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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #675 on: August 27, 2015, 09:52:01 pm »
http://beyondmeasure.rigoltech.com/acton/attachment/1579/f-0580/1/-/-/-/-/DSA815%28DSP%29update_00.01.12.00.02.zip?sid=fTYU3cFT9

Expected 1.13 (from previous post it says its 13) buts its now actually FW1.14.
Tried it anyway on a modded 815-TG, seems to work  ;)
Any body have know where the put release notes?
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #676 on: August 27, 2015, 10:20:25 pm »
DSA815 Firmware 00.01.14 Release Notes are attacked:
Edit: Corrected DSA815 (was DSA915).
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #677 on: August 28, 2015, 02:29:06 pm »
DSA815 Firmware version 00.01.14 now provides for Inverse Color Printing of a displayed image copied to a USB Flash Drive.  This of course provides a image that uses much less toner/ink to print, and makes it much easier to add notes/comments to saved display images.
Although it still will NOT save a JPG image to a USB Flash Drive.  No matter what image type is selected it still always copies a BMP image to the USB Flash Drive.  And a BMP image here is at least 10 times larger than a JPG image.
Also the Grey Scale and Color Print options each always result in a saved Color image.

    Therefor JPG and Grey Scale display image saving to USB still Does NOT Work.  :-//
Please let me know if your results are different.  Thank you. . .

Yes, PeDre's excellent Rigol Screen Capture LAN/USB Utility can be used to do all this very nicely.  http://peter.dreisiebner.at/rigol-bildschirmkopie-lan/download.htm
   
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #678 on: August 28, 2015, 04:28:23 pm »
in addition at D3f1ant, any other user can confirm if trials time hack (write protect FRAM) works with 1.14?
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #679 on: August 29, 2015, 05:04:26 pm »
Just loaded ver 1.14 and so far so good  :-+

 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #680 on: August 31, 2015, 07:23:38 pm »
I upgraded to the 1.14 FW but this problem is still there

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dsa815-tg-10-mhz-issue/

 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #681 on: August 31, 2015, 11:10:42 pm »
Just a curiosity question on this.
Would it do any good to set the tracking generator up as you have but feed it to another SA's input and see if it's the 815's TG specifically,  Then hook that other TG Output to the 815's input and and check the 815's input.

I would think (and for the sake of explanation I'll call the other SA just SA2)
If SA2 reading the 815's TG show's the same blip then it's definitely the 815's TG itself.
if SA2 shows an OK reading of the 815's TG.   then what's left may be either the 815's SA or 815's SA/TG combination
So now feed the SA2's TG (setup same as the 815TG was setup and disconnect the 815's TG from SA2 of course) to the 815's Input
if the 815 reads OK then the 815's SA is OK
So that may then show it's the combination of the 815TG feed to the 815's input that's the issue.
if I had 2 SA's I'd do it.

Does my logic make sense?
Does anyone have 2 SA's with TG to do that test if you'al feel it would actualy prove anything?
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #682 on: September 01, 2015, 10:08:07 am »
Hi smgvbest,

before to open the ticket with the Rigol I already checked what you are suggesting, it's confirmed by the Germany Rigol support that it's a common issue in ALL 815-TG and that they are not able at this time (already 1 year passed since I wrote them) to find a solution and that I have to keep it as it is. It's confirmed by others with the HW as mine (check the original post for details), it was present in a brand new one by the reseller, it's present in all the 815-TG.

The problem arise when you turn On the TG, the SA sweep forget numerous bits passing exactly on 10.000.000 Hz.

If you own a 815-TG you will have it and believe me, every time I need to measure a filter in the HF region my eye falls always on that glitch. Not nice if I think I gave money to pay an engineer who is not able to fix  this issue.

I always think that if an instrument is not able to measure something is't just a bells and whistles flipper game.

At least they should give the TG option for free because it's a faulty project.

 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #683 on: September 01, 2015, 11:17:34 am »
I did read that post before I posted my question.
My question was one of clarity for us.
Has anyone done such a test with a second SA to look at the TG signal alone to see if it in in the TG signal itself or is it a combination of the TG/SA on the 815.

Can you post screen shots showing the TG output of the 815 on the other SA you tested with if you've done this?
I'm curious to see if its purely the TG or the combination of both on the 815
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #684 on: September 01, 2015, 03:46:48 pm »
I did read that post before I posted my question.
My question was one of clarity for us.
Has anyone done such a test with a second SA to look at the TG signal alone to see if it in in the TG signal itself or is it a combination of the TG/SA on the 815.

Can you post screen shots showing the TG output of the 815 on the other SA you tested with if you've done this?
I'm curious to see if its purely the TG or the combination of both on the 815

FWIW, a few weeks ago I did a test where I connected the triggers of a a scope and the 815 and let the TG sweep. Regrettably it was inconclusive.

There is a definite discontinuity that occurs at 10MHz, but it was significantly less than that shown on the SA. I tried it at a number of levels too, in case it could be shown that the TG was operating non-linearly somewhere in the frequency chain: the error the 815 SA shows is much less with lower TG power, but the relative TG discontinuity remained the same at the 10MHz transition irrespective of power.

At that point I assumed non-linearity in the SA's mixer, but that doesn't add up either as you'd expect that behaviour to exist over a fairly broad frequency range.

Although I realise it's been diagnosed unfixable in software by Rigol, I am not convinced. if it were a hardware fault, I'd expect the glitch to exist over a wider range of frequencies. Having said that, it is possible that there is some interaction between the internal 10MHz reference and the behaviour seen, it does seem rather coincidental that the ref is at 10MHz as is this trace glitch. If that were the case though, I'd expect the error to be worse at lower TG powers rather than better.

So in short the jury was out for me, but as it doesn't affect me (for now!) I didn't bother to pursue it any further.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #685 on: September 07, 2015, 06:50:49 pm »
Every Single DSA815-TG, NOT Just Those With the Newer Hardware (i.e. Main Board .07/8) has a problem with the SA Measured frequency using a Resolution Bandwidth (RBW) greater than 100 Hz or so when the Tracking Generator is turned On.
->  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dsa815-tg-10-mhz-issue/msg749136/#msg749136

Edit: Underlined - when the Tracking Generator is turned On
« Last Edit: September 07, 2015, 07:00:30 pm by ted572 »
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #686 on: September 26, 2015, 05:53:30 pm »
Hello dear!
You could help me?
Are there any have this firmware unlocking methods other than soldering pins FRAM?
Analyzer DSA815-TG

Firmware 00.01.09
Boot 00.01.04
Mainboard 00.07
Radio board 00.05
FPGA 00.04

Thank you
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #687 on: September 26, 2015, 07:42:41 pm »
According to what I read, with the 01.04 bootloader there is no other solution available at the moment.
If you fear to mess something, you could use a single strand wire of copper between the pins.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #688 on: October 12, 2015, 05:22:40 pm »

My 815 is coming today.

I've been lurking, hoping someone real sharp would have a solution to the 1.04 problem.

Thanks!
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #689 on: November 29, 2015, 10:48:13 pm »
Dears,

Yes, Pin-connecting 7+8 works with Main Board 00.08 Boot 00.01.04 and FW 00.01.14.
Does anyone know which components you need for an upgrading to the Tracking Generator option, for analyzers without build-in tracking ?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2015, 10:50:57 pm by autoelectra »
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #690 on: November 29, 2015, 11:00:58 pm »
Dears,

Yes, Pin-connecting 7+8 works with Main Board 00.08 Boot 00.01.04 and FW 00.01.14.
Does anyone know which components you need for an upgrading to the Tracking Generator option, for analyzers without build-in tracking ?
This equals a snowball's chance in hell. Even adding all parts (=expensive) would result in a non calibrated and thus useless tracking generator.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2015, 11:02:29 pm by Pinkus »
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #691 on: November 30, 2015, 12:03:17 am »
Every Single DSA815-TG, NOT Just Those With the Newer Hardware (i.e. Main Board .07/8) has a problem with the SA Measured frequency using a Resolution Bandwidth (RBW) greater than 100 Hz or so when the Tracking Generator is turned On.
->  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dsa815-tg-10-mhz-issue/msg749136/#msg749136

Edit: Underlined - when the Tracking Generator is turned On

I was going to buy a DSA815-TG next week but now I don't know ... is it still a good buy considering this bug has not been fixed?
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #692 on: November 30, 2015, 06:24:29 pm »
Dears,

I bought this fantastic analyzer for 800€ + 1Year Garanty from dealer(one customer before send it back to dealer, and now it is used and therefore price-reduced)
Of course I understand, the tracking generator costs only 200€ more, (for me as radio-amateur, important)but I had no choise, buy or not? You get what you pay for.:-//
Remaining demo time for options at buying: 35h30m.
And used equipment from HP: spareparts, not always easy to get them and heavy equipment.
So I hope, there is a solution in 1-2 years and I can update with additional hardware to Tracking-Generator. :-//
« Last Edit: December 01, 2015, 08:09:15 pm by autoelectra »
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #693 on: November 30, 2015, 06:40:35 pm »
Every Single DSA815-TG, NOT Just Those With the Newer Hardware (i.e. Main Board .07/8) has a problem with the SA Measured frequency using a Resolution Bandwidth (RBW) greater than 100 Hz or so when the Tracking Generator is turned On.
->  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dsa815-tg-10-mhz-issue/msg749136/#msg749136

Edit: Underlined - when the Tracking Generator is turned On

I was going to buy a DSA815-TG next week but now I don't know ... is it still a good buy considering this bug has not been fixed?

I have the DSA815-TG with the VB1020 options. I absolutely adore the equipment, and it works very well for all the practical applications I use it for as a ham radio operator. Good luck finding another SA/TG brand new for the same price, or dealing with used stuff on ebay...
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #694 on: November 30, 2015, 07:01:42 pm »
Can this bug eventually be fixed in software, or is it really a hardware bug?
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #695 on: December 01, 2015, 08:34:07 am »
Can this bug eventually be fixed in software, or is it really a hardware bug?

It is difficult to see why these features can't be solved in firmware, although Rigol have apparently previously stated that the 10MHz glitch is hardware related.

I could see that the frequency glitches might lead to a non-uniform linear frequency sweep, these could well be due to a change in the frequency derivation chain which might mean it takes a few ms more at those particular steps for the frequency chain to settle.
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #696 on: December 01, 2015, 08:15:40 pm »
Evening, I have been away abroad for few months and had no time for my equipment. May i please ask about the latest 2 software upgrades lately.

My 815 have the 00.01.12 installed, now i received 2 upgrades which are the 00.01.13 and today the 00.01.14.

If i may ask can i do directly the latest from 00.01.12 to 00.01.14 and skip the 00.01.13 ? 

What would i gain from this upgrade as fixes or add ons ? 

My board version is 00.01.04

Thanks for your assistance and your time gents.

Ray

Ray
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #697 on: December 01, 2015, 08:30:50 pm »
Evening, I have been away abroad for few months and had no time for my equipment. May i please ask about the latest 2 software upgrades lately.

My 815 have the 00.01.12 installed, now i received 2 upgrades which are the 00.01.13 and today the 00.01.14.

If i may ask can i do directly the latest from 00.01.12 to 00.01.14 and skip the 00.01.13 ? 

What would i gain from this upgrade as fixes or add ons ? 

My board version is 00.01.04

Thanks for your assistance and your time gents.

Ray

Hi Ray,
simply download it from int.rigol.com also something new :-+
rgds
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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #698 on: December 01, 2015, 09:08:43 pm »
I see f/w 00.01.14 and 00.01.15 update files on Rigol site. Does anyone have release notes for this versions? Is it worth to update from 00.01.12 on unit with all options activated?
 

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Re: Spectrum Analyzer - Rigol DSA815
« Reply #699 on: December 01, 2015, 09:42:59 pm »
It is difficult to see why these features can't be solved in firmware, although Rigol have apparently previously stated that the 10MHz glitch is hardware related.

When and where did they state this? Do you have a link?

In case it would be an hardware issue, would it mean a new revision of the Rigol DSA815?
Maybe they have already fixed the hardware issue in the mean time in a newer revision?

Is Rigol support in America in the loop on this subject matter already?
 


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