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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #100 on: May 27, 2018, 07:38:13 pm »
Fungus,
Yes, it happen on all channels.
Signal square, DC voltage 13 volts, channel DC input
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #101 on: May 27, 2018, 08:04:26 pm »
Ok, I'm going to say the oscilloscope is perfectly OK and this is just op-amp distortion.

13V into a channel which is set to 200mV will distort.

(and will distort much more in 1x mode than 10x mode).
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #102 on: May 27, 2018, 08:13:01 pm »
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I read about the overdriving, but no one wrote that this happens zero level binding disappears from the channel marker.
Is the zero level loss "normal" when overdriving DS1054?
My DSO203 for $ 100, I look on the same signal and it does not lose the zero level to the minimum sensitivity - 50mV.
It's a bad surprise for me.
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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #103 on: May 27, 2018, 08:30:19 pm »
I read about the overdriving, but no one wrote that this happens zero level binding disappears from the channel marker.
Is the zero level loss "normal" when overdriving DS1054?

"Zero level binding" isn't a real thing so you can't lose it and anything can be "normal" when you distort the input. It's undefined, it depends on the input signal.

You can set the volts/div to 'fine' control, this might let you see all the steps in between 1V and 500mV.



Edit: I just tried it on mine and I can reproduce this using the DS1054Z's built-in test signal if I switch the probe to 1x. Fine control lets me see it gradually.
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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #104 on: May 27, 2018, 08:37:14 pm »
My DSO203 for $ 100, I look on the same signal and it does not lose the zero level to the minimum sensitivity - 50mV.

The DSO203 op-amp isn't as sensitive as the DS1054Z

It's a bad surprise for me.

It's the reality of op-amps. It happens on all oscilloscopes.

 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #105 on: May 27, 2018, 08:43:43 pm »
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Zero level loss from channel marker at 750mV for probe 10X.

 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #106 on: May 27, 2018, 08:45:46 pm »
So there it is, it's the input amplifier.  :popcorn:

 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #107 on: May 27, 2018, 08:53:10 pm »
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It no problem, is it the way it should be?
Sorry, I know very bad speak English. I hope you understand my question.
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #108 on: May 27, 2018, 09:11:03 pm »
It happens like that on all Rigol Scopes. The Rigol front ends may be a little bit more sensitive to this than expected, especially so for the DS1000Z series since there is only one "hard switching point" between 500mV and 200mV (x1 range) -- when you can actually hear the relay clicking. All the other ranges are selected by the VGA frontend in the A/D converter. Thsi means, if you supply a rather high input signal and step from 500mV ro 200mV, the analog frontend amplifier is switched to high sensitivity and it doesn't need much signal beyond the displayable range to saturate it. I got trapped by that a few times as well but it isn't much of a problem if you get used to it. Of course, it's a handicap if you've got to zoom in on small details within a high amplitude signal. I guess here you've simply got to look at the price for the instrument and take it as an acceptable compromise. I'ts much more annoying that my MSO4000 isn't performing much better...  ::) Got to use my venerable analog TEK 2465 if I've got to do measurements like that...

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #109 on: May 27, 2018, 09:49:09 pm »
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It no problem, is it the way it should be?

Should it be this way? That's a philosophy question.

Your oscilloscope is OK, if that's what you mean.  This is normal behavior. :popcorn:

(but not ideal behavior, we can agree)

It happens like that on all Rigol Scopes.

Not only Rigol.
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #110 on: June 08, 2018, 02:44:07 am »
Has Rigol supplied a link to this firmware on any site other than its Chinese site? Is there any potential issue with installing the firmware on a scope purchased in North America? I assume that the firmware should be identical for all regions, but I don't understand why it's only showing up on a Chinese language site.
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #111 on: June 08, 2018, 02:48:57 am »
Rigol just isn't that organized, apparently, when it comes to their firmware release process. C'est la vie.

Folks here have installed it on NA scopes just fine.
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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #112 on: June 08, 2018, 02:54:15 am »
Has Rigol supplied a link to this firmware on any site other than its Chinese site? Is there any potential issue with installing the firmware on a scope purchased in North America? I assume that the firmware should be identical for all regions, but I don't understand why it's only showing up on a Chinese language site.

I installed first the Chinese site, then the one that modified janekivi, to correct the error of spelling of "pluses" by pulses, probe back to install the original one worked and then I returned to install of janekivi, so everything perfect.

in spanish
yo instale primero la del sitio chino, luego la que modifico  janekivi, para corregir el error de ortografia de "pluses" por pulses, probe volver instalar  la original funciono y luego volvi a instalar  de  janekivi, asi que todo perfecto.
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2018, 02:59:36 am »
Rigol just isn't that organized, apparently, when it comes to their firmware release process. C'est la vie.

Folks here have installed it on NA scopes just fine.

Thanks!

I installed first the Chinese site, then the one that modified janekivi, to correct the error of spelling of "pluses" by pulses, probe back to install the original one worked and then I returned to install of janekivi, so everything perfect.

in spanish
yo instale primero la del sitio chino, luego la que modifico  janekivi, para corregir el error de ortografia de "pluses" por pulses, probe volver instalar  la original funciono y luego volvi a instalar  de  janekivi, asi que todo perfecto.

Muchas gracias!
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2018, 02:19:30 am »
Hi,

I just updated the new firmware by janekivi on DS1054z

but still the system info screen is showing  Ver: 00.04.04.SP3, Board Ver: 0.1.1

why is like that?
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2018, 03:46:17 am »
s8548a, the normal system info screen doesn't display the entire version number. To reveal more details, press in rapid succession, Menu -> Menu -> Force -> Menu -> Utility -> System -> System Info

Then, you'll see the full version information.
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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #116 on: August 06, 2018, 01:11:26 am »
Looks like v00.04.04.03.05 is available on the NA site now.

https://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/1000z/

That big spark at power up was by design!
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #117 on: August 06, 2018, 08:53:04 am »
Thanks for the update, Miti. That took them a while.
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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #118 on: August 07, 2018, 12:29:40 am »
I upgraded yesterday and I can confirm that the traces align better to the indexes... if you do the self cal after it warms up. I haven't seen any other "pluses" yet.
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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #119 on: August 07, 2018, 02:25:02 am »
is there a download link where I can get the file without registering?
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #121 on: August 07, 2018, 03:22:34 am »
is there a download link where I can get the file without registering?

Have a look at the Rigol DS1000Z Firmware/Buglist thread. OP always gets updated with the most current direct download link!

Would make a nice sticky here, but oh well...

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #122 on: August 07, 2018, 11:58:09 am »
is there a download link where I can get the file without registering?

Just type anything. It doesn't have any verification.
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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #123 on: August 07, 2018, 07:54:30 pm »
It’s not a new update though, it came out in April.
 

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Re: New firmware Rigol DS1000Z 00.04.04.03.05 2018-05-09 (2018-02-28)
« Reply #124 on: August 07, 2018, 08:10:02 pm »
hmmm, yep. No need to get excited. Nothing new here. :-(
 


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