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Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« on: August 05, 2018, 11:32:19 am »
Unboxing & first Impressions of the new Rigol MSO7000 mixed signal oscilloscope.
Note, this is NOT a review, it is a single take, unedited, unprepared unboxing and just dicking around with it. If you do not like this style of video do not watch it.

https://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/7000/

 
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2018, 01:30:40 pm »
So about $12,000 and the front panel looks like it was designed as a high school project? Weird graphics and a terrible selection of fonts.

People might say it doesn't matter, but if you are working a large shop and go for the Rigol vs one of the more established brands, and this thing shows up, it's going to look bad on you for spending money on a Chinese scope that they couldn't even get the front panel right on. That is going to drive down sales to the industrial customers Rigol wants to target.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2018, 01:38:08 pm »
terrible selection of fonts.
Yeah, those serifed I and II bugged me the whole video. How hard it is to hire not even a designer, but a normal human from the street to tell them that this looks terrible and cheap?

Rigols sort of worth the money on the low end, but if you are paying good money for the instrument, just go for a decent brand.
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2018, 02:04:32 pm »
Good stuff Dave, looking forward to your follow up teardown and eventual review!

I agree, serial decoding off the 4 channels should be included with the scope and why not start it at 200MHz if they want it to stand out from the crowd and grab some serious market share.
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2018, 05:04:46 pm »
Per the datasheet only the MSO version has the siggen ports *available*, and they're still an option after the US$1,300 price bump for the digital channels.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2018, 05:08:54 pm »
I agree, serial decoding off the 4 channels should be included with the scope and why not start it at 200MHz if they want it to stand out from the crowd and grab some serious market share.

200MHz minimum would be a nice differentiator.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2018, 06:37:25 pm »
what the hell is wrong with the panel?

"a lot of wankery on that"  :-DD

200MHz minimum would be a nice differentiator.

I personally don't care. When I ask for quotes I keep telling that i don't care for bandwidth. Let it be a 10 MHz scope but i still want
Advanced math, math on math, istograms, uncommon decodes (uncommon for cheap scopes)
Not surprisingly the seller will happily throw more bandwidth for free but won't add the real goodies which are why i would choose scope X instead of Y.

that is a nice differntiator, it's also part of the reasons i like my picoscopes a lot.

If i only want bandwidth i'll go grab an old scope from ebay for one tenth of the price.
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2018, 06:47:25 pm »
Not surprisingly the seller will happily throw more bandwidth for free but won't add the real goodies which are why i would choose scope X instead of Y.

Yep. I'm looking at a new scope at the moment, and one requirement is autodetecting 10x probes. Not a hard feature, but for whatever reason means you need to go for midrange devices.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2018, 07:10:43 pm »
is it possible to use a mouse on that scope?

In case of design I'm just speechless that the chinese guys didn't learn anything in the past. Every year and for every device people / customers complain about the frontpanel design  :palm: (hint: DP832 review ;)) :palm: .


The computing power of that scope could also be better ...
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2018, 07:24:23 pm »
Not surprisingly the seller will happily throw more bandwidth for free but won't add the real goodies which are why i would choose scope X instead of Y.

Yep. I'm looking at a new scope at the moment, and one requirement is autodetecting 10x probes. Not a hard feature, but for whatever reason means you need to go for midrange devices.
What would you call mid range ?
SDS2000X models can auto detect and are much cheaper than this new Rigol.
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2018, 08:22:01 pm »
terrible selection of fonts.
... How hard it is to hire not even a designer, but a normal human from the street to tell them that this looks terrible and cheap?
A "normal human from the street" might actually like that kind of looks. I know at least one educated and smart adult person who actually prefers looks meant for kids and teens, to the point that e.g. for entertainment devices he may choose technically inferior products just because of those looks. Though, I think he would not do such choice if it was about "business" or other serious usage, like these scopes are. But a random person from the street might not be smart enough to understand the priority of usability over looks.

So, it could still be better to hire a suitable designer, and of such sub-type which is trained for (industrial) usability, instead of "style". At least one major IDE software project went baaaadly downhill because they had gotten a "graphic designer" of the kind who designs marketing web pages and such, instead of one experienced in usability and how it actually works. The results sure looked fancy, but was horrible to use.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2018, 08:28:59 pm »
Rigol's next scope with next gen pushbuttons, currently on the drawing board.

 
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2018, 08:48:00 pm »
3 USB ports, they finally realised the 4 port hub they use to interface the front USB and the touch screen has those 2 spare ports on them essentially free, and then added the 2 sockets. Wonder the power delivery ability, and if they put any sort of overcurrent protection on them as well.

Bet the reason they do not see the USB drive Dave plugged in is because it is too large, and they are using an older Linux kernel that does not support over 8G drives natively. Way too common, and really no reason not to have the large drive support enabled in new designs, and not only limited to test equipment either, very common on printers as well.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2018, 08:53:10 pm »
The three USBs on front panel are nice, but what can you use them for? Does the scope support a mouse and a keyboard?
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2018, 09:11:29 pm »
11k $ for Rigol
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 09:26:10 pm »
11k $ for Rigol
That's a significant point. Though Rigol have been around a while, and are probably the best of the Chinese brands I do wonder who is going to spend that kind of money on a scope that's not from one of the long-established companies with local offices, service centres etc.
At the low end these things matter a lot less, but once you start talking more serious investment, it becomes about more then just the product and feature set.
Time will tell....
 
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2018, 11:07:01 pm »
I do not think the design "annoyances" of Far East industrial products are matter of an "lack of professionalism".
It is about their "perception of beauty". It is a fully different culture in this regard, when comparing to Western one, indeed.
We say their products look like "Christmas Trees" (lot of different lights, colors, rounded shapes, bubbles, fonts, crazy shaped buttons, shiny surfaces, mirrors..). They simply like that..
Look at their cars, for example, and compare their design, for example, with a BMW.
The same with o'scopes, it seems.

PS: see below Western vs. Far East perception of Beauty (imo)
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 11:43:07 pm »
In western cultures the news media and leadership use the term "stealing" intellectual properties.  The commies call it "sharing".  Anyone with a bit of socialism in their political thinking can clearly see the philosophical bind here.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2018, 12:01:25 am »
The DS1000Z series certainly didn't win any beauty awards, but at the same time weren't _too_ bad. Rigol has gone backwards a fair bit with this one, which is a shame given the market segment they are aiming at and the trivial amount of work required to make it not look so amateur hour.
 
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2018, 12:34:02 am »
11k $ for Rigol

Or... 1.5k plus a copy of RIGLOL.

Now who's laughing?
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2018, 12:54:24 am »
imo naming the Rigol DMM "eastern beaty"  :-DD

Fungus,the base price is 2.7k.At that price it become ok value I guess after full unlock hack but still,11k for Rigol,that makes me lol irl everytime I think about it.I cant decide what is funnier,the price or front pannel design.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2018, 12:55:14 am »
it is a single take, unedited, unprepared unboxing and just dicking around with it. If you do not like this style of video do not watch it.

@Dave: I quite liked the single-take approach, very watchable for my taste. But when you do similar videos going forward, could you improve the audio?

I assume this was simply captured via the in-camera microphone. A lot of volume fluctuations as you were moving around, but even when you sat still, the voice sounded thinner than usual. A clip-on mic, or even a stationary one properly directed at the speaker, should work better.
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2018, 01:07:18 am »
What strikes me as odd is that Rigol choose to put a row of buttons next to the screen (and Dave is using them!). What is the purpose of the touch screen then? The space for the row of buttons could have been used to un-clutter the space for the other buttons.
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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2018, 01:58:31 am »
What strikes me as odd is that Rigol choose to put a row of buttons next to the screen (and Dave is using them!). What is the purpose of the touch screen then? The space for the row of buttons could have been used to un-clutter the space for the other buttons.

Well I always wondered same thing for Keysight touch screen scopes (3000T/4000/6000/7000). I guess they try to strike some balance between old school "I like buttons and real scope look and I don't need no stinkin' touch screen" way of thinking and new touch screen "you don't need buttons at all if you have touch screen"  way of thinking....

I actually think LeCroy manages to strike good balance..
 

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Re: Rigol MSO7000 Unboxing & First Impressions
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2018, 02:06:25 am »
PS: see below Western vs. Far East perception of Beauty (imo)

A little more relevant comparison of current generations:

 


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