: January 06, 2016, 05:46:55 pm »
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
Again, no LoZ on TY720. Read the manual.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #298 on: January 06, 2016, 05:54:35 pm »
I found that

UL
   All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 are UL listed.
530, 520 are not UL listed.

http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #299 on: January 06, 2016, 06:03:02 pm »
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
4252 600mV 20/-/5
4253 600mV 50/-/5
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #300 on: January 07, 2016, 11:28:15 pm »
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.
Not according to the Yokogawa manuals. Quote a reference with your corrections.

Hi,

I did refer to original Japanese manuals and materials, since I am Japanese and could read in Japanese.
Many Japanese companies are not so good at making English web-sites in general.
Iwatsu and Leader do not look good compare to Japanese web-sites, but even the Japanese one is not so great.
Hioki andYokogawa are mostly OK but I see some places it could have been improved.

This is community forum and I just wanted to help improving the chart.
I thought having many people from the world would benefit on this forum and also good place to put the knowledge together.
I really did not have any other intention.

I own both TY530 and DT4256.

This is the manual about low pass filter.




 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #301 on: January 07, 2016, 11:31:24 pm »
I found that

UL
   All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 are UL listed.
530, 520 are not UL listed.

http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf

English web site is not always up to date.
I thought it is good to verify who could read the original Japanese.

This is dated on 2011.
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_S01_010.pdf

This is the official UL list from the UL web-site which specifies about TY700 and TY500 series.

http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=PICQ.E214270&ccnshorttitle=Measuring,+Testing+and+Signal-generation+Equipment&objid=1075210338&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073991173&sequence=1

This is the pictures regarding UL.




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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #302 on: January 07, 2016, 11:32:52 pm »

I will reply others later.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #303 on: January 08, 2016, 12:50:41 pm »
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
Again, no LoZ on TY720. Read the manual.

This is the manual.

 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #304 on: January 08, 2016, 12:52:24 pm »
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
4252 600mV 20/-/5
4253 600mV 50/-/5

This is the images for accuracy.



 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #305 on: January 08, 2016, 06:44:27 pm »
LoZ
  TY720 has it. Other TY710, TY530, TY520 don't.
Again, no LoZ on TY720. Read the manual.

This is the manual.


That's not a loZ function, as used to cancel false readings due to ghost voltage presence (capacitive coupling)
Read up on ghost voltage if you don't know what it is. (No 3 on the first post of this thread)
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #306 on: January 08, 2016, 06:50:32 pm »
UL listing for 530 and 520 is now correct (2016)
The document I referred to was from Dec 2011.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #307 on: January 08, 2016, 09:05:57 pm »
This is for HIOKI.

Accuracy
  DT4252 and DT4253 -> 30/-/5
  DT4256 -> 30/-/3
4252 600mV 20/-/5
4253 600mV 50/-/5

This is the images for accuracy.




The Hioki 4252 has a special high accuracy 600mV DC range, 0.2%+5.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #308 on: January 09, 2016, 08:35:43 pm »
You are correct, the TY710 doesn't come with VFD. The other meters do. All the meters have port blanking. The spreadsheet will be corrected later.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #309 on: January 17, 2016, 05:12:05 am »
One of my favourite Bench DMM Meters .

maybe you can include it.

Texio DL-2060G  http://www.texio.co.jp/en/03prod_01_04_08.html

 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #310 on: January 19, 2016, 11:04:39 am »
One of my favourite Bench DMM Meters .

maybe you can include it.

Texio DL-2060G  http://www.texio.co.jp/en/03prod_01_04_08.html

Pretty certain that is just a rebadge of the Picotest M3500A, just with a different color scheme
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #311 on: January 19, 2016, 11:19:59 am »
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Pretty certain that is just a rebadge of the Picotest M3500A, just with a different color scheme

Yes indeed, it is the same.

Im sorry, I was not aware of the Picotest M3500A.

And the Picotest M3500A look´s like the Keithley 2100

Curious question, are the Firmware Update´s  from the other Unit´s usable with my Unit ?
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« Reply #312 on: January 21, 2016, 12:28:35 pm »
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Pretty certain that is just a rebadge of the Picotest M3500A, just with a different color scheme

Yes indeed, it is the same.

Im sorry, I was not aware of the Picotest M3500A.

And the Picotest M3500A look´s like the Keithley 2100

Curious question, are the Firmware Update´s  from the other Unit´s usable with my Unit ?

The Keithley 2100 is also a M3500A rebadge, as you noticed.

I have no clue on the firmware to be honest. It would be a crap shoot and you risk bricking your meter.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #313 on: February 03, 2016, 10:57:06 pm »
Wytnucls, one detail regarding battery life on Fluke's 175/177/179: in both manuals I have (an original from my 179 and a copy I downloaded from their website), I see it listed as being 400 hours. Perhaps you have a different source?
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #314 on: February 03, 2016, 11:49:57 pm »
I can't remember where I got that figure from. I see Element 14 has it as 200hrs also. I will change it to 400hrs at the next revision. Thanks for your input.
http://in.element14.com/fluke/fluke-177/multimeter-digital-hand-held-6000/dp/3558680?mckv=svf5CnTY5|pcrid|86562217480&CMP=KNC-GOO-SKU-G30-FLU
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #315 on: February 10, 2016, 06:33:51 pm »
I can't remember where I got that figure from. I see Element 14 has it as 200hrs also. I will change it to 400hrs at the next revision.
Wrt to the 200 and 400 hour confusion ....

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fluke-77iv-and-179-differences-with-teardown-photos/msg804693/#msg804693
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #316 on: February 12, 2016, 09:36:56 am »
Thank you!  :-+
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #317 on: February 15, 2016, 12:14:37 pm »
I am narrowing down your multimeter list to purchase a new one soon and was looking at the Brymen BM857.  In column H (uA, best DC current resolution) it says 10nA but instead either green, white, yellow, or red for high, average, low or danger, it is a tan color that looks like it was maybe missing feature.  However the tan color isn't the same as with your legend so figured it meant something else.  What does that color mean in your table?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #318 on: February 16, 2016, 04:07:34 am »
Not tan, but light green, to differentiate from meters with a 1nA resolution (full green).
Use MS Excel viewer to pick up the right colors.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #319 on: February 17, 2016, 04:31:37 am »
Thank you for this! I'm in the process of researching the purchase of my first DMM and was only aware of a few brands, and a few models for each of those brands. This spreadsheet blew my mind as well as opened my eyes!
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #320 on: February 18, 2016, 11:51:41 pm »
Family picture of all TRMS 6000+ count multimeters (new and old) :
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #321 on: February 21, 2016, 11:54:06 am »
I can't open the new file, it says it's been encrypted with an encoding that's not available in my country. Am I the only one? I was able to open the previous ones.

EDIT: Just open it in Google Spreadsheet.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #322 on: February 22, 2016, 08:54:28 pm »
This is about Yokogawa.

All TY720, TY710, TY530, TY520 have:

Jack
  Physical port shutter.

Hi Wytnucls,

Hope this helps.

http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/TY700_User_Manual.pdf
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/IMTY530_E_030.pdf







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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #323 on: February 27, 2016, 01:01:54 pm »
Hey, thanks for this resource, the spreadsheet is great.  I saw the how to choose a DMM link at the top but I personally would find a simpler more concise table easier and more helpful.  I am looking for a multimeter for some beginner electronics work and some basic home mains wiring.  So if there was somewhere linked with your master spreadsheet that said for electronics you would recommend a meter this accurate or with at least this DC current resolution. And home wiring you should look for DMMs with these values. 

Can you recommend some values from your table you think would be the most important to have for basic electronics and some home mains (120 V) work?

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #324 on: February 27, 2016, 10:10:19 pm »
If you don't know what to buy, get the EEVBlog Brymen 235. Safe, useful and priced right.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #325 on: February 28, 2016, 02:35:02 am »
If you don't know what to buy, get the EEVBlog Brymen 235. Safe, useful and priced right.

+1  :-+
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #326 on: February 28, 2016, 03:28:42 pm »
Here's a correction: I just found out that the backlight on the Fluke 87V does NOT turn off automatically! How awesome is that? I get to decide when the backlight turns off! I didn't even know such a meter existed!
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #327 on: February 29, 2016, 01:26:55 am »
Yes, most of the high-end Fluke, Hioki and Keysight meters have the feature. It is a select club; as far as I can tell, none of the cheaper meters have it.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #328 on: February 29, 2016, 01:55:09 am »
I'm just saying, because the spreadsheet says "Auto off after 60s" ...

Also, the original series Fluke 87 does have a backlight, that info is missing in the spreadsheet: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fluke-87-TRUE-RMS-Multimeter-/111913882788
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #329 on: February 29, 2016, 02:56:43 am »
Yes, I know, the feature can be overridden on start. The sheet will be corrected later.
The original 87 is already listed has having a green backlight. Perhaps your software doesn't show it.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #330 on: February 29, 2016, 05:48:58 am »
Yes, I know, the feature can be overridden on start. The sheet will be corrected later.
The original 87 is already listed has having a green backlight. Perhaps your software doesn't show it.

Nope, the 87V has no backlight timer at all. There is no option to have the backlight turn off automatically. Once you turn it on, it stays on until you turn it off, or until the meter turns itself off after ~31 minutes.

I'm using LibreOffice Calc (I use Linux). The 'light' cell on the 87 is shown as grey. See attachment. The spreadsheet seems to be working fine in Calc.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #331 on: February 29, 2016, 07:01:30 am »
OK, I get it now. Just a straight ON/OFF button, with 2 levels of brightness.
I recommend the free MS Excel viewer for best experience or the free WPS Office.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #332 on: February 29, 2016, 09:04:59 pm »
OK, I get it now. Just a straight ON/OFF button, with 2 levels of brightness.

 :-+

But wait, here's another one: the 87V actually has a max. resolution of 10nA in uA mode, not 100nA. Check out the specs:

http://en-us.fluke.com/products/digital-multimeters/fluke-87v-digital-multimeter.html#techspecs

Also, and here the specs are wrong, it has a max. resolution of 10 milliohms. It shows two decimals in the 600 ohms range in hi-res mode.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #333 on: February 29, 2016, 10:10:51 pm »
As noted for the cell, 6000 count resolution quoted. No Hires figures for any meters.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #334 on: March 03, 2016, 09:45:12 am »
Wow, This list is impressive


Recently I ordered a Bremen BM869.
I was amazed by the positive reviews I found on several blogs, especially Martin who convinced me to try them.
Otherwise I was opting for the Agilent U1252B

All the rest of the stuff I own if Fluke and I must say never had a big problem so far.
(only the battery in my Fluke 43 and 123)
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #335 on: March 10, 2016, 09:46:32 am »
Very nice spreadsheet, although in excel 2013 the comment boxes need to be edited to show all the info, it's PITA to edit in excel, although why are the Brymen 9XX series are missing? 6000 counts and True RMS. Maybe they have not yet been added or i'm missing something. It would be nice if there was a sheet for automotive DMM's too, mainly because i'm looking to buy one at the moment (but not only for auto work so i'm kinda stuck):p
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #336 on: March 10, 2016, 12:04:12 pm »
Apart from the fact that I have no interest in automotive meters, they are quite numerous and would clog up the spreadsheet, diluting its effectiveness. A separate sheet would be more beneficial. The same applies to scope multimeters. If you feel creative, there is nothing stopping you from publishing your own.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #337 on: March 14, 2016, 07:28:07 pm »
This is on Yokogawa.

VFD
  On TY720, TY530, TY520 but not on TY710.

This is the chart from here about low pass filter.
http://tmi.yokogawa.com/files/uploaded/BUDMM_EN_120_2.pdf



 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #338 on: March 14, 2016, 07:33:11 pm »
You are correct, the TY710 doesn't come with VFD. The other meters do. All the meters have port blanking. The spreadsheet will be corrected later.

Hi Wytnucls,

Gentle reminder ping?




 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #339 on: March 14, 2016, 08:50:16 pm »
Thanks, the master file has now been updated.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #340 on: March 18, 2016, 09:21:22 am »
If you don't know what to buy, get the EEVBlog Brymen 235. Safe, useful and priced right.

Just curious when the 235 will be added to the spreadsheet? Is anyone working on it?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #341 on: March 18, 2016, 09:26:54 am »
It has been on the list since post 325.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #342 on: April 08, 2016, 03:04:02 am »
Crazy! Great work. That is an amazing feat organizing this list.
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« Reply #343 on: April 09, 2016, 01:22:30 pm »
Latest spreadsheet with a few new meters and some corrections:

Great! Thanks :)
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #344 on: April 12, 2016, 06:40:17 am »
Hello - I'm new here, deciding to upgrade my 15+ year old "el cheapo" and found your spreadsheet an excellent resource - many thanks!

Scanning through some of my shortlisted ones in your latest copy (dated April 6th 2016) I believe that Keysight U1241C doesn't really have non-contact voltage detection, at least their datasheet says it's U1242C-only (your spreadsheet lists it for both U1241C/U1242C).
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #345 on: April 12, 2016, 01:58:26 pm »
Correct. May have come from this silly Keysight statement: 'The U1240C Series handheld DMM have Vsense'
Master copy has been modified. Thanks.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #346 on: May 02, 2016, 09:07:04 am »
By Jove, this list is beautiful. Thank you Wytnucls.

Possible correction: Extech EX520 and EX530 do have DUT (duty cycle, correct?) functions.

Source: Manufacturer datasheet. And I own an EX530  :D
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #347 on: May 02, 2016, 04:09:10 pm »
No, DUT in electronics, means device under test.
Some meters can auto select the range (AC, DC, Ohm, etc..) depending on what device or circuit the probes are connected to.
 
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #348 on: May 24, 2016, 04:45:03 am »
Hi

I think, there is another small error (sheet  of  06.04.2016): The Metrel MD9016 seem to be a rebranded Brymen BM252(?) , not  a BM257

but still a great job, thx!
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #349 on: May 25, 2016, 03:04:51 pm »
Well spotted. It is the BM252, which isn't true RMS. The sheet will be corrected for the next edition.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #350 on: May 29, 2016, 11:44:39 am »
A great resource. Thanks!

Regarding categories (DMM, Bench), maybe you mean "handheld"? They are all DMMs. Sub-categories are handheld (or "portable") and bench.

In my mind, anyway.

Doesn't take away from your great effort.

Thanks again,
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #351 on: May 29, 2016, 06:24:12 pm »
Of course. The explanation is that the 2nd and 3rd pages were published much later and the relevant name of the first one never got changed.
I don't think it confused anyone. I'll think of more descriptive page names for the next release.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #352 on: June 06, 2016, 05:51:04 am »
http://www.fluke.com/fluke/vnen/Digital-Multimeters/Fluke-117.htm?PID=55996

Looks like you have 10 years for the 117. I think the 114,5,7 all are 3 years now :(
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #353 on: June 06, 2016, 06:38:14 pm »
You are correct. That's also true for the Fluke 233 and the $650 Fluke 1587 insulation meter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet
« Reply #354 on: June 11, 2016, 05:57:42 pm »
Column headings are explained in the notes found on the first heading row.

Very helpful; I was about to ask what they all mean. Only problem is that they're practically unreadable without this macro:
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Sub FitComments()
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Dim xComment As Comment
For Each xComment In Application.ActiveSheet.Comments
    xComment.Shape.TextFrame.AutoSize = True
Next
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #355 on: June 11, 2016, 07:41:16 pm »
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I changed spreadsheet editor recently on a new computer and files saved with an .xls extension have text boxes corrupted, unless viewed with WPS Office (https://www.wps.com/wps-office-personal).
The next version will be edited on MS Excel and cells should have the proper comment box size when viewed with MS Excel.
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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #356 on: July 09, 2016, 04:11:25 am »
According to docs, Appa 305 does not have clock.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #357 on: July 09, 2016, 09:56:51 pm »
Correct. Database will be modified. Thanks.
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #358 on: July 16, 2016, 10:33:16 pm »
Would you please help me, isn't SIGLENT  or OWON a good brands for the Benchtop Multimeters?
 

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Re: Multimeter spreadsheet (38 brands and 210 meters listed)
« Reply #359 on: July 17, 2016, 06:40:16 am »
Would you please help me, isn't SIGLENT  or OWON a good brands for the Benchtop Multimeters?
As much as he might like to, Wytnucls can't be expected to offer advice on any equipment that he does not have, maybe based on comparison of specs yes, but you can do that for yourself.
There's a number of threads of various brands and models, use the search button to find them.

Here's the Siglent SDM3055 5 1/2 digit thread for your study:
http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/

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