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Offline Adam BaumTopic starter

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Question in thread title.
 

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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2024, 04:34:57 pm »
Sure.  How fast and how inexpensive?  You'd need to quantify those attributes to get a meaningful answer.
A 3.5 digit 4.5 digit 5 digit 5.5 digit 6.5 digit 7.5 digit DMM is good enough for most people.
 
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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2024, 04:38:35 pm »
Hello,

The (old) ut-61e has min and max values.
The value read is a very fast transient, not the average over a period (0.5s).  I read about 20A or 30A when charging a 4700 µF capacitor with a laptop-type power supply (36V - 4A).
 

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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2024, 04:42:54 pm »
What bdunham said, and:

What sort of signal are you looking at? What time frame?

You can get pocket oscilloscopes for about $30. They have very fast min/max over short periods of time.  :)
 

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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2024, 04:58:45 pm »
Both the Brymen 869 en 789 have a very fast min/max (crest function) they both measure the peaks op(~+ & - 325v] on the wall outlets that give ~230 volts.

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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2024, 11:46:42 pm »
Hello,

The (old) ut-61e has min and max values.
The value read is a very fast transient, not the average over a period (0.5s).  I read about 20A or 30A when charging a 4700 µF capacitor with a laptop-type power supply (36V - 4A).
I own a Fluke 77 and a Fluke 17B and, of course, the 17B+ has min/max and not the 17B.  Rather than spending $188 for a 17B+ just to get that function, I'd like to spend as little as possible.

Your UT61E lead got me there, so thanks. It looks like the UT61B+ (with min/max) or UT61D+ (with min/max and peak min/max) are the ones to go with.  The 250us capture time is the same as with the much more expensive Flukes with min/max.
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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2024, 05:28:29 am »
The 250us capture time is the same as with the much more expensive Flukes with min/max.

Where did you find this spec?  I can't find it in the Uni-T UT61+ data sheet or user manual.
 

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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2024, 09:05:48 am »
If the meter uses a DMM chip, have you checked its datasheet?

The datasheet for the Cyrustek ES51962 in my B&K 390A quotes a worst case error for a 10µs pulse of +/-2% + 25 counts.
-John
 

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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2024, 06:08:31 pm »
The 250us capture time is the same as with the much more expensive Flukes with min/max.

Where did you find this spec?  I can't find it in the Uni-T UT61+ data sheet or user manual.
Somewhere in this section on their slow as snot web page :

https://meters.uni-trend.com/services-support/faqs/

"For peak measurement: Maintain the MAX/MIN value of pulse signal automatically, the response time of logging MAX/MIN peak value is short (about 250us), a transient value can be measured accurately through this function."

The Fluke figure came from here:

https://www.fluke-direct.com/pdfs/resources/fluke/How-to-use-Fast-Peak-Min-Max-on-your-DMM-usd.pdf

The FAST MN/MX (187, 189) or Peak Min/Max (87V) function is restricted to the voltage and current measurement. FAST MN/MX or Peak Min/Max can be used to capture intermittent or transient events that occur on a monitored signal over time. Events as short as 250 μs (or longer) can be captured...
« Last Edit: February 08, 2024, 06:11:16 pm by Adam Baum »
 
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Re: Is there an inexpensive DMM with FAST MIN/MAX (NOT just MAX) function?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2024, 06:40:06 pm »
In my tests with peak mode at a low level (5V), the UT61E (non plus) was the champ (1us) when compared to all others.

I did a video comparing several meters (in portuguese, sorry), Skip to 13:58 for the UT61E.

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Oh, the "whys" of the datasheets... The information is there not to be an axiomatic truth, but instead each speck of data must be slowly inhaled while carefully performing a deep search inside oneself to find the true metaphysical sense...
 
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