So what is the difference between the Rigol DS2072 and DS2072A?

[RRobot]

Can anyone summarize the difference both in performance and cost between these two scopes? Anyone know when the 'A' version is due to be released?

[Po6ept]

According to the quote I just received this morning, the DS2072A will sell for the same price as the DS2072 and the only difference is the ability to switch to a 50 ohm input impedance.  The supplier says that the DS2072 is no longer available for new orders.

[neslekkim]

I guess it's only in norway they will sell the A series more expensive than the non A series.. Oh well..

[AndersAnd]

I guess it's only in norway they will sell the A series more expensive than the non A series.. Oh well..

How much do they charge for DS2072 and DS2072A in Norway? Any online retailers?
Maybe you can buy it cheaper from the German Rigol distributors? From what I've seen they are a lot more expensive in Denmark than Germany.
Batronix seems to be one of the most popular German distributors (they haven't listed the A models yet though): http://www.batronix.com/shop/index.html
But there's other's too as you can see here: http://eu.rigol.com/html/about/Distributors.shtml
All the German distributors seem to charge identical prices for Rigol products.

[neslekkim]

How much do they charge for DS2072 and DS2072A in Norway? Any online retailers?

ds2072 - 7850 NOK    (931 eur)
ds2072A - 8313 NOK   (986 eur)
ds2072A-s - 10438 NOK  (1238 eur)

ds2102 - 10500 NOK    (1246 eur)
ds2102A - 10875 NOK    (1290 eur)
ds2102A-s - 12875 NOK   (1527 eur)

ds2202 - 14000 NOK       (1661 eur)
ds2202A - 15250 NOK      (1809 eur)
ds2202A-s - 16875 NOK    (2002 eur)
prices inclusive vat (25%)
(as of now, the currencies are USD 6,133 and EUR 8,429)
Maybe price everywhere is ex vat so I should have given that instead?

I havent found prices for the A and AS series at batronix and rigolna yet?
Since I'm not yet confident that the hardware is 100% same on ds2102a-s and ds2202a-s, I'm debating between those two as of now.

[neslekkim]

Do anyone know more about the signalgenerator?, the retailer here suspects its the same in the DS1000Z-s as in the DS2000A-s, but I dunno.
Is it like only square, sawtooth, and such things, or is it more advanced?, Found that its lots of commands for it in the programming guide, but not easy to understand for my level

[Fagear]

Suprisingly, in Russia DS2072A sells for less money (34 456 rub/1050 usd) than DS2072 (38 232 rub/1165 usd). And DS2072A-S (with SG) available for 48 970 rub/1493 usd.

For the time DS2072A hardware is the same with latest DS2072 hardware. But model range goes up to 300 MHz BW instead of 200 MHz BW on non-A. And there is available software option for CAN triggering for A-model.
But this is all official.
In the hacker way you already can switch on 300 MHz BW and CAN trigger on non-A model (search for it) and also you can enable all software options (memory depth, decoders, triggers) for non-A version. For A-version hack is still impossible, but I think it's a matter of time when it will be.

[neslekkim]

Yes, i have read a lot of the info in the sniffing thread, very exiting, but it's very strange that Rigol sells unit like this, and does not sell softwareupgrades for bandwith, like Agilent does, if they did, I would be more confident that everything is *excact* the same.
As for now, I'm not sure about the consequences for the LMH6518 gain amplifier that doesnt seem to get programmed when "upgrading" the scope.

[tld]

For Norway, I know only of Venotek for Rigols. Anyone else to consider?

(I'm looking to buy, and would prefer a local source if possible).

As to the price-difference, Norwegian Kroner has dropped between the "old" and the A version, which likely explains the difference. Fair enough.

And yes, you'd beed to pay VAT if importing one, so relember to add 25% to both price of scope and shipping when comparison-shopping.

[neslekkim]

Venotek it is.. I don't want to import, hell break loose if you need help with it.
Venotek said they didn't know if the price on the non-a models would go down, but the price between is not that much, was more about that they infact have pricedifference whereas others have same price, oh well.

Elfa have some offers on the agilents now, but I'm not sure if I want to have an winCE box..

But I'm not sure yet if venotek sels to privatepersons, or only to companies, waiting for that answer now.

[AndersAnd]

And yes, you'd beed to pay VAT if importing one, so relember to add 25% to both price of scope and shipping when comparison-shopping.

Yes, just saw Batronix charges 31.35 € without VAT for shipping of a DS2702 to Norway.
Here to Denmark and the rest of EU they offer free shipping for every order above 400 €:
http://support.batronix.com/index.php?/Default/Knowledgebase/Article/View/27/11/how-much-does-shipping-cost

How much does shipping cost?

For orders above 400 Euro, we do not charge for shipping anywhere within the countries of the EU! This applies for standard shipments using the parcel service DHL.

For orders below this amount and for shipments outside of these countries, our online shop calculates fair shipping costs based on our own costs.

You can also view the shipping costs on the following page without first having to put products into your cart: Online Shipping Cost Calculator

If you are not sure about the weight of a product simply choose the link „Calculate shipping costs“ which you can find next of each item in the shop.

[neslekkim]

dang.. One seller says they can deliver straigt away, next seller says 4-6 weeks delivery time.. 

[marmad]

Since I'm not yet confident that the hardware is 100% same on ds2102a-s and ds2202a-s, I'm debating between those two as of now.

I'm not sure why you're not confident, but the hardware is exactly the same across the DS2000A line (obviously with added parts for S version).

Not only that, but there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE (and never has been) - even in the firmware - between the DS2072 and DS2102 - they both have precisely the same > ~115MHz bandwidth. So if you buy the DS2102A, you are essentially giving Rigol the extra money for a different sticker on the front panel (and different model number displayed in System Info). This was confirmed a few times about a year ago.

[neslekkim]

Everyone is saying that between the 2072 and 2102, but the between 2102 and 2202?

[marmad]

Everyone is saying that between the 2072 and 2102, but the between 2102 and 2202?

It's just a bit of firmware code which sets the LMH6518 chip to limit the bandwidth to 100MHz (and removes 2ns/div and 100MHz limit as user selections). Change the model number - or enter an option key - and you have a DS2202.

All of this has been proven about the DS2000 series a long time ago (with bandwidth tests). And it follows the exact same pattern that Rigol has been using since, at the very least, the DS1000E series - of producing a single piece of hardware for an entire series of DSOs - then selecting the bandwidths by putting model numbers into internal memory - which then affects the firmware routines.

[neslekkim]

What I read earlier about the LMH6518 was that the information was not sendt to that chip in the hacked scopes, but maybe that was before everything was figured out?, so one know now that it's reprogrammed when using it?

[marmad]

What I read earlier about the LMH6518 was that the information was not sendt to that chip in the hacked scopes, but maybe that was before everything was figured out?, so one know now that it's reprogrammed when using it?

The bandwidth has been measured with reliable equipment already a few times on hacked DS2072s and on unhacked DS2202s - and it's the same. What other proof do you want that the hardware is identical?

[neslekkim]

Yeah, i just find it strange, thats all