Rigol DS1000Z now comes unlocked

[simone.pignatti]

Looks like to offer has now got to the UK, Telonic say
RIGOL SOFTWARE OPTIONS BND-MSO/DS1000Z (deeper memory, record & replay, advanced trigger functions and serial-bus analysis) are now included for FREE! with the purchase of a new DS1054Z
http://www.telonic.co.uk/Rigol-DS1054Z-4ch-50MHz-Digital-Oscilloscope-p/ds1054z.htm

you have 6 posts and 6 links to telonic website ... not bad

it is an official Rigol EU promo

[jgalak]

Seems like TEquipment has it now, too.  (no association with them, just noticed while browsing their site)

[simone.pignatti]

Yes. USA started this promo before Xmas

[EEVblog]

Looks like to offer has now got to the UK, Telonic say
RIGOL SOFTWARE OPTIONS BND-MSO/DS1000Z (deeper memory, record & replay, advanced trigger functions and serial-bus analysis) are now included for FREE! with the purchase of a new DS1054Z
LINK REMOVED

"Johnbrown" actually works for Telonic.
Classic astroturfing.

[Simon]

Looks like to offer has now got to the UK, Telonic say
RIGOL SOFTWARE OPTIONS BND-MSO/DS1000Z (deeper memory, record & replay, advanced trigger functions and serial-bus analysis) are now included for FREE! with the purchase of a new DS1054Z
LINK REMOVED

Except that this IS Telonic, what a let down, I thought they were a nice company but seems they get up to the same tricks as the chinese.

[bd139]

Indeed. At least the Chinese don’t stick those bloody awful 3mm thick bubble sticker marketing labels all over their shit 

[EEVblog]

Looks like to offer has now got to the UK, Telonic say
RIGOL SOFTWARE OPTIONS BND-MSO/DS1000Z (deeper memory, record & replay, advanced trigger functions and serial-bus analysis) are now included for FREE! with the purchase of a new DS1054Z
LINK REMOVED

Except that this IS Telonic, what a let down, I thought they were a nice company but seems they get up to the same tricks as the chinese.

Astroturfing is pretty pathetic, and can be quite damaging in a niche market like this.

[Zermalmer]

So it is for sure usefull to remove also the related link from the quoted post of simone.pignatti (3 posts above yours)

[simone.pignatti]

The only thing is that they told me that they will need 7 days to send it to me...   
[/quote]
Rigol has informed the 7 days as standard delivery time for the free bundle
Maybe because of Xmas season.
Let’s see if this will change next week

[Zermalmer]

Ah ook, thanks

[Simon]

Looks like to offer has now got to the UK, Telonic say
RIGOL SOFTWARE OPTIONS BND-MSO/DS1000Z (deeper memory, record & replay, advanced trigger functions and serial-bus analysis) are now included for FREE! with the purchase of a new DS1054Z
LINK REMOVED

Except that this IS Telonic, what a let down, I thought they were a nice company but seems they get up to the same tricks as the chinese.

Astroturfing is pretty pathetic, and can be quite damaging in a niche market like this.

I take it they have your permission to use your video on their website? - at least as a courtesy.

[firewalker]

No explicit permission needed for sharing the video. You give your permission when you allow embedding.

Alexander.

[Simon]

Oh I see. Well I think I'll look elsewhere when I need a scope next time. I never understand why they supply that shitty little meter with a scope, as if you don't have a meter or two already some of which are probably already as shitty.

[bd139]

It's a good stress reliever for when you find another bug in the DG1022Z that came with the free meter:

https://youtu.be/s1eiwcRGb6Q

[firewalker]

Does the hardware of the DS1000Z, allow CAN bus decoding? I "don;t understand" the decision not to include it as an option. The last month I am ambivalent of what to choose. I really like this scope, but I would love CAN bus decoding. I don;t really need it, but I could use it for teaching purposes.

 

Alexander.

[frozenfrogz]

Slightly OT, but still lots of fun!

[ebastler]

I would love CAN bus decoding.

Yes, you said that four days ago. You can't expect Rigol to implement it that quickly.

My guess is they don't want to give you CAN bus decoding -- until they have to, due to competitive pressure, that is. In the meantime Rigol would prefer you to buy one of their more expensive scopes if you need CAN decoding. I can't see why it would be technically impossible to implement on the DS1000Z series; although Rigol's approach of decoding only what is on screen may be limiting for CAN messages?

[simone.pignatti]

I partially agree. When Rigol came with the product line it was well defined:
MSO/DS1000Z
MSO/DS2000A
MSO/DS4000
All models identify a application category.

But yes. Now the market has changed and I hope Rigol will change the game again.

I want to say it is not always easy to give free adds on for a manufacturer.

[Fungus]

Does the hardware of the DS1000Z, allow CAN bus decoding?

Probably.

I "don;t understand" the decision not to include it as an option. The last month I am ambivalent of what to choose. I really like this scope, but I would love CAN bus decoding. I don;t really need it, but I could use it for teaching purposes.

Why not use SPI or I2C decoding instead?

[simone.pignatti]

I fully agree CAN can be useful.
FYI I was told (not from Rigol brand) the oscilloscope manufactures has to pay a fee for every CAN decode they sell (like Bluetooth).
I don’t know if this is true or not....

[firewalker]

Why not use SPI or I2C decoding instead?

Because I teach automotive electronics to car technicians.  It is a standard via OBD-II. At me moment I use a logic analyzer + a scope to for CAN bus essentials.

Alexander.

[Simon]

You can buy CAN to USB adapters and then see the actual data if you don't need to see the actual square waves.

[rsjsouza]

I fully agree CAN can be useful.
FYI I was told (not from Rigol brand) the oscilloscope manufactures has to pay a fee for every CAN decode they sell (like Bluetooth).
I don’t know if this is true or not....

I know that CAN used to have royalties (Bosch), just like I2C (Philips?), I2S (Philips), SPI (Motorola), 1wire (Dallas). Perhaps several of these are expired, but I don't know...

[stj]

i cant see the relevance.
you arent implementing a canbus interface, your just displaying the data already present.

[Simon]

there is often a lot of confusion between "CAN bus" and "the J1939 standard" How CAN bus itself works is well documented and there are free programs for writing files for it so I doubt the hardware layer has licensing problems. You will find problems if you want say J1939 decoding but this is not CAN bus per se it's a protocol layer that sits on the hardware layer used in most vehicles. Where I work for example we tend to have two CAN buses in our ECU, one for the vehicle that talks the J1939 protocol and our own that just uses whatever we want and has nothing to do with J1939. I once bought a book by a muppet that pretended to explain the J1939 standard and I was suspicious when I bought it because J1939 does require a license. and in fact the book did not explain that much about J1939, it actually explained all about the hardware layer (3 times) and then waffed all over the J1939 standard without giving any detail other than a couple of examples. The book went straight back to amazon for the joke it was, there was so much repetition in it's 70 pages that it felt like Mr trump's inauguration speech....