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Offline extronic

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New Rigol DS7000
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:35:39 pm »
Have you seen?

http://www.rigol.com/File/TechDoc/20180515/MSO7000&DS7000_QuickGuide_EN&CN.pdf
http://www.rigol.com/File/TechDoc/20180515/MSO7000&DS7000_DataSheet_CN.pdf only Chinese, but have a look on photos and tables

Quick spec:
  • 100-500MHz bandwidth
  • 10" multipoint touch screen
  • 10GSa/s ADC
  • refresh rate 600 000 waveforms per sec
  • memory for 450 000 waveforms
  • HDMI for extrernal display
  • 2 channel waveform generator
  • 16 channel logic analyzer
  • RS232/UART, I2C, SPI, CAN, LIN, I2S, FlexRay, MIL-STD-1553 decoding

Wonder if it's hackable :D :D :D
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 06:29:53 pm »
I wonder who designes their new line of products. Just look at the "quick" button  :palm:
 Is it a toy with matching shaped buttons or a serious tool?

However spec sheet looks interesting.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 08:04:01 pm »
Yes, the Rigol designer did create some quite 'special' designs in the past year.
I have no idea, what they intend. Probably something like "oh, this button with the cutout at the top right corner has already been used 5 times now. This is boring, lets now use one with a cutout on the lower left area..... and then some with a missing top left corner ..... and now lets use one rotated by 90° to show that we are progressive".
And these strange moving lines to group buttons - yuck.
Probably the user shall call him lucky that they do not use blinking RGB LEDs all over the unit.
If you look closely at the screenshot you can see that this 'design' is also been used in the software itself.
User friendly is defined differently..... I am so glad that I can use my boring Keysight DSOX4000 series scope.

Anyway, here the datasheet is available in English: http://emin.vn/media/uploads/mso7000.pdf

Edit: I added a picture where I noted some of the thoughts the Rigol designer might had during the design.
.... and a website with a (useless) video and two pictures of the PCB of the DS7000 scope: http://www.rigol.com/DS7000/DS7000.HTML
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 08:08:22 pm »
Actually usability is a good reason to have some different shape/size buttons, some different grouping lines etc.  But, that scope design might not be a good example on how to use them :P
 
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 08:33:56 pm »
Found a site with prices. Never heard of them, but here they are:

https://www.yoycart.xxxxx/Product/570032364221/ (replace "xxxxx" with "com")

$3572.23 - DS7014 (100MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$5759.01 - DS7024 (200MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$12944.13 - DS7034 (350MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$16737.52 - DS7054 (500MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$5580.50 - MSO7014 (100M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)
$7811.90 - MSO7024 (200M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)
$14506.12 - MSO7034 (350M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)
$18968.93 - MSO7054 (500M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)


Edit: The prices above are wrong (or not in USD). See below: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-rigol-ds7000/msg1603999/#msg1603999
« Last Edit: June 13, 2018, 04:59:33 am by nrxnrx »
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2018, 09:26:53 pm »
OMG  :o I can buy Rohde&Schwarz RTB2004 with all options for 3600 EUR.
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 09:42:24 pm »
OMG  :o I can buy Rohde&Schwarz RTB2004 with all options for 3600 EUR.
Yes, but the RTB2004 is pretty limited in many aspects. This DS7000 scope should probably be compared to the RTM3000 series.
Also: 3600 Euro = $4200, thus no big difference (though nobody know what the Rigol options will cost), but the RTB2004 will offer much less than the DS7000 for the money.
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 09:57:07 pm »
OMG  :o I can buy Rohde&Schwarz RTB2004 with all options for 3600 EUR.
Yes, but the RTB2004 is pretty limited in many aspects. This DS7000 scope should probably be compared to the RTB3000 series.
Also: 3600 Euro = $4200, thus no big difference (though nobody know what the Rigol options will cost), but the RTB2004 will offer much less than the DS7000 for the money.
What exactly do you mean with "much less"?
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 10:20:27 pm »
https://gsmserver.com.ua/nfs/product/876444/file/MSODS7000.pdf

Interesting details..


@extronic  much less in every aspect... read the info..

We'll see how mature it will be at release... But in theory, very interesting...

 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 10:33:37 pm »
If the prices are right then it is very expensive. Especially for a Rigol. The R&S RTM3000 is a better candidate to compare against (but the RTM3000 has 10bit ADCs, 1GHz and a higher resolution screen for the same price). The Rigol presentation never mentions the number of ADC bits. Also the 10Gs/s is a bit misleading. With 4 channels you have 2.5Gs/s.
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2018, 11:50:35 pm »
Looks like a ds4000 replacement, hopefully with more polish this time. If any of the Chinese manufacturers are going to have a chance of fighting in the pro market they're going to have to offer superb quality. Why would anyone risk ordering one for work instead of the well established brands, regardless of value.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 12:28:33 am »


'wondering why 10GS/s (per channel, as per the data sheet...) for 500Mhz max ?????

or they'll show up with higher bandwidth models later on...  but anyway, if the mentioned prices are correct, 19K for a 500Mhz MSO sounds pretty ridiculous... one could probably get a Keysight S-Series, R&S RTO or many other higher-end scope for that money...   
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 01:18:14 am »
Hi, played with it at Hamradio Friedrichshafen last Weekend. (only DS7054)
It feels like the MSO4024 which i have at work only better, thanks to the touch screen.
The Exhibitors says it's 7XXX€ for MSO7054 without any Options.
I added Scans from the flyer.
You can now use 4 decoders at the same time. (who needs 4 at the same time :wtf: )
 
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 02:30:24 am »
You can now use 4 decoders at the same time. (who needs 4 at the same time :wtf: )
4 is really pretty much. Seldom I use three at one time, usually I need only one or two.
Even better: at Rigol this means bi-directional decoder, not this Rohde&Schwarz bullsh*t where (RTB2004) each direction uses one of the two available decoder (thus Rx and Tx: no decoder left - or: MOSI and MISO: no decoder left).
As Rigol counts one decoder always as a bi-directional decoder,  for R&S (in their counting scheme), this would mean the DS7000 does come with 8 decoder!
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2018, 05:40:29 am »
Actually usability is a good reason to have some different shape/size buttons, some different grouping lines etc.  But, that scope design might not be a good example on how to use them :P

If that "Quick" button is designed to be used with the thumb then it looks fine to me.



Cute, but it's not as if you need to read the text on that button more than, like, twice in your entire life.

If that button is there instead of pushing the multifunction knob then you'll be praising deity when you actually have to use this 'scope.

(and if not, then  :palm: :palm: :palm: Rigol)
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2018, 06:06:26 am »
Specs look promising... but it's really too bad it's only an 8 bit converter.  If they could have gotten to 10 bits or so that really would be high end scope specs.  I guess with so much sampling rate, you can probably get an effective 10 or 11 bits even on a 500MHz signal, but still, if the bandwidth cap is 500MHz, I'd certainly prefer more bits out of the ADCs over higher sample rate.

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2018, 06:25:53 am »
It looks to me like the real news is Rigol is announcing its series of ASICs called "Ultravision II" Family. Seems to consist of differential probe, frontend, ADC and clock / processing ASIC. The presentation shows they really don't need a lot of expensive periphery, except the RAM and some nondescript dual core application processor. So a lot more of the customer money gets into their pocket, less of the money gets into the pockets of FPGA, ADC, frontend, clock IC makers. I would say it is big news for Rigol and we will see a whole family of new devices based on this, being released in the expensive to cheap order. I also would say this marks a milestone in the growth of Rigol and shows they really think big and have deep pockets, developing all these ASICs at once. Also note they develop ASICs for what is scope specific (=expensive) and leave out the mass market stuff (RAM, AP).
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2018, 06:51:42 am »
I would say it is big news for Rigol and we will see a whole family of new devices based on this, being released in the expensive to cheap order.
I tend to agree. Which was the last new Rigol scope Dave has showed / tore down? It wouldn't surprise me if it is the DS1054Z from a few years ago.
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2018, 07:00:26 am »
Specs look promising... but it's really too bad it's only an 8 bit converter.  If they could have gotten to 10 bits or so that really would be high end scope specs.  I guess with so much sampling rate, you can probably get an effective 10 or 11 bits even on a 500MHz signal, but still, if the bandwidth cap is 500MHz, I'd certainly prefer more bits out of the ADCs over higher sample rate.

They couldn't drop the sample rate much since it halves for 2, and 4 channels. So at 4 it's just 2.5gs/s.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2018, 08:32:43 am »
They couldn't drop the sample rate much since it halves for 2, and 4 channels. So at 4 it's just 2.5gs/s.

Oof, yeah I see that now.  I suppose it's probably a single asic scope, then?  I assume that means we'll likely see a higher end variant with a pair of asics with a couple years time at the new top end... though at the pricepoint of these, would having two asics in one scope so they could manage 5Gs/s on 4 channels even be competitive with stuff at the 20k+ pricepoint they'd likely be at?  I guess that's all conjecture, but maybe there's a different version of the same core/chip that will come into a new higher end version - I assume there will be cut down derivatives of this on the lower end, in time, too.

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2018, 11:58:01 pm »

On page 6 (section1), they mention "up to 10GS/s real-time sample rate per channel"

But from the rest of the data sheet, pretty unclear...
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2018, 04:40:06 am »
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"up to 10GS/s real-time sample rate per channel"
Marketing people are using such a wording to say 10GS/s with single channel only. They would not write "up to" in case of 4x10GS/s, they would write "10GS/s real-time per channel" :)
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2018, 03:21:22 pm »
Hi Guys,

Tom here from Emona Instruments in South Australia

You may be aware that we are the Australian and New Zealand distributor for Rigol with head office in Sydney.

We are currently working on pricing and information for the new 7000 series, should be on our website soon.

EDIT 20-06-18: pricing is here http://www.emona.com.au/ds7000/
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2018, 09:09:37 pm »
here is the exact spec:
10 GSa/s (single-channel), 5 GSa/s (dual-channel), 2.5 GSa/s (four-channel)

memory analog channels:
- standard
100 Mpts (single-channel), 50 Mpts (dual-channel), 25 Mpts (four-channel)
- with option 250Mpts
250 Mpts (single-channel), 125 Mpts (dual-channel), 50 Mpts (four-channel)
- with option 500Mpts
500 Mpts (single-channel), 250 Mpts (dual-channel), 125 Mpts (four-channel)

memory digital channels 62.5Mpts

European public launch date (with prices) June the 12th

All models with pricing, data sheet, user manuale etc. will be active on June the 12th at 00.01

More info, just ask, bye ;)
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2018, 02:27:39 am »
The automatic measurements have a bloody small font again as in DS2000. That is bad.
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