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Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« on: October 15, 2015, 01:02:53 AM »
Preliminary, coming in the near future. Siglent new Spectrum analyzer serie is SSA3000X 

There is 9kHz - 2.1GHz and 9kHz - 3.2GHz models with and without tracking generator.

Min RBW 10Hz
DANL -161 dBm/Hz
Full freq range tracking gen. (2.1 or 3.2GHz) in SSA3000X-TG models
10.1"  1024x600 TFT

Some optional features and accessories.

My rough estimate about prices is ~6k$  -  <12k$   depending model without optionals.  So it is not targeted  for low end hobby markets "spectrum analyzer".  Are there also coming some cheap model for bottom entry level.... I have not seen any signs.  Price estimate was derived from some chinese sides before product was really launched.
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2015, 04:28:07 AM »
Preliminary, coming in the near future. Siglent new Spectrum analyzer serie is SSA3000X

There is 9kHz - 2.1GHz and 9kHz - 3.2GHz models with and without tracking generator.

The UI looks certainly nice, as does the external design. The specs aren't really exciting, though:

ftp://www.siglent.com/www/Uploadfile/File/20150930/SSA3000X_datasheet.pdf

RBW: 10Hz to 1MHz

Frequency resolution: 1 Hz

Internal Reference:
Reference frequency accuracy: <0.2 ppm
Temperature stability: <1 ppm, 0 ? 5
Frequency aging rate: <0.5 ppm / first year, 3.0 ppm / 20 years

Phase Noise:
<-95 DBc / Hz @ 10 kHz offset, <-98 dBc / Hz (typ)
<-96 DBc / Hz @ 100 kHz offset, <- 97 dBc / Hz (typ)
<-115 DBc / Hz @ 1 MHz offset, <-117 dBc / Hz (typ)

Distortion and spurious response:
Second Harmonic Distortion (fc ? 50 MHz, the mixer level -30 dBm, input attenuation 0 dB, the preamplifier off, 20 ? to 30 ?): -65 DBc
Third order intercept point (fc ? 50 MHz, two-tone input level -20 dBm, frequency spacing 100 kHz, the input attenuation 0 dB, the preamplifier off, 20 ? to 30 ?): +10 DBm
1 dB gain compression (fc ? 50 MHz, the input attenuation 0 dB, the preamplifier off, 20 ? to 30 ?): > -5 DBm, nominal value

Scan Points: 751


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My rough estimate about prices is ~6k$  -  <12k$   depending model without optionals.

If that's true then this is pretty expensive, considering that the 3GHz Rohde & Schwarz FSC (which has comparable specs) starts at below $6k, and that is from a big reputable brand.
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2015, 05:13:19 AM »
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 09:18:00 AM »
Preliminary, coming in the near future. Siglent new Spectrum analyzer serie is SSA3000X  ...................

Nice to see a decent image, I had heard whispers of a new SA.
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2015, 09:35:50 PM »
The price does seem a bit off. Considering there are a bunch of "name brand" SA's you can get for that with equal or better specs. IMHO though, it's a really nice looking unit! (Except that ugly logo)


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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2015, 08:32:28 AM »
Which ugly logo? I personally think Siglent is a nice name, and the logo looks pretty neat as well!
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 08:01:19 AM »
My rough estimate about prices is ~6k$  -  <12k$   depending model without optionals. 

This really seems like an odd exit out of the value low end T&M gear section.  IMO one would start with high quality fuller feature DMMs and "easier" equipment before jumping into the mid range SA market.

It would take some serious reviews and a 1-2 year delay before I'd buy a $12k Siglent SA.

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2015, 06:12:20 PM »
Full specs and pricing are now available on Siglent websites:

http://www.siglentamerica.com/pdxx.aspx?id=1546&T=2&tid=227

Datasheet:
http://www.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Documents/DataSheet/SSA3000X_DataSheet.pdf



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Add active link to datasheet.
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2015, 06:33:01 PM »
Full specs and pricing are now available on Siglent websites:

http://www.siglentamerica.com/pdxx.aspx?id=1546&T=2&tid=227

so those initial price estimates were only off by a factor of 4 or so...  :-DD

in that price range the direct competitors are Rigol DSA815/1030, maybe also Hameg HMS-X,  something else?

google-spreadsheet for comparisons anyone?
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2015, 07:13:55 PM »
Full specs and pricing are now available on Siglent websites:

http://www.siglentamerica.com/pdxx.aspx?id=1546&T=2&tid=227

so those initial price estimates were only off by a factor of 4 or so...  :-DD

in that price range the direct competitors are Rigol DSA815/1030, maybe also Hameg HMS-X,  something else?

google-spreadsheet for comparisons anyone?
Comparison chart attached.
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2015, 10:02:35 PM »

so those initial price estimates were only off by a factor of 4 or so...  :-DD


Yes. ;)


 (but still based to some facts.   (if I remember right perhaps to some older price info...)

All we know that prices in China are not cheap and if prices continue 10-20% rising per year (and some prices even more)... 

But in this attached img, these are current (from Siglent web sides, china)
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 11:58:38 PM »
What?
According to this exchange rate site there's 7.07CNY to one Euro. At CNY56800 for the 3032X that would put it at around €8000, yet it's "only" €3000 in Europe. Am I using the wrong currency?

European site doesn't list the -TG option but if the 3032X is Y56600 or €3000 could we expect the -TG be around €3000/Y56800*Y66800=€3500?
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2015, 01:21:31 AM »
Thanks, €169 makes it a no-brainer of course AND makes the chinese prices even more confusing.....Y10000 difference translates into €169....
Not that I could really justify the cost but it does put "a bit" of pressure on Rigol with their DSA-832TG which is twice the price when you include the pre-amp so for those that CAN justify it looks like a pretty good deal.

I hope they put one in the hands of Shahriar for review and teardown.
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2015, 07:00:23 AM »

Not that I am buying an SA anytime soon, but I entered some info into a spreadsheet anyway
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yijOHnEqQ5ffkcK3lZFgzSga9HShgZcXY4gEWarSnQI/edit?usp=sharing
(PM me if you want to edit it!)
USB, Ethernet, GPIB, etc. connectivity would be good info to add.

Hameg HMS-X doesn't look great on specs, unless you need the small size, fanless design etc.

In general DANL numbers are all over the place, a bit like fuel consumption on cars - would be better to only trust measurements done by an independent third party not the manufacturer datasheet.
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2015, 07:25:22 AM »

Not that I am buying an SA anytime soon, but I entered some info into a spreadsheet anyway
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yijOHnEqQ5ffkcK3lZFgzSga9HShgZcXY4gEWarSnQI/edit?usp=sharing
(PM me if you want to edit it!)
USB, Ethernet, GPIB, etc. connectivity would be good info to add.

Hameg HMS-X doesn't look great on specs, unless you need the small size, fanless design etc.

In general DANL numbers are all over the place, a bit like fuel consumption on cars - would be better to only trust measurements done by an independent third party not the manufacturer datasheet.
Nice. thanks for that, it will useful for all.  :-+

BTW
Many confuse Siglent EU (distributor)  with http://www.siglenteu.com/ the latter being the real Siglent branch in Hamburg. All official Siglent websites differ only in contact details and pricing.
However ATM both sites show the same pricing.
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2015, 03:49:26 PM »
Looking forward the reviews.
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2016, 12:55:20 AM »
Tg option is here:
http://www.siglent.eu/catalog/product/view/id/1111/s/siglent-tg-ssa3000x-tracking-generator-license/category/98/

That option sounds like a mere softtware licence key, does it mean that the instrument come anyway with TG HW installed and it's only matter to activate it, even after the purchase ?

On the paper this SA sounds like a winner against Rigol DSA815-TG, among other things 2.1Ghz covering range against 1.5Ghz means the you can use it for L-Band GPS & Inmarsat LNA & Antenna stuff.

The only concer is the build quality and FW support, for the first ascpect i fear it will be far inferior to Rigol.

Am i wrong ?

Anyway, someone found any test, review, "interior photo" or usage video other than Siglent "trailer".

 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2016, 07:01:18 AM »
That option sounds like a mere software licence key, does it mean that the instrument come anyway with TG HW installed and it's only matter to activate it, even after the purchase ?
Yes, this appears to be the case......so stated on the Siglent websites:
http://www.siglentamerica.com/prodcut-fjxx.aspx?fjid=1562&id=1546&tid=227&T=2

On my pricelist, TG has separate pricing and if required would be added to the base model pricing.

It's likely the units SN# and ID# would be sent to Siglent for the TG enable codes if purchased without TG, in much the same way as available options are enabled after purchase in the Siglent range of DSO's.

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Anyway, someone found any test, review, "interior photo" or usage video other than Siglent "trailer".
These units have been released for not yet a month and there's been internal discussion of upcoming external reviews, all one can say is it is a job for an experienced reviewer and also not a job that takes 10 minutes to do properly.
Watch this space.  ;)
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2016, 09:58:55 AM »
These units have been released for not yet a month and there's been internal discussion of upcoming external reviews, all one can say is it is a job for an experienced reviewer and also not a job that takes 10 minutes to do properly.
Watch this space.  ;)

Sure i will do.

For my needing at the moment would be enough a simple video showing basic task like a filter curve tracing,  some GUI iteration, maybe a shot inside, just to get a short glimpse about build quality and decide if it's the case to wait for serious reviews and not to go with Rigol right now.

Any hidden owner of this SA is advised ;-)

What attracts me over DSA815 is the superior frequency coverage, 2.1 Ghz means that it comes in handy for L-Band GPS and Inmarsat LNAs & Antennas.

Anyway, if really this instrument is on the market since one month, the complete absence of any sort of photo / video document on the WWW seems quite strange.
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2016, 07:15:23 PM »
FW update released:
http://www.siglentamerica.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=3615&tid=15

Changelog included.  :clap:

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EasySpectrum software package too:
http://www.siglentamerica.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=3616&tid=14
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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2016, 07:48:54 PM »
Any review out there ?

Those SA, together new 2000X DSO lineup are like ghosts ...
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 08:08:52 PM »
Any review out there ?

Those SA, together new 2000X DSO lineup are like ghosts ...
My take on that: all ham amateurs and developers working on a small buget did purchase a DSA815 in the past (given a need of a SA), so this market is saturated. Now it will take much longer to bring a reasonable amount of SA devices into the market.
If I would be the marketing manager at Siglent, I would leak a hack to activate all features .... THEN the sales will boost and the coverage of the device will be everywhere. Cheapest way to gain market share and positive brand awareness.
The task for gaining negative brand awareness has already been fulfilled (google "Siglent wrongful trademark claim") by Siglent :palm:
 

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Re: Siglent SSA3000X spectrum analyzers
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2016, 08:35:11 PM »
An instrument  sample sent to Dave for a review / tear-down would come in handy to promote those new lines.
Recently the Siglent SSA3032X appeared as "available ready to ship" from Batronix (Germany), so they actually exist ....
 


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