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Offline Gallymimus

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2018, 03:44:18 am »
Found a site with prices. Never heard of them, but here they are:

https://www.yoycart.xxxxx/Product/570032364221/ (replace "xxxxx" with "com")

$3572.23 - DS7014 (100MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$5759.01 - DS7024 (200MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$12944.13 - DS7034 (350MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$16737.52 - DS7054 (500MHz 4-channel 10GSa s)
$5580.50 - MSO7014 (100M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)
$7811.90 - MSO7024 (200M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)
$14506.12 - MSO7034 (350M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)
$18968.93 - MSO7054 (500M 4 16-channel Logic 10G)

Wow those prices are MUCH higher than the ones listed on Rigol's own website:

DS7014   100 MHz   4      NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $2,699   
DS7024   200 MHz   4      NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $3,699   
DS7034   350 MHz   4      NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $6,999   
DS7054   500 MHz   4      NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $9,999   
MSO7014   100 MHz   4   16   NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $3,999   
MSO7024   200 MHz   4   16   NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $4,999   
MSO7034   350 MHz   4   16   NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $8,299   
MSO7054   500 MHz   4   16   NA   500 Mpts   600,000 wfms/s   $11,299   
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2018, 04:55:33 am »
Thanks! I updated my post to point to yours.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2018, 04:59:55 am »
I wonder if the 100MHz models can be hacked to become 500MHz. Since all models have the same sample rate, it's quite possible that they also have the same front end. However, I wonder if the 10Gs sample rate is enough to compete with the R&S 16bit DACs. What do you guys think?
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2018, 05:09:28 am »
New info on Rigol's website, price, specs and some videos
https://www.rigol.eu/products/digital-oscilloscopes/7000/

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2018, 05:24:37 am »
> Options
> Bandwidth Upgrade
> DS7000-BW1T5
> 7000 Series Bandwidth upgrades from 100 MHz to 500 MHz

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 07:30:33 am »
Wow, there is search and navigation.
Amazing machines. http://www.youtube.com/user/denha (It is not me...)
 
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2018, 03:20:29 am »
The prices seem to be pretty much on par with the R&S RTM3000 if you go for a similar configuration. I don't think the 500Mpts memory depth option is included in the prices listed a few postings back.
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2018, 03:35:10 am »
Yea, I try not to be a snob but if the price between rigol and rtm3000 are similar I'd never consider the rigol. Unless reviews show it is actually a pretty good scope.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2018, 05:06:10 am »
On the low end there's a pretty big difference: $2600 vs $4200. Also, the rigol has zone trigger and 10x the wfm/s -- but the R&S has 10bit.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2018, 08:02:38 am »
Yea, I try not to be a snob but if the price between rigol and rtm3000 are similar I'd never consider the rigol. Unless reviews show it is actually a pretty good scope.

Hopefully Dave and/or Shahriar will get their hands on one soon, if it can at least keep up, maybe it will even drive the price of the segment down.

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2018, 11:03:53 pm »
Rigol has one very useful function, namely Histogram!
By R&S one can find Histogram first in RTA series (unreasonable costly).
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2018, 02:22:31 am »
Thanks for all the interest on the new scopes. We have been working hard on video content that describes all of the new features in the 7000 Series. We have put together a set of landing pages with that content as well as some videos showing head to head differences between the Rigol 7000 and some competitive scopes. I wanted to share this link for those looking for more information:

https://www.rigolna.com/DS7000

Now that the product is released we are happy to answer any questions.

RIGOL USA Office:
www.rigolna.com
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877-474-4651
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2018, 02:54:01 am »
Here is the link to https://www.tequipment.net/Rigol/DS7014/Digital-Oscilloscopes/
and https://www.tequipment.net/Rigol/MSO7014/Mixed-Signal-Oscilloscopes-(MSO)/

You can easily see the full series with prices.

We think this scope will be a winner.  We are offering 60 days return rights plus our eevblog discount on the units.

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TEquipment.NET
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2018, 03:35:45 am »
Yea, I try not to be a snob but if the price between rigol and rtm3000 are similar I'd never consider the rigol. Unless reviews show it is actually a pretty good scope.

Hopefully Dave and/or Shahriar will get their hands on one soon, if it can at least keep up, maybe it will even drive the price of the segment down.

Yea, it has some really interesting things going on. Decodes are ~2k(or 900 if you need 1) and mem is ~1.4k. It feels like it's in a weird place max BW being 500mhz but everything else comparable to the "standard" 3000 series scopes, including price. For me the LA specs are a little disappointing for the price.
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2018, 03:52:53 am »
We think this scope will be a winner.
Then why do you have such a small amount in stock?  >:D
I visit quite a few companies and so far I've only seen A-brand oscilloscopes in this price bracket. If Rigol wants to have any chance to make a name for themselves and compete then the firmware has to work 100% from day one. I just did a price comparison and the pricing on the DS7000 series is pretty much on par with similar instruments from A brands. There is very little room for justifying a make-do scope with partly working firmware in a professional environment where time equals money. I'm sure people will say I'm too negative but let's be real: Rigol doesn't have a very good track record and fixing firmware on their higher end models has taken long in the past. I'm looking forward to some in-depth tests which go deeper than twiddling some knobs to see what is what.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2018, 04:57:20 am by nctnico »
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2018, 06:06:20 pm »
When reviewing on eevblog :) ?
Of course and teardown ....
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2018, 07:21:56 pm »
An oscilloscope in that price level is a "long term investment" for most users. Imagine year 2025 and an 8bit oscope sitting on your workbench..  Also probably no beefy sells without several independent in-depth reviews with teardowns..
PS: My bet the Rigol's bosses have started already to think on whether they do not miss a historical opportunity to become the clear winners by introducing the 70xx with 10bits instead of 8..
« Last Edit: June 17, 2018, 11:48:37 pm by imo »
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2018, 12:17:03 am »
I took a quick look at one web shop and if we compare similarly equipped RTM3004  and DS7014 (base scope + bundle)  RTM3004 is 6290€ (no VAT) and DS7014 is 3799€ (no VAT).  In that config RTM will have AWG and ARINC 429 protocol and Rigol won't.

If you compare similarly configured RTM3004 MSO and MSO7014, RTM is 7640€ (no VAT) and MSO7014 is 4799€ (no VAT). Rigol will have two channel AWG , and RTM will have ARINC 429 and spectrogram mode.

So if Rigol will not be buggy, prices are quite better for similar capabilities..  And Rigol does have 600K Wfms/for those that care about that.  It has 1Mpoint FFT, and histogram measurements.

That is for 100MHz base model. As BW goes up, there is less difference though..

It remains to be seen how DS/MSO7000 series looks in real life..

 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2018, 12:20:46 am »
An oscilloscope in that price level is a "long term investment" for most users. Imagine year 2025 and an 8bit oscope sitting on your workbench..

For general purpose work, 8 bit is just fine.. For power analysis, I would go with 12 Bit or more anyways ......
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2018, 02:42:50 am »
I took a quick look at one web shop and if we compare similarly equipped RTM3004  and DS7014 (base scope + bundle)  RTM3004 is 6290€ (no VAT) and DS7014 is 3799€ (no VAT).  In that config RTM will have AWG and ARINC 429 protocol and Rigol won't.

If you compare similarly configured RTM3004 MSO and MSO7014, RTM is 7640€ (no VAT) and MSO7014 is 4799€ (no VAT). Rigol will have two channel AWG , and RTM will have ARINC 429 and spectrogram mode.
True but in the region up to 200MHz there are many cheaper alternatives.
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2018, 03:06:27 am »
I took a quick look at one web shop and if we compare similarly equipped RTM3004  and DS7014 (base scope + bundle)  RTM3004 is 6290€ (no VAT) and DS7014 is 3799€ (no VAT).  In that config RTM will have AWG and ARINC 429 protocol and Rigol won't.

If you compare similarly configured RTM3004 MSO and MSO7014, RTM is 7640€ (no VAT) and MSO7014 is 4799€ (no VAT). Rigol will have two channel AWG , and RTM will have ARINC 429 and spectrogram mode.
True but in the region up to 200MHz there are many cheaper alternatives.

That is true...
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2018, 06:17:18 pm »
When reviewing on eevblog :) ?
Of course and teardown ....

I have not been contacted by Rigol
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2018, 11:03:51 am »
Australian Pricing is here: http://www.emona.com.au/ds7000/

DS-7000 SERIES (Inc. GST)            
DS-7014   100MHz, 4CH, 10GS/s   $4,754.20
DS-7024   200MHz, 4CH, 10GS/s   $6,514.20
DS-7034   350MHz, 4CH, 10GS/s   $11,310.20
DS-7054   500MHz, 4CH, 10GS/s   $15,328.50

Email: testinst@emona.com.au
« Last Edit: June 20, 2018, 11:07:00 am by EmonaSATom »
 
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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2018, 07:43:46 pm »
Canadian pricing is here: https://www.rigolcanada.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/7000/
Interestingly it's cheaper over here than in Oz :) But still expensive :(
 

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Re: New Rigol DS7000
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2018, 07:46:39 pm »
We will get demo unit and stock units on June the 26th . as soon as possible we will release some videos . if you like to see anything special just reply here or send me a DM. thanks.
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