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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2018, 09:07:29 am »
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2018, 09:09:42 am »
And an application video on:

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2018, 12:41:12 am »
Updated USA Tektronix/Keithley web page, starting MSRP $1,140;
https://www.tek.com/tektronix-and-keithley-digital-multimeter/dmm6500

All related DMM6500 available downloads;
https://www.tek.com/search?keywords=dmm6500

Someone needs to do a side by side comparison of the DMM6500 and Keysight 34465A.
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2018, 04:46:51 pm »
Yes, it has a fan. It is rather quite, but noticable (and a bit annoying) in a quiet office. I did not notice a dust filter in the prototype.


What about bzzzzzzzzzzz sound when the unit is off?  :-BROKE
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2018, 05:35:55 am »
All Farnell stock is gone on DMM6500 in just a week and no reviews/videos/impressions... Just curious while waiting for a delivery.
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2018, 09:16:31 am »
Yes, it has a fan. It is rather quite, but noticable (and a bit annoying) in a quiet office. I did not notice a dust filter in the prototype.


What about bzzzzzzzzzzz sound when the unit is off?  :-BROKE

Is there somebody got this DMM6500?
My unit is keep making a transformer noise...when is off...  :wtf:
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2018, 08:01:06 pm »
My DMM6500, bought from Farnell April 17th, was finally delivered yesterday.

Apart from unboxing and turning it on, I didn’t have the chance to fully test the new meter.
I also have a DMM7510 and a 2450, so I’m already familiar with the user interface and I should say I’m a huge fan. Comparing with the other instruments with this UI, I could see a few subtle changes in DMM6500 UI.
As this meter supports a MUX card, there are some new menu items for this functionality. Although I didn’t test it, it seems very easy to manage MUX channels and create a scan script for data acquisition.
There are also some new menu items (and a front panel button) dedicated to apps. Some demo apps come preloaded in the instrument. 

My first impressions (no serious performance test performed so far):
This is a very nice 6.5 digit meter and a “killer” at this price (under 1,000 Euros).
If there are no performance issues (not expected form a manufacturer such as Keithley), this is probably the best meter on the market in this segment!  :-DMM  :-+

I’ll be traveling the next few days, so away from the lab and unable to play with the new toy…  :'(


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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2018, 05:35:20 am »
Just got my DMM6500. Added two quick videos that indicate difference in noise and startup time between DMM6500 and Keysight 34461...for those who are interested: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBE6HV-VWdbL9xBSPX-mOKA
 
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2018, 06:37:30 am »
Just got my DMM6500. Added two quick videos that indicate difference in noise and startup time between DMM6500 and Keysight 34461...for those who are interested: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBE6HV-VWdbL9xBSPX-mOKA

Can you hear any noise coming from DMM6500 when powered off?

You might be quite close to the unit, but very noticeable...  unplug a power cable (quiet) and plug it again (bzzzzz)...  :-BROKE
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2018, 11:30:25 am »
Just got my DMM6500. Added two quick videos that indicate difference in noise and startup time between DMM6500 and Keysight 34461...for those who are interested: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBE6HV-VWdbL9xBSPX-mOKA

Noise-wise from your video, it looks like the sound level is about the same, but the 34461A has a higher pitch whine while the DMM6500 has a broader band swoosh?
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2018, 11:52:28 am »
Sounds like a variable speed fan, that's nice.  Wish the 7510 had that.

Really curious if they implemented the internal temp correction algorithm like on the 7510.  Need to connect the 6500 to a stable voltage reference, power it on and look the the warmup plot.  Also like to see how quickly the 6500 comes to a stable reading.  The 7510 only needs about 2 min for ppm stability.
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2018, 04:19:36 pm »
LaurentR: Yes, that's a good description. I was a bit disappointed by the "high pitch whine" when I bought the 34461A. Sounds a bit "cheap". I think I prefer the sound from the DMM6500. I wish there was a "silent" mode where the fan was almost turned off. I could accept reduced measurement accuracy is such a mode.
olkipukki: I can hear some minor transformer "hum" when I keep my ear closer than 10cm from the case. When the power cord is connected but the instrument turned off.
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2018, 05:21:35 pm »
Time for Dave to look what's reference is inside   :popcorn:
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2018, 09:32:05 pm »
Ohh just came across this thread. Looks nice! I sold my 34465A about half a year ago since I don’t really “need” a bench meter and I prefer the mobility of handheld DMM’s as they’re much easier to move around the desk and all... but this looks... tempting!

I just wish it wasn’t so deep though. Per data sheet the DMM6500 is almost 9cm deeper than the 34465A (387mm for the DMM6500 & 303mm for the 34465A.) It’s not a super big difference and this may seem like me nitpicking but some parts of my bench are only 70cm deep due to a pillar... lol.

I think the biggest feature of the DMM6500 that really kills the 34465A is that you don’t have to spend money on stupid software licenses. For the 34465A you only have 50Kpts memory and 5,000Rdgs/sec unless you pay for one option to unlock 2Mpts memory and then ANOTHER to unlock 50,000Rdgs/sec.

And that’s just damn bloody stupid... not to mention they’re expensive options.

So if I were to choose between the DMM6500 and 34465A now it would be the DMM6500 no contest just on the basis that the DMM isn’t artificially gimped by licenses. And I’m saying this as a big Keysight fan girl, almost all my equipment is HPAK. Sorry Keysight.
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2018, 11:01:55 pm »
Faith, im a faithful fan of fanless fun too   ;D
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2018, 02:59:09 am »
Hi,

Just received the device. First impressions - loads not as fast as hmc8012, but fast enough. Need to get used to - too manyf settings, buzzer is somewhat strange - not as usual, different and it has some kind of delay - it will sound 1 second regardless of what is going on with continuity, would be nice if Keithley will add setting for its sound and delay. Capacitors measurement is strange - not sure if it is been tested enough on caps that have been soldered on pcb, HMC8012 does caps better. A bit awkward way for making device boot with last settings - have to save a script and store it to "autoexec". Interesting software (KickStart), but you'll have to restart the device after using it - it reconfigures it in some way, so you don't know (if not familiar enough) what to do and where to run for it to behave as usual (triggers, I think).
But overall - nice device, I like it.
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2018, 05:50:40 pm »
Unfortunately, Keysight stopped producing my favorite multimeter 34410A.
Now i need install second multimeter to my measurment rack. I have long thought about buying 34465A... but now I found Keithley DMM6500 which  has greater measurement accuracy in datasheet.
In addition, the DMM6500 is cheaper than the 34465A, 6500 has a wider functionality, and the refresh rate of the display is much faster as i see on youtube video.

Also in our country delivery time is too diference:
- DMM6500 delivery time 8-9 week(new, from manufactures, 2018 year callibration)
- 34465A usaly 1-2 week(new, distributor stock, but 2016-2017 year callibration)  :--
- 34465A 10-14 weeks (new, from manufactures, 2018 year callibration)

I love my Keysight instruments, but i think Keithley do more superiorly DMM. After fraud with a "free" BenchVue, and also licensing any features in devices and any bolts(34465A-DIG,34465A-MEM and many other options) i want try another manufacturer.   :palm:
Keysight should think about it!

I buy DMM6500, after 8-9 week must receive it!  :popcorn:
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #67 on: May 22, 2018, 12:01:15 am »
Was looking for this item and still noticed it is out of stock on Farnell  |O but it seems to be available here https://www.distrelec.de/en/multimeter-benchtop-trms-ac-dc-1000-vdc-10-adc-keithley-dmm6500/p/30108747?ext_cid=prnaanadeen-Keithley Also is it me or is that quite a low price? Maybe they got it wrong?
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #68 on: May 22, 2018, 12:03:16 am »
Nope, the price is right. A bit high, like 50 euro more than it was at farnell, I think. All stock was gone in 1 week after the initial release.
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2018, 12:10:36 am »
I would love to see a few good hi-res photos with the cover off.
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2018, 01:39:05 am »
I am tempted to buy a DMM6500 but I will be waiting to see if anyone will report any big or small bugs.
 
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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2018, 08:53:27 am »
How does the DMM6500 compare to the DMM7510? Just 6.5 digits instead of 7.5 and a little less storage (7 million standard records instead of 11 million)? I am looking at getting an instrument to quantify the current draw of an IoT design that spends most of its life at <10uA but occassionally wakes up and pulls up to 20mA.
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2018, 09:50:48 pm »
Only just saw this.
Interesting.
The 34461A is a few bucks cheaper here in Oz, but basically the same price. See it's not killing on the price front.
Another spec vs spec and feature vs feature debate, might be a hard to make a general call on this?
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2018, 11:07:09 pm »
Only just saw this.
Interesting.
The 34461A is a few bucks cheaper here in Oz, but basically the same price. See it's not killing on the price front.
Another spec vs spec and feature vs feature debate, might be a hard to make a general call on this?

Dave,

The new DMM6500 has digitizing capabilities (1 MS/s) so it should be compared to Keysight 34465A, which costs more than 34461A (about 250$ USD).
Additionally, DMM6500 base model includes digitizing feature as well as 7 M readings memory; Unfortunately, both these features are paid options for KS 34465A.

So, unless KS revises 34465A pricing, DMM6500 is a real “killer” in the 6.5 digit bench DMM segment.
 

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Re: New Keithley DMM6500 and now DAQ6510
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2018, 11:23:27 pm »
Only just saw this.
Interesting.
The 34461A is a few bucks cheaper here in Oz, but basically the same price. See it's not killing on the price front.
Another spec vs spec and feature vs feature debate, might be a hard to make a general call on this?

The new DMM6500 has digitizing capabilities (1 MS/s) so it should be compared to Keysight 34465A, which costs more than 34461A (about 250$ USD).
Additionally, DMM6500 base model includes digitizing feature as well as 7 M readings memory; Unfortunately, both these features are paid options for KS 34465A.

So, unless KS revises 34465A pricing, DMM6500 is a real “killer” in the 6.5 digit bench DMM segment.

Ok, but what if you don't need a fast digitiser?
 


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