Rigol DS1074Z Oscillosope

[Fungus]

I will also be getting the DS1054Z in the next week.
Hopefully somebody else will already try the "DSER" code. 

Nothing to be scared of. Rigol might do something so the keygens don't work any more but they're not going to brick scopes just because somebody enters an invalid code. They'd gain nothing and the user backlash simply wouldn't be worth it.

[Mandragora]

I wonder why Rigol does not offer any ETS in DS1000 and higher series. As You guys said it can help in some waveforms where some peaks could appear. Maybe Multi-level Intensity Grading Display is something what is designed to replace ETS, what do You think?

[tom66]

Intensity grading is completely different to ETS... you can have one and/or the other...
Since almost all function in the DS1000Z is on one massive FPGA, it may have come down to availability of logic space.

[David Hess]

I wonder why Rigol does not offer any ETS in DS1000 and higher series. As You guys said it can help in some waveforms where some peaks could appear. Maybe Multi-level Intensity Grading Display is something what is designed to replace ETS, what do You think?

It would certainly help with repetitive waveforms.

My guess is that they figure their high real time sample rates are good enough even though they are lower, in many cases orders of magnitude lower, then the equivalent time sample rates of very old DSOs.

Don't current low end real time Tektronix DSOs also forgo support for equivalent time sampling?

For two channel DSOs which have digital internal triggering and an external trigger, there is also a problem of supporting equivalent time sampling with both internal and external triggering.  How does the external trigger on a Rigol DSO which uses digital internal triggering perform?  Is there sample jitter between the external trigger and vertical input?  I have never seen this tested.

[andse]

I will also be getting the DS1054Z in the next week.
Hopefully somebody else will already try the "DSER" code. 

Nothing to be scared of. Rigol might do something so the keygens don't work any more but they're not going to brick scopes just because somebody enters an invalid code. They'd gain nothing and the user backlash simply wouldn't be worth it.

I got my DS1054Z today. The "DSER" code seems to work.

[Creep]

Awsome news. Guess this means I'm ordering it in the next week or so. 
Thanks.

[DanielS]

Intensity grading is completely different to ETS... you can have one and/or the other...
Since almost all function in the DS1000Z is on one massive FPGA, it may have come down to availability of logic space.

I do not think ETS requires much logic at all to implement: you do exactly the same thing as real-time and simply have a programmable trigger delay for each trigger; the digital persistence logic should be able to merge dots from multiple trigger passes into a dot accumulation waveform with little to no modifications.

To me, the most tricky part looks like it would be correlating the trigger's timing to the sampling clock so each trigger pass can be fitted correctly in the reconstructed waveform... easiest way I can think of would be to time the number of ETS clock cycles between trigger and ADC clock to calculate the relative offset between the two and where the pass' samples fit in the overall waveform.

[leppie]

I will also be getting the DS1054Z in the next week.
Hopefully somebody else will already try the "DSER" code. 

Nothing to be scared of. Rigol might do something so the keygens don't work any more but they're not going to brick scopes just because somebody enters an invalid code. They'd gain nothing and the user backlash simply wouldn't be worth it.

I got my DS1054Z today. The "DSER" code seems to work.

SWEET!  O0

Edit: Does that bump you up to 100Mhz?

[Mark_O]

The least typical use I have had for high bandwidth and sampling rate was locating a nasty noise source on a PCB by putting two probes across the ground plane and measuring the time delay between the noise spikes at both locations to calculate the source's distance from the probes. Turned out it was a driver conflict between my FPGA and an external bidirectional buffer - the FPGA was switching from in to out faster than the external chip could so I had to tweak timings a little further to fix my ground/power bounce issue.

That's a pretty slick technique.  Thanks, Daniel.   

[DanielS]

That's a pretty slick technique.  Thanks, Daniel.   

When you have overpowered tools, it always feels nice to come up with different and sometimes unexpected ways to use them. Before that incident, I never really thought I would actually find a need to measure voltage across a ground plane.

[toni31]

I got my DS1054Z today. The "DSER" code seems to work.

DS1104 at price of 1054!!!!!!WTF

[miguelvp]

I got my DS1054Z today. The "DSER" code seems to work.

DS1104 at price of 1054!!!!!!WTF

Don't forget with all "offcial" options.
I'm tempted but I don't need it.

[Warhawk]

Hi, I've just wanted to inform you, that I was able to generate all codes here:
http://riglol.3owl.com/

except "recorder option"

edit: hmm I used ds2000 section, I think DS1000z is new. I will check it out right after my holiday.

[kjetil_h]

I got my DS1054Z today. The "DSER" code seems to work.

SWEET!  O0

Edit: Does that bump you up to 100Mhz?

bump!
please verify?

[EEVblog]

I just ordered my DS1054Z...

I'm getting one too. Amazing price point for a 4 channel scope.
Anyone know if they have changed the hardware from the 1074Z? Or just decided to now offer a 50MHz software limited version at a lower price point?

[EEVblog]

What's going to happen to the DS1052E?
There's now only 60 Euros difference between a DS1052E and a DS1054Z. Who's going to go for the old 2-channel 'scope with smaller screen and less functions?
I expect to see people dumping them real soon.

Yep, it's now almost totally redundant, and about time, it is very long in the tooth.

[Fungus]

I just ordered my DS1054Z...

I'm getting one too. Amazing price point for a 4 channel scope.
Anyone know if they have changed the hardware from the 1074Z? Or just decided to now offer a 50MHz software limited version at a lower price point?

Wouldn't it cost them more to set up a separate production line for this scope than they'd save by removing a couple of components? (I assume the 1074Z is already pared to the minimum by now).

Me? I suspect this is preparation for dropping the DS1052E from their product line (which will save them money).

[poida_pie]

Who from Dave?

Dave said:

I'm getting one too. Amazing price point for a 4 channel scope.
Anyone know if they have changed the hardware from the 1074Z? Or just decided to now offer a 50MHz software limited version at a lower price point?

[Fungus]

I'm getting one too.
Anyone know if they have changed the hardware from the 1074Z? Or just decided to now offer a 50MHz software limited version at a lower price point?

I'm sure there's an EEVblog video in there somewhere....

[EEVblog]

Wouldn't it cost them more to set up a separate production line for this scope than they'd save by removing a couple of components? (I assume the 1074Z is already pared to the minimum by now).

Yeah, I suspect it's the same, but I'm just floating the idea out there. Maybe the 1074Z was borderline margin wise and they had to shave a few cents somehow?
It's usually not that expensive overall to run the same board and populate less parts for a lower model, if that's possible.
The 1054Z doesn't have the generator option. But I thinks that's the only difference?

Me? I suspect this is preparation for dropping the DS1052E from their product line (which will save them money).

No doubt.
Explains why they didn't do it a the initial release, they still had some sort of investment in the 1052E, maybe a whole bunch of parts they didn't want to write off?

[EEVblog]

Who from Dave?

Emona in Oz, they will have it for AU$439 ex
Insane price. I paid $700 for my 1052E!

[Fungus]

The 1054Z doesn't have the generator option. But I thinks that's the only difference?

Neither does the 1074Z.

Maybe you're thinking of the 1074Z-S (which costs a lot more than the 1074Z).

[EEVblog]

Neither does the 1074Z.
Maybe you're thinking of the 1074Z-S (which costs a lot more than the 1074Z).

Yes, I meant there is no 1054Z-S model.
So that could indicate different internals. But most likely just a marketing position thing.

[andse]

I got my DS1054Z today. The "DSER" code seems to work.

SWEET!  O0

Edit: Does that bump you up to 100Mhz?

bump!
please verify?

I unfortunately don't have the right equipment to measure that at home, but the scope thinks its an DS1104Z in the system info.

[toni31]

........a photo with model up left and the model on the screen will convince us......