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Offline elmohandis

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #275 on: February 17, 2017, 10:54:42 AM »
in like flin!!
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #276 on: February 17, 2017, 12:48:47 PM »
Can Aussies enter the keysight comp in post #1?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #277 on: February 17, 2017, 03:07:12 PM »
Can Aussies enter the keysight comp in post #1?

Yes you can now enter your country even if it is not on the list ;)
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #278 on: February 17, 2017, 03:12:07 PM »
in like flin!!

To be grammatically correct it is actually:

"In like Flynn", a reference to the actor Errol Flynn who was known to like a bit.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #279 on: February 17, 2017, 03:44:21 PM »
Can Aussies enter the keysight comp in post #1?

Yes you can now enter your country even if it is not on the list ;)
Yes you can do that but it does not change the eligibility. If you have to enter your country in 'Other' then you are not eligible.
Eligible countries are listed in the T&C's.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #280 on: February 17, 2017, 04:19:08 PM »
Yes you can do that but it does not change the eligibility. If you have to enter your country in 'Other' then you are not eligible.
Eligible countries are listed in the T&C's.

Yep, tried to enter and selected "other" as country and error message came up about not being eligible....oh well.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #281 on: February 17, 2017, 04:26:36 PM »
Yep, tried to enter and selected "other" as country and error message came up about not being eligible....oh well.

Ah, someone has fixed it then.
I did the same yesterday (for kicks, I knew I wasn't eligible) but it went through no problems.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #282 on: February 17, 2017, 09:44:28 PM »
:wtf: Is this the 1990's?

No, it's the 50's:

Maximum input voltage 150 Vrms, 200 Vpk

And it comes with switchable probes too.  :palm:
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The same shit like the Rigol , Siglent and Rohde & Schwarz . 200 Vpk is the same like 400 Vpk to pk . Not better and not worse . But 400 V on the Siglent and Rigol sells better  :-DD
« Last Edit: February 17, 2017, 09:48:05 PM by WackyGerman »
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #283 on: February 17, 2017, 10:36:30 PM »
I hate Bode plotters that work with that stepped frequency method.  It not only takes forever to cover the frequency range, but by skipping between discreet frequency steps you can miss resonances/strange behaviors that might happen to be in between the steps.  Real continuous swept sine or full band "white noise" frequency response is sooooo much better and there is nothing keeping an instrument like this from doing either method.

Can you determine phase response from a white noise signal source?

Edit: figured it out... http://www.dr-jordan-design.de/Download/Examples_filter_butterworth.pdf
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #284 on: February 17, 2017, 11:14:39 PM »
Yep, tried to enter and selected "other" as country and error message came up about not being eligible....oh well.

Ah, someone has fixed it then.
I did the same yesterday (for kicks, I knew I wasn't eligible) but it went through no problems.

Mine went through as well !! Surely with a lot of Agilent representation in Australia and Dave in Sydney they weren't going to ignore us aussies !!
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #285 on: February 17, 2017, 11:57:05 PM »
Dave, are you going to do a comparison between the new Keysight and Rigol 1000z series ?

People probably expect that.
So eventually I guess.

Isn't the Rohde & Schwarz HMO1232 not more in the same league for the X-1000 series than the Rigol 1000z?

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #286 on: February 17, 2017, 11:58:39 PM »
The question is, can we hack it?  :-/O

Also, no decoding options for the EDUX1002G? Why? That means no/less training signals? CAN? RS232? LIN?
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #287 on: February 18, 2017, 12:30:43 AM »
Thanks Dave for the video.  It looks well made and compared to the market, its really seems designed to replace the aging 1000, deal with the new 2011 RoHS directive older devices, such as the venerable 3458a, have problems with, and unify the UI of its DSO lineup.

If priced right, it could compete in the marker/hobby market.  But, even if priced >= 1054z, it's still cheaper than the 2000X series that advance labs choose over the 1000, save on the AWG and bench space.  Higher end colleges may be in cycle to replace aging labs relatively soon.

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #288 on: February 18, 2017, 12:43:53 AM »
Awesome! Can a long suffering Pisces win one in his birth month? Well maybe it will work...lol
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #289 on: February 18, 2017, 12:48:51 AM »
:wtf: Is this the 1990's?

No, it's the 50's:

Maximum input voltage 150 Vrms, 200 Vpk

And it comes with switchable probes too.  :palm:
 :scared:


The same shit like the Rigol , Siglent and Rohde & Schwarz . 200 Vpk is the same like 400 Vpk to pk . Not better and not worse . But 400 V on the Siglent and Rigol sells better  :-DD

Siglent 400Vpk. Keyshit  is 200Vpk.

It is not same as 400Vpp (Vpk to pk)

(in spec sheet: 1 M? ?400 Vpk (DC + Peak AC <=10 kHz)

I have never tested so that I connect 230Vac directly to input.  It have "only" 325Vpk (if it is pure sine). And my scope calibrator (Tek CG5011) have only max 200Vpk @ 10kHz

  :-DD  or |O
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #290 on: February 18, 2017, 01:20:17 AM »
Who really cares what the maximum input voltage on the scope is? You're going to use a 10X probe anyway, just get one which is higher rated.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #291 on: February 18, 2017, 01:40:53 AM »
I hate Bode plotters that work with that stepped frequency method.  It not only takes forever to cover the frequency range, but by skipping between discreet frequency steps you can miss resonances/strange behaviors that might happen to be in between the steps.  Real continuous swept sine or full band "white noise" frequency response is sooooo much better and there is nothing keeping an instrument like this from doing either method.

Can you determine phase response from a white noise signal source?

Edit: figured it out... http://www.dr-jordan-design.de/Download/Examples_filter_butterworth.pdf

The answer is yes. HP had at least a couple of instruments that could do this the HP3562A and the HP3563A. They are FFT based. I have the control loop of  a switching power supply using a noise source. I had to do this because the power supply could not run for a long enough time for swept or stepped frequency measurements.

With these instruments you can use averaging, so after each measurement you would get better and better results until the result stopped changing.

For a frequency response analyzer, FRA, to be useful for switching power supply measurements, it must reject all frequencies except the frequency being injected. The scope might use FFT to do this.

If Daniel is reading this, I am very disappointed that the FRA (Bode plots) is available for the DSOX3000 T but not the A series. The product is DSOX3PWR

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #292 on: February 18, 2017, 03:35:30 AM »
If Daniel is reading this, I am very disappointed that the FRA (Bode plots) is available for the DSOX3000 T but not the A series. The product is DSOX3PWR

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #293 on: February 18, 2017, 04:03:00 AM »
Who really cares what the maximum input voltage on the scope is? You're going to use a 10X probe anyway, just get one which is higher rated.

Of course this is partially true but also it is good to not share "alternative truth" so it was just for correct the false claim. Not for starting any kind debate about this. You do not care. I care, and I need care. Simple.
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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #294 on: February 18, 2017, 04:39:22 AM »
For a frequency response analyzer, FRA, to be useful for switching power supply measurements, it must reject all frequencies except the frequency being injected. The scope might use FFT to do this.

KS 3000T does not seem to do so. It is not very useful in measuring stability of noisy power supplies as it is not a tuned receiver like a VNA - when the measured signals gets noisy the 3000T has massive problems in measuring amplitude and phase. We have also seen 3000T go totally nuts (as in having an EMC susceptibility problem which turns the instrument useless) in measuring a noisy power supply like an off-line flyback.

E5061B however makes a good job of stability measurements, with 3000T we could not complete those measurements at all.

If Daniel is reading this, I am very disappointed that the FRA (Bode plots) is available for the DSOX3000 T but not the A series. The product is DSOX3PWR

I would be a bit cautious about wanting that option for a 3000 series scope, it may have its uses but at least with us, not so much. YMMV.
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #295 on: February 18, 2017, 05:18:17 AM »
If Daniel is reading this, I am very disappointed that the FRA (Bode plots) is available for the DSOX3000 T but not the A series. The product is DSOX3PWR

Noted

I agree, this would be a really nice feature to see on the 3000A X-series. Is there any chance of the code being back ported into the 3000A firmware please Daniel?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #296 on: February 18, 2017, 06:13:18 AM »
:wtf: Is this the 1990's?

No, it's the 50's:

Maximum input voltage 150 Vrms, 200 Vpk

And it comes with switchable probes too.  :palm:
 :scared:


The same shit like the Rigol , Siglent and Rohde & Schwarz . 200 Vpk is the same like 400 Vpk to pk . Not better and not worse . But 400 V on the Siglent and Rigol sells better  :-DD

Siglent 400Vpk. Keyshit  is 200Vpk.

It is not same as 400Vpp (Vpk to pk)

(in spec sheet: 1 M? ?400 Vpk (DC + Peak AC <=10 kHz)

I have never tested so that I connect 230Vac directly to input.  It have "only" 325Vpk (if it is pure sine). And my scope calibrator (Tek CG5011) have only max 200Vpk @ 10kHz

  :-DD  or |O

Yes you re right . The 1000X Series has 400 Vp max input . But the older 1000 DL , CML etc. have 400 Vpp input . Sorry for the fault  :-[
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #297 on: February 18, 2017, 06:20:26 AM »
Siglent 400Vpk. Keyshit  is 200Vpk.

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I feel I have to ask it again.

Are you capable of making posts where you don't go around insulting products you don't sell?
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #298 on: February 18, 2017, 06:28:14 AM »
:wtf: Is this the 1990's?

No, it's the 50's:

Maximum input voltage 150 Vrms, 200 Vpk

And it comes with switchable probes too.  :palm:
 :scared:

Sorry for the newbie question... I noticed professionals seem to universally hate switchable probes, but how else do you guys measure low level signals? Those of us buying this class of scope will probably not have the money for specialized probes. I mean depending if the specs are good at both settings, it's an attractive choice for budget conscious beginners. :-//
 

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Re: NEW 100MHz Keysight Scope Release on 1st March 2017
« Reply #299 on: February 18, 2017, 06:45:12 AM »
:wtf: Is this the 1990's?

No, it's the 50's:

Maximum input voltage 150 Vrms, 200 Vpk

And it comes with switchable probes too.  :palm:
 :scared:

Sorry for the newbie question... I noticed professionals seem to universally hate switchable probes, but how else do you guys measure low level signals? Those of us buying this class of scope will probably not have the money for specialized probes. I mean depending if the specs are good at both settings, it's an attractive choice for budget conscious beginners. :-//
For the aged, we did not have switchables, only fixed and you're quite correct switchables are very convenient BUT and big BUT one must be very careful in their use. In the case of this KS using 1:1 probes it could be easy to damage an input with too much voltage applied. US mains voltages are less challenging than most of the rest of the world.
Hence a preference for 400V input rated DSO's.  ;)
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