Rigol DS2000 Hardware version 2.0

[Carrington]

But from what I've seen, the LA is a large FPGA+buffers, not easily modded in later, and the FG probably won't be a user-accessible add on. So I can't see any difference myself?

And how about the new routing on the PCB or the new arrangement of components and small parts that have been added or removed.

Devil is in the details.

[Hydrawerk]

Where will the function generator be located?? Will there be an added PCB?

[staze]

So, anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed? I see the 50R termination option, and seemingly a header for an LA... anything else?

Trying to figure out if I should just buy a 2072 now, or wait for the rev 2. I do plan to "hack" it.

Thanks!

[Carrington]

So, anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed? I see the 50R termination option, and seemingly a header for an LA... anything else?

Trying to figure out if I should just buy a 2072 now, or wait for the rev 2. I do plan to "hack" it.

Thanks!

"Anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed?" Please, read the full topic.


You can not wait. -> Go for the DS2000. -> You might regret. -> Maybe.
You can wait. -> For some time you can choose. ->

DS2000 can be expanded in the future. -> NO. -> You might regret. -> Maybe.
DS2000A can be expanded in the future. -> Maybe only the AWG, not the LA. -> If it is not possible. -> You tried.

DS2000 ->
DS2000A -> HW improved. -> More than probable.

DS2000 can be hacked. ->  Yes.
DS2000A can be hacked. -> Yes. Not yet

[flolic]

DS2000A has a potential for eventual future hardware upgrades. Other than that it's the same.
I ordered old hardware version few days ago and expecting it to arrive in a day or two. I don't need LA and AWG.
I didn't want to wait for a new version.

DS2000A -> HW improved. -> More than probable.

That's the real question. Is it improvement or cost cutting?

[Hydrawerk]

Ugh. Do I spot CapXon on that power supply?
I have pulled and replaced hundreds of those absolutely abysmal capacitors.

EPCOS = So-so
CapXon = Terrible

Why Rigol, why? Clearly no care to keep instruments functioning long past the warranty period.

Is it improvement or cost cutting?

I am afraid of cost cutting.

[arvidj]

Just a data point ...

Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.

It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.

After unpacking it ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

After doing the [Trigger menu][Menu7][Menu6][Menu7][Utility][System][System Info] it now says ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02
Hardware version: 1.0.2.0.0
FPGA version:
     SPU 03.01.05
     WPU 00.06.05
     CCU 12.29.00
     MCU 00.05

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows Trial Version 2076Minute
          NthEdge Trial Version 2076Minute
          HDTV    Trial Version 2076Minute
          Delay   Trial Version 2076Minute
          Timeout Trial Version 2076Minute
          Dur     Trial Version 2076Minute
          USB     Trial Version 2076Minute
DECODE    RS232   Trial Version 2076Minute
          SPI     Trial Version 2076Minute
          I2C     Trial Version 2076Minute
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Trial Version 2076Minute

And after the adjustment:

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows        Official Version
          NthEdge        Official Version
          HDTV           Official Version
          Delay          Official Version
          Timeout        Official Version
          Dur            Official Version
          USB            Official Version
DECODE    RS232          Official Version
          SPI            Official Version
          I2C            Official Version
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M        Official Version
BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth Official Version
BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth Official Version


I want to thank everyone that has worked so hard to make this possible 

[staze]

Just a data point ...

Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.

It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.

After unpacking it ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

[Carrington]

Just a data point ...

Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.

It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.

After unpacking it ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0

After doing the [Trigger menu][Menu7][Menu6][Menu7][Utility][System][System Info] it now says ...

Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02
Hardware version: 1.0.2.0.0
FPGA version:
     SPU 03.01.05
     WPU 00.06.05
     CCU 12.29.00
     MCU 00.05

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows Trial Version 2076Minute
          NthEdge Trial Version 2076Minute
          HDTV    Trial Version 2076Minute
          Delay   Trial Version 2076Minute
          Timeout Trial Version 2076Minute
          Dur     Trial Version 2076Minute
          USB     Trial Version 2076Minute
DECODE    RS232   Trial Version 2076Minute
          SPI     Trial Version 2076Minute
          I2C     Trial Version 2076Minute
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Trial Version 2076Minute

And after the adjustment:

Installed Options
TRIGGER   Windows        Official Version
          NthEdge        Official Version
          HDTV           Official Version
          Delay          Official Version
          Timeout        Official Version
          Dur            Official Version
          USB            Official Version
DECODE    RS232          Official Version
          SPI            Official Version
          I2C            Official Version
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M        Official Version
BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth Official Version
BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth Official Version


I want to thank everyone that has worked so hard to make this possible 

What is "Dur"? Never heard of it! Ok is duration, sorry. Identify a trigger condition by looking for the duration of a specified pattern.

[arvidj]

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.

[staze]

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.

Awesomesauce. Thanks!

[staze]

Sorry, just confirming since Rigen 2b1 seems to want me to use DSAZ rather than DSA9. You used DSA9, or DSAZ?

[staze]

Just used Rigen 2b1 with DSAZ and it worked perfectly. Serial number intact, shows as a DS2202 now, all options installed.

Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.

[arvidj]

Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?

Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.

I see that DSAZ is recommended as only turns on DS2202 and 200MHz.

DSA9 is not recommended as it turns on both DS2102 and DS2202 plus both 100MHz and 200MHz.

Does anyone know what issues I can expect by having used DSA9 and having "everything" turned on?

And the obvious follow on question ... How would I change it to DSAZ? The obvious answer ... "Generate a new key for DSAZ and enter it." did not appear make any difference to what was displayed in the options as both "BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth" and "BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth" are displayed. I also tried a key for DSAA in an effort to set it back to a plain Jane 2072 and nothing happened. I am left with the impression that "you can't easily go back".

It seems to have gotten the model part right as the System Info shows "Model: DS2202".

[monstr]

Just used Rigen 2b1 with DSAZ and it worked perfectly. Serial number intact, shows as a DS2202 now, all options installed.

Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.

Hi!

Warning to users with Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.
I think all of the functions are open except for proper operation 56mb.
Up to 14/7 options correctly, 56/28 - is not correct.
In auto mode 56/28 no picks. In manual mode, recording only two frames.

Back in 2072 does not work.


Excuse my English, translated by Google translator.

[Teneyes]

HWarning to users with Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.
I think all of the functions are open except for proper operation 56mb.
Up to 14/7 options correctly, 56/28 - is not correct.
In auto mode 56/28 no picks. In manual mode, recording only two frames.
Back in 2072 does not work.

@ Monstr  You may wish to check the Table  EDIT 4 in this post
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/first-impressions-and-review-of-the-rigol-ds2072-ds2000-series-dso/msg158659/#msg158659

56Mpts ,one Channel only

[monstr]

56Mpts ,one Channel only

Thank you, after I re-read, it is now clear.
Then again, does not correspond. Edit5:
The device does not want to write long sweep.
This is the norm, or feature HW ver 2?
AND  'Samples' option only "Real Time" mode.

Sorry for the novice questions.

[Teneyes]

Then again, does not correspond. Edit5:
The device does not want to write long sweep.
This is the norm, or feature HW ver 2?
AND  'Samples' option only "Real Time" mode.

Good question

Yes, In Section 10-3 in the manual states the limits for recording
Is this the limit,   

3. Interval
Set the time interval between the frames in waveform record and the range available is
from 100 ns to 10 s.

But If you set to 199ms/dev Record will work

[monstr]

Thank you very much!This is my first digital oscilloscope, I am learning to understand its capabilities.Good luck! 

[monstr]

Hi!
Again, the question arose.
In the photo measurement PCI_CLK 33MHz laptop.
One point of measurement, but different bandwidth limit (BW Limit).
Testimony is not reliable at the range above 20MHz - BW Limit.
Any channel, either probe (RP3300A).
Am I doing something wrong or is the problem of the input block?
Or is it a consequence of updating the program in 2072 to 2202?

[PA0PBZ]

I don't really see a problem with the scope here.

A) The waveform in the first 2 pictures looks distorted but that is no surprise looking at where your ground connection is, it should be as short as possible and as close to the probe pin as possible. Look at these little springs you can slide over the probe.

B) The waveform with 20Mhz bandwidth looks better because you filter out the higher frequencies: looking at the top of the waveform in the first picture the extra 'wave' looks like 10ns duration -> 100Mhz.

[monstr]

Thank you for your response PA0PBZ.
But unfortunately the change point of mass does not affect the reading.
As expected, since the mass of laptops is present throughout the system board as one of the layers of a multilayer PCB.
I suspect that the digital input filter was originally set to range up to 70 MHz, and beyond it is working no correctly.
Maybe I'm wrong and this is a common mistake inexperienced users ...

If possible, please make sure that someone in their own terms.
Or please select another possible for my mistakes.

[PA0PBZ]

Watch this:

[monstr]

Thank you, I get it .....

[Kobus]

PA0PBZ mentioned the springs that came with the DS2000 probes.

I've been wondering how they are supposed to be used.
What situations are they designed for ?