Rigol DS1074Z Oscillosope

[hexpope]

Grrrr I've just found out that I got the "S" version by an accident. It would be a nice-to-have thing, but I did pay only for the ds1074z so I need to contact a distributor tomorrow and return it back. What a shame 

Interesting thing is that besides the functionality itself and a marking on the package (which I found later), a system menu does not show the "S" presence. System info just shows a ds1074z variant without mentioning the "S". There is nothing on a housing either.

So how do you know if you have the S version ? it looks like the Z version . I am in the market of obtaining one of these scopes on Ebay and would like to unlock some of the features too.  Is there anything I should look for so I get a proper version that can be unlocked ?

I presume asking the seller is the best option, but I am looking at sellers from China aswell.

Thanks for your help

[Warhawk]

I need to clarify that because my post seems to be confusing for others 
I opened up a package without paying extra attention for a bar code sticker with a model description. After playing with the scope for a while I realized that I have a function generator inbuilt. I would expect that the "S" version will be noted in a system info menu and on the scope housing too. Neither of it is a true.
The practical difference between "S" and non "S" variant is a presence of "Source" button next to a vertical amplifier knob and two extra BNCs for signal generator outputs. I found that next day after my post. It is quite obvious now but for someone who has never had DS1074 in hands it might be confusing.

It is clearly visible on these pictures:
http://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rigol-DS1074Z.html
http://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/Rigol-DS1074Z-S.html

note: be carefoulf, ebay shops often show a DS1074z-s for DS1074z auctions. Eg. here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161313572512

[hexpope]

Thanks Warhawk for the reply, yes you are right about the confusion about people that don't actually own the scope. Thanks very much for clarifying that up for me.

So given the model of scope, are you able to use the codes from the keygen to actually unlock the SPI, I2C, 100mhz, 24mpts etc ? with that model you have/had ?

Best regards

[Warhawk]

Your welcome Hexpope. I brought a non-s version to home this morning. A guy in the shop was very happy with me returning the better scope. He would have payed the loss from his own pocket probably and I feel much better, especially when I got a discount before 

 I have not tried to hack it yet. The scope has a "trial" period for all mentioned features, but I will try it anyway and keep you and others informed. I will probably not hack it to 100MHz unless I really need to. It won't improve analog bandwidth either.

edit: I had ds1074z-s and now I have ds1074z.
 

[hexpope]

I had ds1074z-s and now I have ds1074z.

Other than honesty, why would you prefer the Non "S" version without the FG ?

I noticed on that ebay listing the seller is listing it as a Non "s" version on the title, but in the description it states it has the FG in it.

So I gather looking at the price the seller is selling it for, it is actually just a normal DS1074Z version and not the "S" version ?

Sorry for all the questions, as I am really thinking of purchasing the unit. I currently have a OWON SDS7102V scope at the moment and looking to upgrade, and this seems like it's really nice for the price with the I2C and SPI decoding
 

[Warhawk]

I had ds1074z-s and now I have ds1074z.

Other than honesty, why would you prefer the Non "S" version without the FG ?

I noticed on that ebay listing the seller is listing it as a Non "s" version on the title, but in the description it states it has the FG in it.

So I gather looking at the price the seller is selling it for, it is actually just a normal DS1074Z version and not the "S" version ?

Sorry for all the questions, as I am really thinking of purchasing the unit. I currently have a OWON SDS7102V scope at the moment and looking to upgrade, and this seems like it's really nice for the price with the I2C and SPI decoding

I am not saying that a standard version without a generator is better, but I simply think that the tracking generator in "S" version is not worth the money. The second thing is that I do not consider having a generator in oscilloscope as a cool thing. BNCs on the back and a shared GUI for generator and oscilloscope is not my cup of coffee either.
For that price you can buy a used generator on ebay (last time I missed a great price for Tabor electronics generator) which are usually more powerful/handy.

To that ebay link - I think sellers use a general description for both variants. Regarding the price, it is definitely version without a generator.

[David Hess]

I might want the built in AWG if it was uniquely useful in combination with the oscilloscope but for the most part that is not the case.  I would expect such an instrument to do automatic low frequency scalar and vector network analysis but almost none of them do.

Some of the old Tektronix TDS oscilloscopes can do this with any external edge generator and some of the high end LeCroy oscilloscopes can also.

CircuitGear makes some USB oscilloscopes with built in AWGs which do this:

http://www.syscompdesign.com/CircuitGear-Mini_p_29.html
http://www.syscompdesign.com/CircuitGear_p_8.html

[sonic2000gr]

I have not tried to hack it yet. The scope has a "trial" period for all mentioned features, but I will try it anyway and keep you and others informed.

I've got the DS1104Z for about a month now and hacked it the second day.  I used this c-source file:

http://gotroot.ca/rigol/riglol.c

Compiled according to the instructions in the beginning of the file (used xubuntu linux). Works perfectly! (I have firmware version 4.00)
Unlocks other rigols too (DS2000/4000, DP832 etc. Have a look at the show_help function)

[TankaaKumawani]

The DS1074 looks like a contender, and a four-channel unit is a plus.  Unfortunately, they weren't available when I bought my scope last August, so I ended up with a (now hacked) DS2072.

[hexpope]

Got the scope today, and I must say it's a big plus from my older scope. I am really happy with it, and DSAB,DSAC,DSAE,DSAJ,DSEA gen works perfectly.4.01 SP2 Board version 0.1.1

[gmit77]

released yesterday September the 15th the 50MHz verison DS1054Z
this model will not come with FG integrated (S versione) and neither MSO
Euro price 299

http://www.batterfly.com/shop/rigol-ds1054z

 

[Creep]

So guys, start placing bets?
Wonder if the old hacks still work on this one as well. If so, the value-for-money just jammed through the roof for the DS1000Z series.
Though I'm probably not getting my hopes up just yet.

[hexpope]

So guys, start placing bets?
Wonder if the old hacks still work on this one as well. If so, the value-for-money just jammed through the roof for the DS1000Z series.
Though I'm probably not getting my hopes up just yet.

I don't know if that scope that gmit77 stated in the post above my previous one will support the Keygen. I presume somebody will have to buy one and test it.

[marmad]

released yesterday September the 15th the 50MHz verison DS1054Z
this model will not come with FG integrated (S versione) and neither MSO
Euro price 299

Wow, that's a great price - although that's without VAT.

[leppie]

So guys, start placing bets?
Wonder if the old hacks still work on this one as well. If so, the value-for-money just jammed through the roof for the DS1000Z series.
Though I'm probably not getting my hopes up just yet.

I don't know if that scope that gmit77 stated in the post above my previous one will support the Keygen. I presume somebody will have to buy one and test it.

I have ordered one, hopefully it will come soon 

[hexpope]

I have ordered one, hopefully it will come soon 

Let us how you get on when you get it regarding the Keygen !

[Orange]

Even if the keygen does not work, it's an absolute bargain for 355 euros (Batronix). Tektronix and Agilent is not going to like this with their low-cost bottom of the market models.

If I was in marketing at Tek and Agilent I would offer also a 4 channel, 50 MHz scope for the same or cheaper price (including 4 probes) 

[Fungus]

I've been saving up for a DS1074Z for ages (and wondering how to explain it to my wife), endlessly trying to convince myself the DS1052E wouldn't be bad (old design, only two channels).

Then today I saw this!!

If the keygen works then it's a sale. Today. Take my money, Rigol!

(Even if it doesn't...I might buy it anyway. I don't _really_ need the extra bandwidth but the serial decoder, etc. would be nice to have).

[leppie]

Just got a shipping update, will have it in about 2 weeks time 

[hexpope]

Just got a shipping update, will have it in about 2 weeks time 

Two weeks ? Is the unit actually not released yet ? or backlog ? Or are they shipping it by snail mail ?

[marmad]

Even if the keygen does not work, it's an absolute bargain for 355 euros (Batronix).

Two weeks ? Is the unit actually not released yet ? or backlog ? Or are they shipping it by snail mail ?

For those interested in one of the DS1054Zs here in the EU, I strongly suggest you PM (or email) EEVblog member Drieg (Petr Smid) to see if/when he might have them in stock (I don't see them listed on his site yet), because he will meet (and sometimes beat) Batronix deals - plus he's the nicest, most attentive dealer I've ever dealt with. He always sends me the latest FW updates as soon as he receives it. I would never buy a Rigol product (or anything he carries) in Europe without checking in with him first.

I sent my DS2000 to him for warranty repair of the Horizontal scale encoder, and he turned it around incredibly fast. Then months later, when he lent me a Siglent SDS2000 for review, he included 5 spare small knobs for my Rigol and a note which read, "I noticed a couple of cracks in your smaller knobs when I did the repair, but forgot to replace them - here are some extras." And I had never even noticed the cracks! He's just a great person to do with business with.

[Carrington]

I strongly suggest you PM (or email) EEVblog member Drieg (Petr Smid) ...

Totally agree, in fact, I bought my DS2072 to him.

[hexpope]

@marmad,

Now that sounds like the best customer service you can receive. I must bookmark that site for friends and future needs.

Thanks

[DanielS]

The DS1054Z is listed on Allied Electronic as a Keysight and currently uncategorized for $212 less than the DS1047Z. (I'm looking at Canadian prices - $456 vs $668)

If Allied had it in stock, I would have ordered one right now - I had been itching to get a DS1047Z for personal use for many months and was planning to buy one by the end of the week (I almost checked out on Allied an hour ago) before I read this.

[leppie]

Just got a shipping update, will have it in about 2 weeks time 

Two weeks ? Is the unit actually not released yet ? or backlog ? Or are they shipping it by snail mail ?

They will receive the stock in a week, then another week for shipping/customs. Got it from Tequipment.