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Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« on: January 16, 2017, 03:23:14 PM »
This is the official TEA (Test Equipment Anonymous) house for everyone who has GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome). Share your stories of woe, trying to manage all the wonderful test gear you keep scoring. Maybe group therapy will cure you. Then, again, maybe not. Well, as long as you enjoy it, what's one more multimeter in the grand scheme of things?



Glossary of Terms, Conditions, Causes, and Effects

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  • ALDERAAN: Accessible Location of Disused Equipment Ready And Available Now - A code word used when members of a TEA group wish to quickly and inconspicuously communicate interest in a viable source of gear, e.g., "I've just found a new Alderaan." To outsiders, the reference is dismissed as one related to the Star Wars franchise, a perception which is further reinforced with the fate of each Alderaan having strong similarities, namely, the scattering of all the constituent parts to leave nothing behind. These similarities and the use of actual names of the equipment allow for open discussion to be attributed to being more Star Wars banter by those unfamiliar with TEA and GAS.
  • Bait Theory: The bait theory of equipment acquisition states that if you want something but can't find it, start collecting all of the parts, documents, etc., that you will need to repair and/or operate it. Somewhere out there, there is a broken device that "knows" that you have the parts to fix it and it will find its way to you.
  • BaSOwItSeF: Bought a Second One with Intent to Sell the First - Usually occurs when you see a listing for an item that is cheaper, in better condition, newer, etc. than the one you already have. This act has been known to recur, resulting in more than two of the same item.
  • BCCS: Burning Credit Card Syndrome - A precursor to DBA.
  • BNP:  Brand Name Psychosis - An obsession with test equipment from a particular manufacturer who is typically really expensive.
  • BUSTED: Bought Unnecessary Shitload of Test Equipment Devices
  • CAF: Constant Acquisition Fatigue - Counteracts the effects of TEA, which can protect one from BCCS and DBA. The effects of CAF are usually temporary. Antonym: deCAF
  • CAFE: Caught Again Finding Equipment - When your other half walks in and chastises you for being on eBay again having a COFFEE or, even worse, right in the middle of making a TEA!
  • CAP: Costly Accessory Phobia - Counteracts the effects of TEA.
  • CCC (or 3C): Calibrator Components Collector
  • CCMHA: Cheap China Modules History Accumulator - The urge to document history of engineering progress on small cheap Chinese electronic modules.
  • COFFEE: Continuous Observations For Future Electronics Equipment - The state when you just can't stop running searches on eBay because you just know that the piece of equipment that you don't yet know you need is going to be listed at any moment.
D-F
  • DBA: Drained Bank Account
  • DEEP: Duplicated Electronics Equipment Possession or Duplicated Endangered Equipment Possession - See also, DMM and TEST.
  • DMM: Duplicate Meter Mania
  • DPI: Dimensional Perfection Impulse - The need to have all equipment possess or occupy the same vertical or horizontal dimension when stacking or arranging on shelves or in racks.
  • EMI: Equipment Matching Impulse - This includes ESD and SMD, but covers a much wider and varied range.  As well as these disorders, EMI also includes the desire to acquire equipment from a particular manufacturer and, in extreme cases, a particular range of equipment in order to get a matching 'set' (see also, TEST). Further, EMI encompasses the expansion of the definition of 'slot' to include any space that is vacant on the test bench - or that may become vacant through reorganization - especially when matching physical dimensions, width in particular, is a driving consideration (see also, DPI).
  • EOTS: Early Onset TEA Syndrome - A form of the addiction that is severely debilitating to the wallet and budget, as it does not progressively get worse, but blossoms into full fruit from the first drool while looking through eBay. Some may feel that it is a congenital problem and not learned nor acquired.
  • ESD: Empty Slot Disorder - Refers to mainframe types of test equipment that have slots for functional modules or cards. Any empty slot must be filled by acquiring modules or cards, which leads to ESI.
  • ESI: eBay Search Inspiration or eBay Search Infection - Often caused by TEE, ESD, or looking at too many posts in the "Post your latest purchase" or "List your test equipment scores" threads.
  • FUSS: Future Usefulness Speculation Syndrome - The inability to part with or sell equipment and parts as a result of rationalization about potential projects, repairs, etc. for which it will one day be useful.
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  • GAS: Gear Acquisition Syndrome - Note that GAS could be misdiagnosed in cases of HUM.
  • GPSDO: Generic Pathological Syndrome Desiring Oscilloscopes
  • HFO: High Frequency Obsession - May be a mutation of TEA. The gear you own will never have enough frequency range driving you to buy faster scopes, better generators, faster spectrum analyzers, etc.
  • IHEG: I Have Enough Gear - Those with TEA don't understand what this means. It seems to be associated with people who have had an inordinate amount of pressure from outsiders, such as spouse and family. From the scant reports available, it is rarely spoken and, if so, is done in hushed tones. The structure of the term is haphazard and all indications are that it is an alien import that has been forced into place.
  • HUM: Hyperbolic Unboxing Mania - Someone with HUM shows quite often the same symptoms as GAS, and that can lead to the wrong assumption of the latter. One of the most typical signs of HUM is the creation of videos showing the unboxing of packages with electronics and test equipment. One study observed that watching those videos can have a negative impact on patients with GAS. Patients with HUM will usually acquire gear that often times doesn't satisfy their needs. HUM is often confused with SCM.
  • IMD: Instrumentation Mania Disorder - When there aren't enough hours in the day to stop thinking about test equipment.
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  • LATTE: Last Addition To Test Equipment - When you promise yourself, your credit card, your bank balance and your other half that this really is the last TEA you will make. It's quite often immediately follows CAFE when you get caught just as you hit the commit to buy button and then you hastily promise LATTE to try and remedy a bad situation.
  • LED: Lab Equipment Disorder
  • LSUG: Lazy to Sell Unused Gear
M-O
  • METH: Maintaining Endangered Test gear at Home
  • MIP: Missing Instrument Psychosis - The belief that an instrument you do not already possess was owned by you at some former time, but was lost, stolen or disappeared. Hence, a replacement must be purchased to replace it.
  • MIPS: Mouser Impulsive Purchasing Syndrome, Measuring Instrument Purchasing Syndrome - The former is an offshoot of TEA, which applies to excessive acquisition of electronics components; the latter is an associated activity of TEA.
  • NOS: Now On Sale or New Old Stock - A serious contributor to TEA.
  • NTSC: Nixie Tube System Collector
  • OSCAR: OSCilloscope Acquisition disordeR - A malady that leads to the possession of way too many oscilloscopes.
P-R
  • PETA: Preservation of Equipment Through Acquisition
  • PETTE: People for the Ethical Treatment of Test Equipment
  • RAID: Redundant Array of Instrumentation Devices - When just one piece of gear simply isn't enough. Of course, having three or more is better for cross-checking the validity of measurements. See also, DEEP, DMM and TEST.
S-V
  • SAD: Shipping Anxiety Disorder - Unrest during the time when you order a piece of test equipment on eBay but the seller hasn't shipped it yet.  Where you keep going back to your eBay account to see if it has shipped, even though you know they would email a notification that it had shipped.  But you think that maybe somehow you missed the email or it got lost on the Internet somewhere.  So you go back again to refresh the order page.
  • SCM: Serial Collector Mania -  We have all seen these poor souls torture themselves to try and acquire every HP signal generator, or every Tektronix spectrum analyzer. Soon they become incapable of functioning normally in the hobby as they are obsessed to have every last item in their target gear type. The extreme cases are truly sad. SCM destroys families and even communities. See example.
  • SCOPE: Serious & Chronic Obsession with Personal Electronics
  • SECRET: Surreptitiously Enjoying Covertly Received Ebay Transactions
  • SMD: Slot Mismatch Disorder - A variant of ESD where new modules or slots must be acquired to rectify the mismatched condition.
  • SPEED: Systematic Preservation of Endangered Electronic Devices
  • SQS: Shelf Queen Syndrome - Prized pieces of test equipment that are too good to use and instead sit on a shelf to be admired.
  • TEA: Test Equipment Anonymous, Test Equipment Addict, Test Equipment Addiction, or Test Equipment Acquisition
  • TEE: Test Equipment Enthusiast - A precursor to TEA. Also, Test Equipment Envy.
  • TEO: Test Equipment Overload - When TEA really goes overboard.
  • TEST: Test Equipment Symmetry Transfixation - A personal idiosyncrasy desiring identical pieces or brands of test equipment to be side by side. If the afflicted person sees any equipment or brands in their lab that do not have a complementary unit, they will tend to be drawn to eBay or other sellers to find something to complete the perceived lack of symmetry. This affliction tends to develop gradually.
  • TON: Temptations Of NOS (New Old Stock) or Temptations Of NIB (New In Box)
  • TN: Time Nut - One who is obsessed with timing and time accuracy. A significant contributor to TEA.
  • VMD: Version Match Disorder - When you are driven to have all the cards in the slots of a device to be the same firmware and revisions, irrespective of whether it really affects how the unit actually operates, and thus you now need extra frames to house the now mismatched card and housings.
  • VN: Volt Nut - One who is obsessed with measurements and measuring accuracy, precision and resolution. A significant contributor to TEA.
W-Z
  • WIFI: Whisker Intensive Fending Initiative - A typical response to distract those critical of TEA affected persons with images and/or stories of their animal friends.  It is also used within TEA affected circles to redirect attention away from their addiction, while still feeling safe within that group of like minds.
  • YAGI: Yet Another Gain for Inventory:  A term used to rationalise the typical consequences of GAS - especially when there is no immediate or prospective need for an item.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 03:28:20 PM »
In the "List your test equipment "scores" here!" thread, someone had asked what the 12 steps program was like.

1. Join EEVblog
2. Score some test gear
3. Post about your test equipment scores
4. Buy more test gear
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10. Buy yet more test gear
11. Join TEA
12. Build your first circuit :-DD

which Pat kindly expanded upon

Here - as a certifiable TGAS sufferer (who am I kidding - I'm not suffering - I enjoy it!!) - let me flesh that ellipsis section out:

5. Buy op/service manuals for test gear on evilBay
6. Troubleshoot test gear
7. Seek out obsolete/discontinued components to repair test gear  |O
8. Read nixie thread and/or look at old HP Instrumentation catalogs   >:D >:D >:D >:D
9. Repeat steps 2 through 7, now searching for older, heavier, more expensive to ship things   :o 
....
12. Buy or build more shelves to hold test gear   :-+
13. (or later) - build first circuit   :-DD :-DD

-Pat

followed by Sean

14. Repeat steps 2 to 12 numerous times, either till the house is full ( then move to a bigger house) or the wife leaves.

and then, Berni

Today i just filled the last spot in my 42U high rack cabinet by adding in a Gigatronics 6100 8GHz synthesizer that managed to repair at 2 in the morning. :-+
...
but i also scored a Tektronix pattern generator for 40 bucks on ebay a few days ago. :-\

For me it mostly started as getting the test gear i needed for a better price since quality brand new gear costs a fortune. But in order to find a good deal on places like ebay means looking trough a lot of pages and keeping eyes open, as good deals go fast, but along the way one keeps coming across other gear that you perhaps don't need right now but it would be neat to have. But hey all this test gear is useful for doing work and you can always sell it (If done right for more than what you payed for it)... tho i only ever sold 1 piece of test equipment so far (And lost money on it cause i bought it new).

Still better than collecting stamps (Tho they are easier to ship overseas il give them that)

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 04:51:26 PM »
My name is Robert and I am a test equipment-aholic,  (HiHi)
My purchases really took off as about the time eBay began I paid off the mortgage.
 I try to switch on the working stuff once a month to keep the electros etc happy.
Seriously I am running out of room,  and have enough projects to keep me busy till I get to 90yo (am 55yo now) !
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2017, 05:10:35 PM »
I don't need to worry about the latter part of Sean's step 14 - the wife punched out a bit before I really got back into playing with electronics as a hobby, and about a year before the TGAS really hit.   :D  The cats are cool with it - they enjoy climbing on the boxes when it comes, and later stealing and losing the parts off the bench.  Climbing the equipment rack is a popular pastime as well.

My biggest downfall is stuff that contains glowie glass things, whether they be numeric displays or transistor predecessors that control streams of electrons flowing within their evacuated selves.  And any HP stuff with a density greater than that of a neutron star (which pretty much covers ALL of it!)

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2017, 05:48:51 PM »
It all started ~15 years ago when I was given my first CRO and it needed fixing....that wasn't too hard  :) .....oh look there's another busted one on our local online buy/sell Trademe.
Fixed that one too, then another, then another, and another.......... Oh look a broken DSO.....fixed and sold, and another..... Hmmm, these things are easier to sell than CRO's.  ;D

No cheap new DSO's available locally.  :-//  Hmm let's try one from eBay  >:D ... and another, and another....until a big sale deal for a good # of units came up........ Shite what do I do now ?  :scared:

No need to tell the rest of the story....I've got heaps of bright shiny new ones now.  ;D

My name is Rob and I'm hooked on TE too.  ^-^

I plead guilty of helping others foster their addiction.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2017, 06:01:41 PM »
will your house also serve coffee? I don't drink TEA :o
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2017, 06:05:30 PM »
will your house also serve coffee? I don't drink TEA :o

It's an (all too easily) acquired taste.  Try it, you'll like it.   >:D >:D >:D

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2017, 06:10:24 PM »
Hi my names NNNneil and I'm a gearaholic, I just can't seem to get enough precision, and I've got a case of gas that crushed charcoal won't fix. sorry gotta dash ebay calling bye buy 8)
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2017, 06:12:01 PM »
I need some therapy...
I think i have replaced all my test equipment about three times over  ::)

From now i promise myself to go with the 2for1-method, i have to sell two instruments to buy me a new one.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2017, 06:38:48 PM »
I need some therapy...
I think i have replaced all my test equipment about three times over  ::)

From now i pormise myself to go with the 2for1-method, i have to sell two instruments to buy me a new one.

Ummm...  I don't think you fully grasp how this is supposed to work...   :P

(Hint - SELLING stuff does not enter the equation, especially not at a 2:1 ratio!!  That defeats the purpose!)  :-DD

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2017, 07:46:05 PM »
I need some therapy...
I think i have replaced all my test equipment about three times over  ::)

From now i pormise myself to go with the 2for1-method, i have to sell two instruments to buy me a new one.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2017, 08:22:11 PM »
Its all Dave's fault ...

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2017, 08:44:31 PM »
A very common symptom of GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) is as follows:
- buy a very sophisticated (and usually very expensive) measuring instrument that you do not need.
- spend long evenings looking for a circuit that would justify the purchase of this instrument.  :-DD

Another important symptom is to believe that a very sophisticated device will fill all the gaps that we have in electronic's knowledge and that it will transform us immediately into an "expert".

This results for example in believing that an old analog oscilloscope does not serve anything despite that it served us to go on the moon and to develop computer tecnology.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2017, 09:41:18 PM »
I had a number of crappy (manual range, fuse-less) DMMs since young, I used them to start my journey.
I got my first scope (Uni-T UT81B scope DMM) at age 17, and for the first time I can see waveforms with my own eyes.
I then got a real scope 2 years later, when I was in university. It was an Owon SDS7102, at that time, 1Gsps, 100MHz and 10Mpts was great, and even now it is great, but it didn't have DPO or any other advanced functions at all, just a single-shot-able analog scope with smaller chassis and battery power option.

During my junior year, I decided to treat myself with a decent DMM, so I bought a Fluke 289 and a Fluke 101, one for most works, and the other for electrical works, or as a secondary meter.
When I first came to US, I wanted a scope that is small enough to be placed in my crammed up dorm, so I bought my second scope, Owon VDS3102L, which is essentially the same of SDS7102, but without a screen, and runs off USB, plus it also has LAN, so isolated measurement is possible.
During my last year in MSEE program, I decided to get a proper scope with higher speed that can catch up with my circuit (I do 2-digit or 3-digit MHz DC/DC converter research), and that's the first time I ever own a Keysight equipment -- an MSOX3104A with all options. It proved to be a nice tool, though it died once, and Keysight replaced its acquisition board for me for free.

Before having my MSOX6004A, I needed to measure sub-ns rise time precisely for my research, and that's when I bought my Signal Hound SA44 4.4GHz spectrum analyzer and since I also do EMI testing, I also got a set of EMI probes.
Soon later, I bought my second Keysight tool, a U1461A insulation meter for dielectric characterization, as well as a second meter (I gave my Fluke 101 as a gift to someone else, so I had only one F289).
Eventually, thanks to ScopeMonth, I scored a fully loaded MSOX6004A for absolutely low price from a winner, and now I have a 6GHz scope, though I only measure up to 1GHz signal.

Meanwhile, I tried to be a volt nut, but I decided to save some money, so I didn't keep my Keithley 2002. The only high precision DMM I personally own is my Fluke 289, and I plan to get a Fluke 8846A in future.
I also have plan to buy a set of two N2752A active probes so I don't have to design in a balun on PCB whenever I need to probe a differential signal.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2017, 02:22:03 AM »
 Bah, just drink tea and buy more test equipment. There's no such thing as too much gear.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2017, 03:15:29 AM »
My name is Bingo - I'm a nut
I have unfortunately joined both time-nut's & volt-nut's

It all started with me getting a cheap Phillips PM6674 freq counter, that i wanted to calibrate  :scared:
Then i got a 10Mhz OCXO for that purpose , that i needed to calibrate  :palm:
Then i got a Tbolt for that purpose, that i .....
Then a PM6680 for ...
Then 5370B
Then ....
...
...

And then a friend of mine shipped me a cheap LM399 board  |O
Arrghhhhhhh  :scared: :scared:

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2017, 09:01:34 AM »
Just say NO to TEA.

Its just a small step from TEA to SPEED (Systematic Preservation of Endangered Electronic Devices). SPEED destroys lives!
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2017, 10:08:37 AM »
Just say NO to TEA.

LOL!

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Its just a small step from TEA to SPEED (Systematic Preservation of Endangered Electronic Devices). SPEED destroys lives!

Oh, no! I have had a taste of SPEED. It's very much related to PETA (Preservation of Equipment Through Acquisition). It's especially dangerous when a local recycler receives pallets of vintage test equipment or Speed-Paks full of printed manuals. I just can't handle that kind of volume, which ends up saving me from both syndromes.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2017, 10:12:26 AM »
1. Buy essential test equipment at bargain price
2. Investigate faults.
3. Fix major faults
4. Buy a similar model for parts
5. Repair both, and keep both in case one breaks
6. Find minor faults in functions you'll never use
7. Buy another piece of test equipment to fix / calibrate it with
8. goto 2
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2017, 10:23:04 AM »
@artag. That scenario does sound strangely familiar. I've gotten some gear just to calibrate earlier acquisitions.

Fixing stuff is great. But deciding which to keep and which to sell can be difficult. It's easier when considering that selling them quickly enables one to acquire and fix more cool stuff. Uh oh.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2017, 10:56:31 AM »
Just say NO to TEA.

Its just a small step from TEA to SPEED (Systematic Preservation of Endangered Electronic Devices). SPEED destroys lives!
when youre already on SPEED, then its only a small step towards METH, Maintaining Endangered Test gear at Home.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2017, 11:29:47 AM »
First step would be admitting you have a problem, which I don't.  I can stop any time I want. 
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2017, 11:40:34 AM »
1. Buy essential test equipment at bargain price
2. Investigate faults.
3. Fix major faults
4. Buy a similar model for parts
5. Repair both, and keep both in case one breaks
6. Find minor faults in functions you'll never use
7. Buy another piece of test equipment to fix / calibrate it with
8. goto 2

Have you been spying on me?!?   :o

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2017, 11:42:57 AM »
@artag. That scenario does sound strangely familiar. I've gotten some gear just to calibrate earlier acquisitions.

Fixing stuff is great. But deciding which to keep and which to sell can be difficult. It's easier when considering that selling them quickly enables one to acquire and fix more cool stuff. Uh oh.

What is this 'sell' thing of which you speak??   :P

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2017, 11:50:09 AM »
Just say NO to TEA.

Its just a small step from TEA to SPEED (Systematic Preservation of Endangered Electronic Devices). SPEED destroys lives!
when youre already on SPEED, then its only a small step towards METH, Maintaining Endangered Test gear at Home.

 :-DD  I hope work doesn't figure out that I'm on TEA, SPEED and METH!!

Though in my defense, I did manage NOT to bid on a Tek 547 on eBuy earlier today.  See?  I can resist!!  :P :P

(..anxiously awaiting the arrival of the 3450B that's on it's way this week...     :o )

-Pat
If it jams, force it.  If it breaks, you needed a new one anyway...
 


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