Spotted new birds...(Siglent MSO/SDS2000, SDS3000)

[rf-loop]

Siglent

SDS2000 and 3000?
Strange birds. Evolution proceeds?

[AndyC_772]

"Birds"... ?

[BravoV]

Wow .. I didn't know birds in Finland look like that ! Don't they even have wings ? ...j/k   

Thanks for the info rf-loop, pretty sure that is not sub $500 bird isn't it ?

[Nermash]

Looks nice, 4 channel, maybe even LA or function gen option? Proper intensity grading. Old school LeCroy color scheme.
I am interested. Can you get a sample for a sneak preview

[amyk]

Not surprising about the colour scheme as some of the LeCroys are Siglents.

[digsys]

Not a single peep on google ....  :-)

[Nermash]

There are some pictures on the Siglent web, marketing news section. It seems that they are showing them of at major fairs.
Unfortunately, none of the promo pictures gives any further details, apart from what looks like auto probe interface on 3000 series.

[nctnico]

Siglent

SDS2000 and 3000?
Strange birds. Evolution proceeds?

Not really. They look very much like the way the Japanese design their scopes. They make the case high and narrow so you have more room on your test bench.

[EEVblog]

I heard Siglent were coming out with a new scope. Very Agilent looking two tone knobs?
And of course clearly aimed at the Agilent 2000X and 3000X based on the numbers. That's the new game in town to duplicate the model series numbers.

Based on the dates, were showing them back in April:
http://www.siglent.com/en/news/detail.aspx?id=100000051932812&nodecode=119002003

[don.r]

The inputs seem to have lost their way on the front panel... 

[SLJ]

The inputs seem to have lost their way on the front panel... 

Looks like they are right under the display.

[EEVblog]

The inputs seem to have lost their way on the front panel... 

Yeah, quite unusual to have them under the screen, and nowhere near the vertical controls 

[EEVblog]

The SDS3000 looks to be equivalent in height to the Agilent 4000 series that doesn't fit on your average shelf.

[don.r]

At least there isn't the liberal splash of pastels as is the trend these days. I see a little on the vertical controls and I guess some on the connectors but less than on some Chinese "toy-like" scopes.

[SLJ]

What was the reasoning for not having them near their controls?  even to the left or right.  Under the display makes no sense.

[Hydrawerk]

Oh, these are weird. Well, LCDs and CPUs are cheap these days. The 1996 is far away, it's time to stop using those QVGA 240×320 displays. And in 20 years we will have 12-bit ADC scopes as standard, I hope!

[Nermash]

Another teaser leaked from Siglent for the new 3000 series, here is what I managed to read from this marketing photo:

* max 1 GHz bandwith
* 4 GS/s sampling rate
* 20 Mpoint memory
* 300 000 wf/s update rate !

[Hydrawerk]

Siglent - the new 3000 series

I wonder if it will be sold under the LeCroy brand, like the WaveAce series.

[grego]

Siglent looks like it's coming out with interesting gear.  Too bad you can't get it in the US easily.  Ah well, we can't have everything here!

[Hydrawerk]

These new scopes are not even sold in Europe.

[Hydrawerk]

Hey, this Siglent SDS2000 scope looks better than Rigol DS2000 or GW Instek GDS2000A. It is clearly inspired by Agilent MSOX2000.
It looks great. 
http://www.siglent.com/cn/product/detail.aspx?id=100000007854687&nodecode=105008001
But it is still sold only in China, probably.

[Hydrawerk]

Siglent should send one scope to Dave.

[Fsck]

The crux will be support and firmware

[mos6502]

My main complaint with the SDS1000 series is the crappy screen and the slow UI ... if they've fixed that, and maybe start properly testing the scopes before they send them out the factory, it might be worth waiting for instead of getting a Rigol DS2000 series.

[echen1024]

Nothing on ebay so far...

[jpb]

The crutch will be support and firmware

Did you mean crux? 

[Hydrawerk]

They should make a design change like this.

[Fsck]

The crutch will be support and firmware

Did you mean crux? 

yep.
also it'd be nice if the inputs were in line with the knobs just as a purely convenience thing

[echen1024]

It is $1000 USD in China in case anyone was wondering. Not sure which model, but comes standard with serial decode I think...

[tautech]

Hi All
Decoding and MSO will be options.
Unfortunately we have to wait till next year for release outside China.

[Zbig]

I like the separate Auto/Normal/Single trigger mode buttons. I only have one [Auto/Normal]<->[Single] button on my SDS-1072CML and find it inadequate sometimes as often I'd like to alternate between Normal and Auto quickly but have to go to the menu for that.

[Zbig]

They should make a design change like this.

Hmm... while it definitely would have more sense aesthetically, I noticed that protruding probe connectors restrict my access to "Position" knobs a little, forcing me to pinch them awkwardly.

[Electro Fan]

They should make a design change like this.

Yes - it would have been nicer; my guess is they tried but couldn't figure out how to make the packaging work for some manufacturing reason.  Still looks like a pretty thoughtful layout though.  Hope it works well and is priced well.

[echen1024]

It's more than the DS2072 in China...
Wtf?

[Carrington]

According to this web the price for the SDS2072 would be about 710€.
Source: http://www.hi1718.com/company/223788/products/2013102493143485.html

[rockandroll]

Hey, this Siglent SDS2000 scope looks better than Rigol DS2000 or GW Instek GDS2000A. It is clearly inspired by Agilent MSOX2000.
It looks great. 
http://www.siglent.com/cn/product/detail.aspx?id=100000007854687&nodecode=105008001
But it is still sold only in China, probably.

it may be better than Agilent MSOX2000 which  is a product for years

[echen1024]

It will be available 1-14-2014

[olsenn]

Still not intensity graded; rather it changes colour

[rf-loop]

Still not intensity graded; rather it changes colour

Is this "truth" from "radio jerevan"  or some other garbage generator?

Datasheet page 7 read: Intensity grading: 256 levels.

Also there in datasheet is one picture text read: "Support 256 intensity grading and color temperature waveform display".

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4 channel model can use so that it have 2GSa/s for two channels.
Channels in use
1: 2GSa/s
2: 2x 2GSa/s   (Rigol DS2000 2x1GSa/s)
4: 4x1GSa/s   (Rigol 1000Z  4x 250MSa/s)

[olsenn]

Is this "truth" from "radio jerevan"  or some other garbage generator?

Datasheet page 7 read: Intensity grading: 256 levels.

Also there in datasheet is one picture text read: "Support 256 intensity grading and color temperature waveform display".

It's possible I was only looking at the "color temperature waveform display" but on the Chinese Siglent site it gives operational photos of the scope in action and where it referenced intensity grading it only showed a waveform that turned from blue/green to yellow/red to convey the same data as a normal intensity grading display

[tautech]

More new birds.....
From images at the recent Munich show....recently posted on the Siglent website.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/qyxwxx.aspx?id=983&sid=26
Siglent would not let me see it when I visited a few weeks ago. Got a glimspe, but it was off limits.
If it follows the SDS2000 series development timeframe it might be a while until we see it for real.
As yet I don't even know the model/series, maybe someone that was in Munich can enlighten us ?

New DSO looks very interesting, seems like a larger display and a much smaller format than the SDS2000 series.

[Hydrawerk]

Well, they should rather properly finish the firmware of SDS2000 series scopes.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/review-siglent-sds2304-a-comparison-of-features-with-rigol-ds2000-series/msg541052/#msg541052

[tautech]

Well, they should rather properly finish the firmware of SDS2000 series scopes.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/review-siglent-sds2304-a-comparison-of-features-with-rigol-ds2000-series/msg541052/#msg541052

Agreed.
Don't worry we have been nagging Siglent for some time, but better they get it right than release it incomplete.

[Hydrawerk]

I think that there are some countries where american scopes are prohibited. So they must buy chinese instruments.

[tautech]

I think that there are some countries where american scopes are prohibited. So they must buy chinese instruments.

Really?
Where?

[Wuerstchenhund]

I think that there are some countries where american scopes are prohibited. So they must buy chinese instruments.

Really?
Where?

North Korea? 

Seriously, I doubt that is the case. There are export restrictions for certain stuff to certain countries like NK or Iran, but I'm pretty sure if these countries had the chance to get American made scopes (which often are made somewhere else anyways, or just the final assembly is in the US) then they would take them.

[Mark_O]

Well, they should rather properly finish the firmware of SDS2000 series scopes.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/review-siglent-sds2304-a-comparison-of-features-with-rigol-ds2000-series/msg541052/#msg541052

Agreed.
Don't worry we have been nagging Siglent for some time, but better they get it right than release it incomplete.

I disagree.     Well, not with the "get it right" part.     But releasing something incrementally, that is "incomplete" would be fine... as long as substantial improvements had been made.  That's probably what will wind up happening anyway.  By delaying an update for so long, Siglent locks themselves into an expectation that it will be, as you say, "complete".  And if it's not, people will still be disappointed.

[tautech]

And if it's not, people will still be disappointed.

Let's hope the reverse is the case. 

[Mark_O]

More new birds.....
From images at the recent Munich show....recently posted on the Siglent website.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/qyxwxx.aspx?id=983&sid=26
Siglent would not let me see it when I visited a few weeks ago. Got a glimspe, but it was off limits.

Thanks for the new info.  I noticed that Steve, their GM from the US, was there, helping man the booth.  Did anyone from here who said they were attending the show, stop by and pick up a brochure?  I see that one of their new products (likely a spectrum analyzer) has a visual motif (black & white styling) reminiscent of some RTM-series scopes from Rohde & Schwarz.

If it follows the SDS2000 series development timeframe it might be a while until we see it for real.

And here, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you... the Master of Understatement.   

If it does follow the SDS2000-series trajectory (and honestly, I can't see how they can afford to do that again), we should expect an announcement it will be released next May.  It will actually appear next November 2015.  And in May 2016 they will be promising functional improvements "soon".   

As yet I don't even know the model/series, maybe someone that was in Munich can enlighten us ?

Yes, I'm surprised we've heard nothing yet from any of the attendees.

New DSO looks very interesting, seems like a larger display and a much smaller format than the SDS2000 series.

I'm happy to see them pursuing 4-channel scopes.  Though I see they've moved the input BNCs back under the channel controls again, like all other scopes.  I kinda liked how they bucked the trend on the SDS2000, and your knuckles weren't scraping the BNCs as you adjusted the Channel offsets.

[echen1024]

I think that there are some countries where american scopes are prohibited. So they must buy chinese instruments.

Really?
Where?

North Korea? 

Seriously, I doubt that is the case. There are export restrictions for certain stuff to certain countries like NK or Iran, but I'm pretty sure if these countries had the chance to get American made scopes (which often are made somewhere else anyways, or just the final assembly is in the US) then they would take them.

In China, about 20-40 years ago, US made Tek/Agilent scopes were not permitted to be imported. Needless to say, the labs had them anyways. When the Americans came, however, their first order of business was to hide all of it.