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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4100 on: May 26, 2018, 09:27:37 pm »
I’m aware of that. Might be just my personal preference to have things neatly sorted in perfectly well labeled boxes, so I can always find what I was looking for.

How would you find things you weren't looking for?

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4101 on: May 26, 2018, 10:33:59 pm »
How would you find things you weren't looking for?

This is a forum, not a library.

Easy: "Show unread posts since last visit" is my go-to landing page :)
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4102 on: June 02, 2018, 09:38:28 am »

Where is a source for the new firmware?
Can´t find any...
It seems, the usual website (This) only provides the old version 00.04.03.02.03.

Read this thread:

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-firmware-ds1000z-00-04-04-03-05-2018-05-09-(2018-02-28)/

You'll find a download link in message #70. It's an edited firmware without the 'pluses' errors... ;)

I thought Rigol released an official update?

They did...

http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-firmware-ds1000z-00-04-04-03-05-2018-05-09-(2018-02-28)/msg1531235/#msg1531235

Yes, well I navigated to post #70 as instructed and found a rogue ZIP file attached.

That "rogue" zip file is the official release with a helpful correction: Pulses is correctly spelled. :-+
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4103 on: June 02, 2018, 12:51:53 pm »
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4104 on: July 06, 2018, 05:22:29 pm »
Hi guys, please is there any way to feed math results to measurement functions controlled by the left-side buttons? Typically measuring parameters of a differential signal calculated by A - B.

Thanks a lot for any hints,

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4105 on: July 06, 2018, 05:44:31 pm »
Hi guys, please is there any way to feed math results to measurement functions controlled by the left-side buttons? Typically measuring parameters of a differential signal calculated by A - B.

Measure -> Source -> Math.

After that the items on the left will turn to the color of the math trace (purple) and you can display them.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4106 on: July 06, 2018, 06:49:14 pm »
Fantastic, thanks a lot!
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4107 on: July 06, 2018, 07:01:33 pm »
Fantastic, thanks a lot!

It's really a user interface fail, IMHO.

When you press 'math' twice there's a little light that lights up next to the multifunction knob to let you know that the vertical controls will apply to the math trace but the measurement icons on the left don't change to match.

Note that you can also add the math values to 'Measure all':


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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4108 on: July 07, 2018, 03:58:45 am »
Yeah, it can be tough to pack in so much stuff with few direct-access controls. You have to build up a mental model of the various menu trees, which isn't all that user friendly. Oh the joys of modern technology. But it is cool to have so much functionality.
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4109 on: August 24, 2018, 08:31:27 am »
Sorry I am sure this has been covered before and I see some threads on my quiry and I also see some contraindications which confuses.

Just purchased a secondhand DS1054Z which has had the 100MHz hack upgrade applied. Currently the firmware is reported as being 00:04:02:SP3  board is reported as 0.1.1 looking at the release notes the firmware date is 21/10/2014 (Australian date convention as all will be below)

Where I am confused is if I go to the Rigol website http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3 and go to support the latest firmware is showing as 00:04:04:03:02 dated the 2/6/2017. Now I have found another member here "Shock" post up this url as where you get the firmware update from http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/fs/blocks/showLandingPage/a/1579/p/p-0019/t/page/fm/0 where it is shows the latest firmware is 00:04:04:03:05 dated the 28/4/2018. In the release notes of this firmware version it doesn't recognise 00:04:04:03:02???  Is "beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com" an official Rigol site, is this where the latest is at?

All the release updates up and until the variation I have listed above are the same. It is only the latest update that differs.

Looking at the release notes there are sufficient bug fixes and indeed features added that would justify in my application upgrading to the latest firmware. My current firmware is actually one version back from the infamous jitter issue which features prominently here on the forum so at least by my counting 7 possibly 8 firmware revisions behind the current.

Would appreciate those in the know letting me know what is the official Rigol latest firmware is?

Also is there any issue applying firmware updates to a hacked DS1054Z?

Cheers...

Update: Looking into the beyondmeasure.rigol.com it appears this might be a USA based Rigol location....

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4110 on: August 24, 2018, 09:07:46 am »
There's a firmware thread here somewhere with the links needed. The most recent is also available patched to change pluses into pulses.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4111 on: August 24, 2018, 11:22:39 am »
Fantastic, thanks a lot!

It's really a user interface fail, IMHO.

When you press 'math' twice there's a little light that lights up next to the multifunction knob to let you know that the vertical controls will apply to the math trace but the measurement icons on the left don't change to match.

Note that you can also add the math values to 'Measure all':




How in the world did I miss Rigol's #1 DS1000z fan dissing their UI?

You can also press Math and the other 'Math' soft key to get the same effect. I had not noticed the little light next to the MF knob! But I seemed to have figured it out. That's a good tip to know.

Are you aware of other reasons for that light? I bet I could learn 300% more about this scope from you.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4112 on: August 24, 2018, 11:26:50 am »
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Just purchased a secondhand DS1054Z which has had the 100MHz hack upgrade applied. Currently the firmware is reported as being 00:04:02:SP3  board is reported as 0.1.1 looking at the release notes the firmware date is 21/10/2014 (Australian date convention as all will be below)

Where I am confused is if I go to the Rigol website http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3 and go to support the latest firmware is showing as 00:04:04:03:02 dated the 2/6/2017.
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If you are confused by the versions naming, there's a way (menu-menu-force-menu in the trigger IIRC) and then go to look at the FW version again in your scope and will appear as the full code. Also shows a few other options in different parts of the scope. Turn off and on and go back to normal life.

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4113 on: August 24, 2018, 11:32:48 am »
Where I am confused is if I go to the Rigol website http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3 and go to support the latest firmware is showing as 00:04:04:03:02 dated the 2/6/2017. Now I have found another member here "Shock" post up this url as where you get the firmware update from http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/fs/blocks/showLandingPage/a/1579/p/p-0019/t/page/fm/0 where it is shows the latest firmware is 00:04:04:03:05 dated the 28/4/2018. In the release notes of this firmware version it doesn't recognise 00:04:04:03:02???  Is "beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com" an official Rigol site, is this where the latest is at?

All the release updates up and until the variation I have listed above are the same. It is only the latest update that differs.

Yeah, Rigol isn't very good about keeping their sites in sync, nor the level of detail of their release notes. The latest version is 00:04:04:03:05 and there's a thread about it at http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-firmware-ds1000z-00-04-04-03-05-2018-05-09-(2018-02-28)/

Forum member janekivi fixed the "Pluses" typo to "Pulses" in his mod of this version and linked to it in post #70 of that thread.
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4114 on: August 24, 2018, 02:40:40 pm »
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Just purchased a secondhand DS1054Z which has had the 100MHz hack upgrade applied. Currently the firmware is reported as being 00:04:02:SP3  board is reported as 0.1.1 looking at the release notes the firmware date is 21/10/2014 (Australian date convention as all will be below)

Where I am confused is if I go to the Rigol website http://int.rigol.com/Support/SoftDownload/3 and go to support the latest firmware is showing as 00:04:04:03:02 dated the 2/6/2017.
...

If you are confused by the versions naming, there's a way (menu-menu-force-menu in the trigger IIRC) and then go to look at the FW version again in your scope and will appear as the full code. Also shows a few other options in different parts of the scope. Turn off and on and go back to normal life.

JS

Thanks for your and all other member help to date.....appreciated.

Here is the status when the menu>menu>force>menu is performed. (see image below)

I saw in some earlier post that doing an update with bootloaders 0.0.1.3 and earlier cause an issue and some scope were bricked. I believe this was with earlier firmware updates, can anyone confirm if the latest F/W update v00:04:04:03:05 has address the earlier bootloader version update issue and in particular the bootloader version I have of 0.0.1.2??

I only saw a couple of mentions of an issue and it seems v00:04:04:03:05 is working OK with recent members post however they didn't state what version bootloader they had on their system. If someone can confirm a successful update from the 0.0.1.2 bootloader that would give me some wonderful warm fuzzies! :)

Thanks again for all your input!

Cheers,

Update: The modified v00:04:04:03:05 zip file fixing the "Pluses" and "Pulses" " typo mentioned that member janekivi posted link is now broken.

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4115 on: August 24, 2018, 03:45:53 pm »
I made a comment on one of these threads that I was suspect of that rogue FW. Maybe it is just as bitseeker says.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4116 on: August 24, 2018, 04:17:02 pm »
I have found another member here "Shock" post up this url as where you get the firmware update from http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/fs/blocks/showLandingPage/a/1579/p/p-0019/t/page/fm/0 where it is shows the latest firmware is 00:04:04:03:05 dated the 28/4/2018.

Correct.

Would appreciate those in the know letting me know what is the official Rigol latest firmware is?

Up there^

Also is there any issue applying firmware updates to a hacked DS1054Z?

No.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4117 on: August 24, 2018, 04:21:04 pm »
How in the world did I miss Rigol's #1 DS1000z fan dissing their UI?

I've dissed the UI on many occasions.  :popcorn:
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4118 on: August 24, 2018, 04:53:08 pm »
There is a certain level of integrity in that, I mean in contrast, ya know...
 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4119 on: August 24, 2018, 07:14:56 pm »
I like to think I only add balance to the people who diss the entire device.

The difference between owning a scope/not owning a 'scope is like night vs. day.

The difference between owning a Rigol or something that (until very recently) cost three times as much? Not as much as the Rigol haters would like people who come here looking for buying advice to believe.
 
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4120 on: August 25, 2018, 03:23:26 pm »
"I saw in some earlier post that doing an update with bootloaders 0.0.1.3 and earlier cause an issue and some scope were bricked. I believe this was with earlier firmware updates, can anyone confirm if the latest F/W update v00:04:04:03:05 has address the earlier bootloader version update issue and in particular the bootloader version I have of 0.0.1.2??"

My scope had a bootloader and revision that suggested it would be prone to that bug but I have been able to update without trouble. I am currently on the patched version mentioned above and all is well.


 

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4121 on: August 25, 2018, 03:35:31 pm »
"I saw in some earlier post that doing an update with bootloaders 0.0.1.3 and earlier cause an issue and some scope were bricked. I believe this was with earlier firmware updates, can anyone confirm if the latest F/W update v00:04:04:03:05 has address the earlier bootloader version update issue and in particular the bootloader version I have of 0.0.1.2??"

My scope had a bootloader and revision that suggested it would be prone to that bug but I have been able to update without trouble. I am currently on the patched version mentioned above and all is well.

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4122 on: September 06, 2018, 02:34:26 am »
Hello, all

If i unlock 100MHz bandwidth in my new 1054z then warranty is void. Why? Device will be work in a tense mode? Will be overheat? Or etc..
 
How it does affect to the hardware?

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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4123 on: September 06, 2018, 02:49:03 am »
The warranty may be void. Whether or not it would be is a legal matter, which could be country-specific and may or may not coincide with what's written in the manufacturer's warranty stipulations.

Enabling 100MHz does not make the scope do anything it isn't designed to do already. It simply enables functionality that is turned on by default on the DS1104Z, but was disabled on the DS1054Z.

However, keep in mind that Rigol does not sell a bandwidth upgrade key for the DS1054Z. So, if something else on the scope has a problem that requires you to send it in for warranty service, they may have something to say about the "unofficial" upgrade or they may not. If the scope is still working, you can remove the upgrade before sending it in.
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Re: New Rigol DS1054Z oscilloscope
« Reply #4124 on: September 06, 2018, 03:04:50 am »


Enabling 100MHz does not make the scope do anything it isn't designed to do already. It simply enables functionality that is turned on by default on the DS1104Z, but was disabled on the DS1054Z.


Thx

So.. unlock is better or without effect?

1104 & 1054 have a identic hardware?

 


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