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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1325 on: May 16, 2019, 05:54:37 pm »
FEATURE REQUEST

Did you notice the Siglent logo on the screen of SDS1000X-E? To me it looks ugly and cheap. I thought it was the same on all Siglent scopes, but the screenshots SDS5034X in this topic show that there is another much better looking version.

I pasted the logo from SDS5034X to a screenshot from SDS1000X-E. Just compare the two versions and see the difference.

Question to Siglent: would it be possible to change the logo on the SDS1000X-E screen? I know that we are talking about a piece of measurement equipment but if it can look better why not to do it? Aesthetics is also important. This small detail will make the screenshots look more professional and not cheap.
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1326 on: May 23, 2019, 07:07:58 pm »
New firmware, updated Programming guide and Datasheet
SDS1004X-E documentation
https://www.siglentamerica.com/resources/documents/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series


Firmware updates for SDS1004X-E DSO's and SLA1016 16ch MSO module

SDS1104X-E, SDS1204X-E
Version  6.1.33
8.4 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8917/

21 issues and bugs fixed addressed in the firmware release notes:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2019/05/SDS1xx4X-E-Firmware-Revise-History-and-Update-Instructions.pdf

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SLA1016 MSO module
Version 6.1.16
4.75 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8910/

Very important !
Optimized communication between SDS1004X-E and SLA1016. If the SDS1004X-E will be upgraded to this version (or higher), the SLA1016 MUST be upgraded to 8.1.16 (or higher) first.

See release notes as linked above.

Important
Run Self Cal after firmware updates.
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1327 on: May 23, 2019, 07:31:11 pm »
New firmware, updated Programming guide and Datasheet
SDS1004X-E documentation
https://www.siglentamerica.com/resources/documents/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series


Firmware updates for SDS1004X-E DSO's and SLA1016 16ch MSO module

SDS1104X-E, SDS1204X-E
Version  6.1.33
8.4 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8917/

21 issues and bugs fixed addressed in the firmware release notes:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2019/05/SDS1xx4X-E-Firmware-Revise-History-and-Update-Instructions.pdf

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SLA1016 MSO module
Version 6.1.16
4.75 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8910/

Due to compatibility between firmware versions please check your X-E DSO has 6.1.33 firmware before updating to version 6.1.16
See release notes as linked above.


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Run Self Cal after firmware updates.

The PDF you linked to (https://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2019/05/SDS1xx4X-E-Firmware-Revise-History-and-Update-Instructions.pdf) says:

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Optimized communication between SDS1004X-E and SLA1016.  If the SDS1004X-E will be upgraded to this version(or higher), the SLA1016 MUST be upgraded to 8.1.16 (or higher) first.

Which is to say, it says you MUST upgrade the SLA1016 before you upgrade the scope.

But in your message, you said that you must upgrade the scope before you upgrade the SLA1016.

Which one of those is actually correct?  It sounds like a mismatch will result in the scope not being able to talk to the logic analyzer.  That would imply that you have to upgrade the logic analyzer first (which is what Siglent's notes seem to say).  If you upgrade the scope first, it would no longer be able to talk to the logic analyzer, thus preventing you from upgrading the logic analyzer.

Please clarify.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1328 on: May 23, 2019, 07:54:40 pm »
I updated SLA first, then scope.  Looks ok.  :-+
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1329 on: May 23, 2019, 08:11:14 pm »
I have also just upgraded SLA first and then scope, all working well.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1330 on: May 23, 2019, 08:34:06 pm »
If you upgrade the scope first, it would no longer be able to talk to the logic analyzer, thus preventing you from upgrading the logic analyzer.

Excellent point. Beware!
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1331 on: May 24, 2019, 05:57:05 am »

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If you upgrade the scope first, it would no longer be able to talk to the logic analyzer, thus preventing you from upgrading the logic analyzer.
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That quote is taken out of context and is not a statement of fact - more of a question. I would hope this statement is not true. Imagine if you buy a used or old stock, un-upgraded SLA1016, and tried to use it with your SDS1104X-E with latest firmware. I don't expect that there would just be no communications and no way to upgrade the SLA1016 firmware it if you ended up with a new firmware SDS1104X-E and an old firmware SLA1016. But I don't really know. Perhaps you would need to downgrade firmware on SDS1104X-E (if they even let you do that) in order to upgrade the firmware on the SLA1016?
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1332 on: May 24, 2019, 09:05:43 am »
I also think that they wouldn't do that because if people already have an old SLA (not updated) and now buy a new SDS, how do they solve it??

But, better safe than sorry.

We can downgrade but it's always more unnecessary work...
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1333 on: May 24, 2019, 10:42:41 am »
Nice to see that the decoders and digital has been fleshed out,

Is there a reason they seem very reluctant to cover the AWG option commands in the manual?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1334 on: May 24, 2019, 11:01:42 am »
I also think that they wouldn't do that because if people already have an old SLA (not updated) and now buy a new SDS, how do they solve it??

But, better safe than sorry.

We can downgrade but it's always more unnecessary work...
I think it is all quite clear from the update instructions:

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Update instructions
Very important!
Version 8.1.16 of the SLA1016 optimizes the FPGA. This version is compatible with the following oscilloscope versions: SDS1004X-E (>=6.1.33), SDS2000X-E (>=1.1.18).

If your current SLA1016 revision is < 8.1.16, you can only upgrade the SLA firmware using an SDS1004X-E (<6.1.33) or an SDS2000X-E (<1.1.18)

After upgrading the SLA1016, you can upgrade the oscilloscope.

So yes, you might have to downgrade the scope in order to be able to update an old SLA (<8.1.16).
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1335 on: May 24, 2019, 01:06:54 pm »
I reported a limit of 3000 bytes on SPI decoding some time ago here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/impressive-keysight-1000x-series-(edux1002g-modded)-spi-triggering-rate/msg2417037/#msg2417037

Siglent "fixed" the problem by adding a message that the limit has been reached, instead of increasing the limit  :palm:

Long memory for nothing... it only shows 3000 SPI decode bytes (not even frames, BYTES)



 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1336 on: May 24, 2019, 01:10:08 pm »
After you upgrade the firmware, the stored setup recalls some strange values and settings.  The channel vertical settings were saved @ 2V/div and recalled at 200mV/div (10X attenuation).

I had setup1 in internal memory set to trigger on SPI, with threshold levels around 2V on CH1, CH2 and CH3.  After the upgrade and recall setup1, it shows threshold over 10-12V and also the trigger setting from SPI was changed to I2C...
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1337 on: May 25, 2019, 12:20:34 am »
After you upgrade the firmware, the stored setup recalls some strange values and settings.  The channel vertical settings were saved @ 2V/div and recalled at 200mV/div (10X attenuation).

I had setup1 in internal memory set to trigger on SPI, with threshold levels around 2V on CH1, CH2 and CH3.  After the upgrade and recall setup1, it shows threshold over 10-12V and also the trigger setting from SPI was changed to I2C...
I've tried this and found no issue with setups created by the new firmware. So this appears to be a compatibility issue with setup files from previous firmware versions. But yes, I agree, this should not happen nevertheless.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1338 on: May 25, 2019, 12:36:48 am »
After you upgrade the firmware, the stored setup recalls some strange values and settings.  The channel vertical settings were saved @ 2V/div and recalled at 200mV/div (10X attenuation).

I had setup1 in internal memory set to trigger on SPI, with threshold levels around 2V on CH1, CH2 and CH3.  After the upgrade and recall setup1, it shows threshold over 10-12V and also the trigger setting from SPI was changed to I2C...
I've tried this and found no issue with setups created by the new firmware. So this appears to be a compatibility issue with setup files from previous firmware versions. But yes, I agree, this should not happen nevertheless.
Yes, it is a setup saved in previous firmware, then recalled after upgrade
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1339 on: May 25, 2019, 05:05:02 am »
FEATURE REQUEST

Did you notice the Siglent logo on the screen of SDS1000X-E? To me it looks ugly and cheap.

Agreed - it looks a mess.

Just found out that the Teledyne Lecroy T3DSO1104 is a rebadged SDS1104X-E. I wonder if we can get the oscilloscope app from the T3DSO1104 and use it on the SDS1104X-E for a different logo? Marketing photos of the T3DSO1104 show no logo on the screen - but I assume it has a Teledyne Lecroy logo?

http://cdn.teledynelecroy.com/files/pdf/t3dso1000-datasheet.pdf

Edit: I assumed wrong. Just has logo removed from the display. That is a bit lazy:


credit: hackaday.io/project/163056/gallery
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1340 on: May 25, 2019, 12:20:44 pm »
Hi,

probabely a stupid Q, but ...... ahead of updating SLA1016 I´m asked to connect a ´digital´ device (the logic probe?), which I haven´t.
Also a message appears asking for a .cfg file ????
So am I right, that I can´t update SLA1016 w/o the logic probe connected?
Or does it mean, that I can´t upgrade later on to the SLA1016, because a newer FW revision like 6.1.33 has appeared and been installed meanwhile?

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1341 on: May 25, 2019, 12:47:15 pm »
Calvin, the SLA1016 is the logic probe! ;)

And yes, you cannot upgrade a device (logic probe SLA1016 in this particular case) that you don't have.

If you buy an SLA1016 later, it will most likely have the new firmware anyway, hence doesn't need to be upgraded. If I were in your position, I would just check this with your vendor and negotiate that he has to make sure it has the latest firmware (or otherwise he needs to do the update) before shipping it to you.

Even if everything else fails, you can still upgrade even an old SLA1016, you just need to downgrade your scope to a pre-6.1.33 FW beforehand (and re-update it to the then current FW again afterwards).
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1342 on: May 25, 2019, 01:04:37 pm »
Hi,

okidoki ... thanks .... but discovered another issue.
The USB-stick I just used to upgrade to 6.1.33 isn´t detected any more after the upgrade.  :o
If You put it in the socket a message pops up after a few seconds "USB flash drive removed" even though the device is still present.
Used another stick (which didn´t work before, probabely due to the known USB size prob) to downgrade to FW 6.1.26 again.
Then the original stick (32GB ... I bought it only for upgrading the Siglent) worked again and I could upgrade to 6.1.33 again ..... and guess what ... after reboot it couldn´t be detected and the same error message occured.  |O |O |O  :palm:
Removing the stick and the message pops again ..... so the scope recognizes the plugging and unplugging of the stick ... but doesn´t ´detect´ it.
Now isn´t  that weird?   :-- :-- :--

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1343 on: May 25, 2019, 01:14:04 pm »
Now isn´t  that weird?   :-- :-- :--

:)

2 options: interesting or bug!

When you resinsert the disk you have the update ADS in there? If yes, delete the file and try again. What happens next?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1344 on: May 25, 2019, 01:20:30 pm »
Can confirm that updating on my one, the USB is still recognized after the Update, I am using a 4GB USB if that matters.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1345 on: May 25, 2019, 01:52:08 pm »
I've tried to replicate it:
  • 512MB NoName, FAT32, no issues
  • 8 GB Cruzer Contour, FAT32, no issues
  • 32GB Transcend USB3.0, FAT32, no issues
With a crappy 64GB Intenso, NTFS formatted, I also got the message "USB drive removed" a few seconds after plugging it in. But that was to be expected of course. FAT32 drives up to 32GB should work fine though.

If an USB stick works before the upgrade but not afterwards, it might have something to do with this item from the revision history:
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4.   Optimized accessing USB drive so that when a USB drive is moved to a computer, Windows will not prompt a restoration of the USB drive.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1346 on: May 25, 2019, 02:43:18 pm »
Hi,

it´s a Verbatim Stick, FAT32 formatted (16kB blocks).
Deleting all files from the Stick didn´t work, neither did a reformat help.
All my other other (smaller) Sticks that didn´t work before due to the USB-size prob do work now (128M, 1G and 2G)
Btw. with the 128MB S stick my PC responded with an error message that a error had been detected and the file system had to be repaired (I remember, that the verbatim also had that issue after beeing pulled from the Siglent)
The stick is properly recognized on my PC, the Siglent SDG20242X and SDM3065X .... just not on the updated scope.

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« Reply #1347 on: May 26, 2019, 05:24:21 am »
I have had my SDS1104X-E for about two weeks and up until now I have been very impressed with the performance, especially for the money.   However I disappointed with CSV data file output in the new firmware update (6.1.33).   All other digital scopes I have used save data with time zero being the trigger point.   The scope sets time zero at the left side of the screen, and has no indication of the trigger point in the data.  I view this as a fundamental error in the data output format.  It would be OK if there was some indication of the time where the trigger occurred, but there is none in the file.

For example, look at this screen in which the trigger point is in the center of the displayed data.



Since there are 14 displayed divisions, and the time base is set for 100ns/division the time should go from -700ns to 700ns.  The scope handles this correctly internally when the data is displayed on the screen or shifted horizontally in time.

However when I save this data as a CSV file there is no indication of where the trigger occurred and the time in the file goes from 0 to 1400ns.



The CSV file is not correct.   I have not tried this with earlier versions of the firmware, but I view this as a fundamental flaw in the output data.

Chris
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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1348 on: May 26, 2019, 06:42:48 am »
Chris, thank you for sharing your observation.

I agree that the exported data are barely useful without clear trigger point indication and I have pointed Siglent R&D to your posting.

I'm glad you like the scope otherwise!
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes
« Reply #1349 on: May 26, 2019, 06:12:34 pm »
Hi,
Just sharing some observation.
Plugged USB stick 16GB, works great, saving images, recognized after soft power-down, all ok, but,
after blackout (during standby - soft power down) usb still plugged in but after boot usb did not recognized.
After reboot without usb stick, plugging again usb all ok. Tested two times - unplugging from power in stand by mode.
Like scope didn't like being unplugged from power with usb plugged in.
 


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