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They probably had it waiting for when another company finally managed to compete with the DS1054Z (eg. the new Siglent).

 

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Chips with IDs:
  • X8106A
  • X14060

Names or Codenames:
  • ? (beta) Phoenix - up to 4GHz oscilloscope analog frontend/sampling chip
  • Ankaa - a 10 Gs/s (or 20 Gs/s "realtime") oscilloscope using ? Phoenix
  • ? (gamma) Phoenix - up to 6 GHz differential probe amplifier
  • UltraReal - Rigol's name for something in realtime spectrum analysis

Lastly, some enhanced pictures and some observations thereof:

  • The oscilloscope seems to have RGB lighted buttons like some new scopes, but maybe not.
  • The oscilloscope seems to have 14 knobs.
  • It appears to have some kind of MegaZoom-like search functionality.
  • All 14 knobs have are pushable
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  • The oscilloscope seems to have at 7 context buttons (one set of seven, instead of two sets like the 1054z) plus Menu Off and Back
  • It has up to two function generator outputs on the front panel.
  • The oscilloscope remains 10 divisions wide.
  • The SA has 3 front USB ports for some reason...
  • The SA could have room for a tracking generator, it's just in shadow if it's there.
  • The SA has, in addition to the expected modes, PvT modes. This is Power versus Time realtime analysis which is probably recomputing the spectrum data into the frequency domain. This should be something like zero span on swept spectrum analyzers (whereas this is implemented in the realtime portion)
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They probably had it waiting for when another company finally managed to compete with the DS1054Z (eg. the new Siglent).

I think all of the equipment mentioned so far is much higher end than the 1054z market and its constituents. Both of these devices would probably be the highest end device Rigol sells in their respective markets.
 

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They probably had it waiting for when another company finally managed to compete with the DS1054Z (eg. the new Siglent).

I think all of the equipment mentioned so far is much higher end than the 1054z market and its constituents. Both of these devices would probably be the highest end device Rigol sells in their respective markets.

Agree. Why would they replace the DS1000Z series now, which is by far the most recently introduced of their scope series? The new platform will probably start out at the top of their range, and eventually (over the next few years) percolate down to the 2000 series and the 1000Z series segment.
 

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The big question is how mature that chipset is, and whether their next low-end scope model will already be based on their own taped chipset, or if they will still introduce a Zynq SoC based low-end scope model in between.

Exciting times at least! And many innovations from Rigol to come! Clearly a big player with a strong vision!
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i hope that thing doesnt have:

1) crawling slow GUI.
2) crawling small FFT
3) buggy data output from visa programmable command USB line.
4) "pluses"

those are very well known rigol reputation. we are eyeing other brand like Siglent etc... so watch out rigol, you dont listen to your customers you will lose a large chunk of them.
if something can select, how cant it be intelligent? if something is intelligent, how cant it exist?
 

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i hope that thing doesnt have:
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Excellent and valuable input. Thank you for pointing out this major technology risks which are so often overlooked.

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To me as a Tek 11A33 user I should notice that Rigol paid attention to some analog aspects of the AFE which are overlooked for decades by the big players.

"" ? Phenicis" chip up to 4GHz , integrated digital oscilloscope analog front end of all the functional modules required, but also includes 1M ? input electronic attenuator , to achieve fast and really "quiet" silent gear switch; The chip uses a unique circuit design, its 1M ? mode overload recovery time reduced to 0.5% of existing products. The chip only need to add a small amount of external components to form an oscilloscope analog front-end channel, revealing the " simple is beautiful " system design and greatly improve the digital oscilloscope consistency and reliability. "

In addition to post a 0.5% recovery spec on a product conference beside NI they are to my knowledge the only one who design a relay-less AFE. And this all w/o the big wording machines!
 

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Oooh
New scope and spectum analyser coming.
Photos of the hybrid front end on the new 6GHz diff probe.





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Chip is the core technology of digital oscilloscope, after no one domestic enterprises on the digital oscilloscope chip for independent research and development. RIGOL as the first digital oscilloscope research and development, manufacturing enterprises, which has a profound understanding and understanding, has been independent research and development of core chip technology vision. After 10 years of painstaking research and development, this conference RIGOL display by the three chips composed of "Phoenix" (Phoenix) digital oscilloscope chipset. One of the most dazzling "stars" is the world's most integrated oscilloscope analog front-end chip, code-named " ? Phenicis" ( named after a star in Phoenix ) .
" ? Phenicis" chip up to 4GHz , integrated digital oscilloscope analog front end of all the functional modules required, but also includes 1M ? input electronic attenuator , to achieve fast and really "quiet" silent gear switch; The chip uses a unique circuit design, its 1M ? mode overload recovery time reduced to 0.5% of existing products. The chip only need to add a small amount of external components to form an oscilloscope analog front-end channel, revealing the " simple is beautiful " system design and greatly improve the digital oscilloscope consistency and reliability. It can be said that " ? Phenicis" is the digital oscilloscope industry "Dream Chip" (the core of the dream).
In addition to analog front-end chips, RIGOL also demonstrated an oscilloscope signal processing chip with 10GSa / s data acquisition capability , codenamed " Ankaa ", and a differential probe amplifier with a bandwidth of up to 6GHz , code "? Phoenicis" .
"Phoenix Block" is RIGOL independent research and development , with independent intellectual property rights of the chipset. Marking the field of digital oscilloscope in China broke through the core chip technology, but also RIGOL 19 years of digital oscilloscope technology accumulation and 10 years of chip research and development investment in a centralized display.
 

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They have done away with the button down the left side, and it's clearly a touch screen with the bottom menu screen items and no buttons underneath.
 

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The chipset contains ADC, amp, and control ASIC?

 

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The big question is how mature that chipset is, and whether their next low-end scope model will already be based on their own taped chipset, or if they will still introduce a Zynq SoC based low-end scope model in between.

Yes, I'm sure they will, because they are totally into this Zync fetish thing! 
And the obvious marketing move is to announce a proprietary high-end chipset, and then ship a lower midrange SoC product...  ???
 
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They probably had it waiting for when another company finally managed to compete with the DS1054Z (eg. the new Siglent).

I think all of the equipment mentioned so far is much higher end than the 1054z market and its constituents. Both of these devices would probably be the highest end device Rigol sells in their respective markets.

I've heard that the DS6000 sales have been tanking for a long while now. Probably the replacement for that.
You have to shoot for the top market to rover such obviously high R&D costs.
And if this really is a dedicated ASIC, then that's a huge step for Rigol, makes them a big player.
 
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4) "pluses"

those are very well known rigol reputation. we are eyeing other brand like Siglent etc... so watch out rigol, you dont listen to your customers you will lose a large chunk of them.
Concur on the other 3 problems and others, but, come on! The "pluses" is now the family trademark!

Assuming that they do a good job, the "pluses" feature should "help engage the operator through stimulation of laugher reactions with subsequent release of positive energy" (in marketingish blabber)  :-DD

Now, seriously. The "pluses" thing is amusing. I will miss it!
 
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They probably had it waiting for when another company finally managed to compete with the DS1054Z (eg. the new Siglent).
I think all of the equipment mentioned so far is much higher end than the 1054z market and its constituents. Both of these devices would probably be the highest end device Rigol sells in their respective markets.
I've heard that the DS6000 sales have been tanking for a long while now. Probably the replacement for that.
You have to shoot for the top market to rover such obviously high R&D costs.
And if this really is a dedicated ASIC, then that's a huge step for Rigol, makes them a big player.
It will all depend on whether the firmware is working when released. The professional market is unforgiving when it comes to that. It doesn't make sense to buy a scope and put it onto a shelve for 3 years hoping the firmware is ready after that.
There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.
 

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http://www.eeworld.com.cn/Test_and_measurement/article_2017060819416.html
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"?Phoenicis" chip up to 4GHz bandwidth, integrated digital oscilloscope analog front-end all the required functional modules, including 1M? input input electronic attenuator, to achieve fast and really "quiet" silent gear switch; The unique circuit design, the 1M? mode overload recovery time reduced to 0.5% of existing products. The chip only need to add a small amount of external components to form an oscilloscope analog front-end channel, revealing the "simple is beautiful" system design and greatly improve the digital oscilloscope consistency and reliability. It can be said that "?Phoenicis" is the digital oscilloscope industry "Dream Chip" (the core of the dream).

In addition to analog front-end chips, RIGOL also demonstrated an oscilloscope signal processing chip with 10GSa / s data acquisition capability, code-named "Ankaa", and a differential probe amplifier with a bandwidth of up to 6GHz, code "?Phoenicis".

"Phoenix Block" is RIGOL independent research and development, with independent intellectual property rights of the chipset. Marking the field of digital oscilloscope in China broke through the core chip technology, but also RIGOL19 years of statistics and 10 years of chip research and development investment in a concentrated display.
 

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http://instrument.ofweek.com/2017-06/ART-8320088-8220-30141900.html
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At the conference, Pratt & Whitney demonstrated a new digital oscilloscope prototype equipped with the latest technology, equipped with the "Phoenix" chipset and UltraVision II technology platform, with 4 GHz analog bandwidth, 20GSa / s real-time sampling rate. The company also demonstrated the first UltraReal technology-based real-time spectrum analyzer prototype, DL3000 series programmable DC electronic load products.
"Rigol indeed domestic instruments instrumentation industry leader in oscilloscopes living in the forefront of domestic products; although compared with Tektronix, Agilent and other international companies there is a gap, but the company has been committed to being a premier electronics Test and measurement equipment company. "Insiders said.
Data show that the source of fine electricity was established in July 1998, is the industry's leading electronic measuring instruments research and development, production and marketing of high-tech enterprises, the main electronic measurement products and chemical analysis products, and other two categories of products; High-performance digital oscilloscope has won several international awards, breaking the foreign technology blockade, changed the high-end digital oscilloscope products in China completely dependent on the status of imports and blank. At present, the company has applied for 554 patents, of which 83.7% for the invention of patents, authorized the number of patents 275.


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It will all depend on whether the firmware is working when released. The professional market is unforgiving when it comes to that. It doesn't make sense to buy a scope and put it onto a shelve for 3 years hoping the firmware is ready after that.

It does set apart the wannabe players.
 

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Jaysus, you would think they would hire at least one technical writer who was at least semi conversant with English.
 

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Jaysus, you would think they would hire at least one technical writer who was at least semi conversant with English.

The quotes you read above are Google-translated; the only publications so far seem to be on Chinese web sites.
 

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i hope that thing doesnt have:
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Excellent and valuable input. T

Got to hand it to him, he never misses a chance to bash Rigol.  :palm:

 

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Got to hand it to him, he never misses a chance to bash Rigol.  :palm:

It did take them > than a year to fix the random crashing on the 4000 series.


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