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Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« on: April 04, 2015, 05:21:30 pm »
Hello,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141138017533

Is this worthwhile?
I was considering using it to explore the behavior of various semiconductors.

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2015, 06:33:58 pm »
Noppe

Consider this one ...
http://www.syscompdesign.com/CTR-101_ep_60-1.html

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Lol, that's a whole order of magnitude beyond apples vs. oranges.
 
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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2015, 06:43:53 pm »
I also saw this:

http://www.changpuak.ch/electronics/Curve_Tracer_advanced.php

Not a kit, just a schematic.
 

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2015, 07:02:12 pm »
I bought the built earlier version from Thailand as it was so cheap. Works fine and is an interpretation of an Elektor design. Cr*p it is not. I bought this newer ready built revision but have yet to play with it.

You do get what you pay for, but cheap does not always mean no good. The unit comes with a schematic so can be easily modified to meet individual needs. Its basic but it works.

The built version is here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Transistor-Curve-Tracer-adapter-XY-Oscilloscopes-NPN-PNP-Vce-10V/140547987228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29384%26meid%3D8f4b0b82c46a48f98457355e541117ce%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D141138017533&rt=nc

Cheap as chips  :-+

I attach the original Elektor article plus the early version of this Thai offering.

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2015, 07:22:33 pm »

I attach the original Elektor article plus the early version of this Thai offering.

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2015, 07:31:30 pm »
If you have a scope and function generator, you can always use them to make a simple curve tracer:

 

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2015, 07:44:16 pm »
Also,

If wishing to look at semiconductor characteristics and I-V plots you could consider the Peak DCA75 PRO version at around £105 from the OEM in the UK. I ordered one today as they have a good reputation.

http://www.peakelec.co.uk/acatalog/dca75-dca-pro.html

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The unit offers long term semiconductor analysis capability and works 'stand-alone' and connected to a PC. Firmware and Software is updated on the web site and may be upgraded by the user.

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2015, 11:13:19 am »
Yes the peak does a verry good job, is quite small, fast, can test a lot of components, and has lots of options. It costs quite  a lot more, but I do think its worth it.
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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2015, 11:29:06 am »
Yes the peak does a verry good job, is quite small, fast, can test a lot of components, and has lots of options. It costs quite  a lot more, but I do think its worth it.
Totally agree,
For simple curve tracing, the PEAK is doing a great job and is very easy to use.

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2015, 07:55:17 pm »
I concur with the DCA75 suggestion, review here:



Noppe

Consider this one ...
http://www.syscompdesign.com/CTR-101_ep_60-1.html

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Lol, that's a whole order of magnitude beyond apples vs. oranges.

LMAO, comparing apples with tart tatin.

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2015, 10:48:58 pm »

If you want a curve tracer, best get old Tektronix 575/576/577. These have enough power to even test power transistors to death. HP 4145/4155 is also nice if you can find it cheaply. 7CT1N is nice for small tranistors, if you already have 7k mainframe. Tek 370/371 if you have lots of money. Tek 571 is also sometimes found quite cheaply if lucky, goes up to 1A IIRC.

What would be really cool if someone would develope a modular USB curve trace controller to be conncted to GPIB capable DVMs that has several high resolution DAC channels to control PSUs with analog remote input.

Idea is to use DAC channels for remote control of cheap HP power supplies (E36xx series and HP 626X/627X series) Beefy 626X/627X in constant voltage mode to supply transistor CE. Small HP E36xx for base supply in constant current mode. Put some shunts on collector supply and use a cheap HP345x DVM to measure CE current (voltage over shunt).

Controller board  sets base current on E36xx via DAC channel and sweeps CE voltage in small steps on 626X/627X PSU on second DAC channel while measuring CE current over GBIB connected DVM.

Improvement would be to use 3 GPIB multimeters to measure CE current and make precise regulation (e.g. PID controller on controller board) of base current and CE voltage.

That way you could get highly accurate transistor curves with nearly unlimited power in digital format, so no need to photograph the CRT to compare transistors. Also all parts are really cheap on ebay, in contrast to highly expensive Keithley 2400 sourcemeters.

Parts are also modular, nearly everybody has a PSU with analog remote input and some GPIB capable multimeter. So everything that is needed is a controller board for a few 10s of dollars with 2x 16bit DACs, a few HPIB connecors and isolated USB connector.

« Last Edit: April 06, 2015, 12:16:29 am by MadTux »
 

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2015, 08:10:07 pm »
I recommend the peak as well, but be warned that the voltages and currents are limited, due to it being driven by 5v USB and an internal AA cell. It boost converts this to 12v which is the max (depending on the mode. For example, it cannot identify zeners with >11v breakdown voltage).
 

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2015, 11:24:27 pm »
There is another Curve tracer on ebay that can handle +/- 36V 2.5A
http://www.ebay.com/itm/locky-zs-curve-tracer-finished-PCB-/111587792253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19fb26957d
You have to add power supply and Heatsink to finish it. He has a Yahoo Group but It hasn't been active for a while.
 

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2015, 11:46:21 pm »
There is another Curve tracer on ebay that can handle +/- 36V 2.5A
http://www.ebay.com/itm/locky-zs-curve-tracer-finished-PCB-/111587792253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19fb26957d
You have to add power supply and Heatsink to finish it. He has a Yahoo Group but It hasn't been active for a while.

The person who developed it is goes by "locky z" and he has a discussion of it on DIYAudio with a schematic.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/vendors-bazaar/205733-intelligent-curve-tracer-3-0-release.html
 

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2015, 02:11:45 am »
There is another Curve tracer on ebay that can handle +/- 36V 2.5A
http://www.ebay.com/itm/locky-zs-curve-tracer-finished-PCB-/111587792253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19fb26957d
You have to add power supply and Heatsink to finish it. He has a Yahoo Group but It hasn't been active for a while.

Or get through an agent or direct from Taobao, there is a complete set with a solid alumimum case.
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4023-1727506432.4.TcAODj&id=9100380344

For those who already bought the PCB assembly from ebay:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-1727506435.5.TcAODj&id=40132519890

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2015, 04:28:29 am »
There are MANY semiconductor manufactures to this day that are still using the Tektronix 576 as their standard curve tracer. The data and information a properly calibrated 576 can deliver is invaluable for design and overall evaluation of semiconductors, vacuum tubes, resistors, capacitors, inductors and more. Most anything that tell's it's story with a V-I curve can be tested with the 576, up to 1500 volts, 20 Amps pulses and 200 Amps with the 176 fixture. It can measure down to nano amps. step generator in current voltage, inverted, DC bias offset on the steps and a lot more.

There is a independent test gear repair company in Silly Valley that offers flat rate repair for Tek 576 and even same day turn around.
http://www.equiptek.info

One can tap in to the internals of the Tek 576 and route the X-Y signals to a DSO or similar digitizer and get the 576 data into digital format.

The Tektronix 576 was designed in the early-mid 1960's and has retained it's usefulness and market value to this day.

The later Tektronix-Sony 370 series cost more but offers a better interface for data. Functionally, the difference between the 576 with it's options and the 370 series is not much.

The Tek 576 is BIG heavy (about 70 pounds) and very serviceable. Not a hobby toy. No proper analog design lab is complete without one.



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If you want a curve tracer, best get old Tektronix 575/576/577. These have enough power to even test power transistors to death. HP 4145/4155 is also nice if you can find it cheaply. 7CT1N is nice for small tranistors, if you already have 7k mainframe. Tek 370/371 if you have lots of money. Tek 571 is also sometimes found quite cheaply if lucky, goes up to 1A IIRC.

What would be really cool if someone would develope a modular USB curve trace controller to be conncted to GPIB capable DVMs that has several high resolution DAC channels to control PSUs with analog remote input.

Idea is to use DAC channels for remote control of cheap HP power supplies (E36xx series and HP 626X/627X series) Beefy 626X/627X in constant voltage mode to supply transistor CE. Small HP E36xx for base supply in constant current mode. Put some shunts on collector supply and use a cheap HP345x DVM to measure CE current (voltage over shunt).

Controller board  sets base current on E36xx via DAC channel and sweeps CE voltage in small steps on 626X/627X PSU on second DAC channel while measuring CE current over GBIB connected DVM.

Improvement would be to use 3 GPIB multimeters to measure CE current and make precise regulation (e.g. PID controller on controller board) of base current and CE voltage.

That way you could get highly accurate transistor curves with nearly unlimited power in digital format, so no need to photograph the CRT to compare transistors. Also all parts are really cheap on ebay, in contrast to highly expensive Keithley 2400 sourcemeters.

Parts are also modular, nearly everybody has a PSU with analog remote input and some GPIB capable multimeter. So everything that is needed is a controller board for a few 10s of dollars with 2x 16bit DACs, a few HPIB connecors and isolated USB connector.
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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2016, 06:54:08 pm »
I bought the built earlier version from Thailand as it was so cheap. Works fine and is an interpretation of an Elektor design. Cr*p it is not.

I concur. Recently ordered the kit + the dual supply and it works a treat!
I've put the kit in a small enclosure (a repurposed serial port switcher). Has a 4-way (9 pin...) switch. Great for matching transistors!

Sure it's no Tek curve tracer, but I don't need anything like that. I like restoring amplifiers etc,.. and it's great to verify if *insert obsolete part* actually still works, or to match input diff pairs!

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2016, 08:19:14 pm »
Nice work.

It is certainly adequate for less demanding tasks, and in my experience works well. It is a bargain at the asking price.

Nice re-purposing of the enclosure.  :-+
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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2016, 02:08:35 am »
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Consider this one ...
http://www.syscompdesign.com/CTR-101_ep_60-1.html

I like the look of that, I might have to get one...
 

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2016, 04:24:39 am »
Noppe

Consider this one ...
http://www.syscompdesign.com/CTR-101_ep_60-1.html

Best regards,
gazelle

Hmmm....and I'm building a handheld version of that right now....like right this moment, solder is hitting the heater, bits are flowing back and forth...
I didn't take it apart.
I turned it on.

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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2016, 01:14:06 am »
I am going to ask a stupid question here.  I just got one of the curve tracer kits that Fraser and wirehead got.  My kit didn't include the PCB mounted RCA jacks and the RCA to BNC adapters.  I just got a couple of bulkhead mount BNC jacks.  My plan is to put this in an enclosure with my octopus circuit tester. 

Here is the stupid question.  What is the best thing to use to connect the BNC connectors to the board?  Would plain wire work or is there something better? I even have a broken Chinese scope probe that I can salvage the wire from.  I just used short pieces of wire with the octopus and that works fine.

If the RCA jack is the best way to go, does this look correct?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-PCB-Mount-2-RCA-Female-Stereo-Aux-Audio-Video-Jack-AV-Socket-Connector-/400979088030?hash=item5d5c37529e:g:ViMAAOSwd0BV0OpG
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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2016, 02:51:51 am »
I am going to ask a stupid question here.  I just got one of the curve tracer kits that Fraser and wirehead got.  My kit didn't include the PCB mounted RCA jacks and the RCA to BNC adapters.  I just got a couple of bulkhead mount BNC jacks.  My plan is to put this in an enclosure with my octopus circuit tester. 

Here is the stupid question.  What is the best thing to use to connect the BNC connectors to the board?  Would plain wire work or is there something better? I even have a broken Chinese scope probe that I can salvage the wire from.  I just used short pieces of wire with the octopus and that works fine.

If the RCA jack is the best way to go, does this look correct?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-PCB-Mount-2-RCA-Female-Stereo-Aux-Audio-Video-Jack-AV-Socket-Connector-/400979088030?hash=item5d5c37529e:g:ViMAAOSwd0BV0OpG

Mine came the same way. I ended up just soldering the little hollow pins that came with it in each of the spots for the probe connections, then just clip my probes on to them. Seems to work ok, but was really confused with how the hell the BNC's were supposed to mount. I had managed to find a few of the pics of a fully assembled kit with the RCA connectors but didn't have anything like that until a couple of days ago when I found a similar double RCA jack on an old donated piece of stereo equipment. Haven't had a chance to mount it yet though.
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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2016, 11:21:41 am »
I am going to ask a stupid question here.  I just got one of the curve tracer kits that Fraser and wirehead got.  My kit didn't include the PCB mounted RCA jacks and the RCA to BNC adapters.  I just got a couple of bulkhead mount BNC jacks.  My plan is to put this in an enclosure with my octopus circuit tester. 

Here is the stupid question.  What is the best thing to use to connect the BNC connectors to the board?  Would plain wire work or is there something better? I even have a broken Chinese scope probe that I can salvage the wire from.  I just used short pieces of wire with the octopus and that works fine.

If the RCA jack is the best way to go, does this look correct?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-PCB-Mount-2-RCA-Female-Stereo-Aux-Audio-Video-Jack-AV-Socket-Connector-/400979088030?hash=item5d5c37529e:g:ViMAAOSwd0BV0OpG

Mine came the same way. I ended up just soldering the little hollow pins that came with it in each of the spots for the probe connections, then just clip my probes on to them. Seems to work ok, but was really confused with how the hell the BNC's were supposed to mount. I had managed to find a few of the pics of a fully assembled kit with the RCA connectors but didn't have anything like that until a couple of days ago when I found a similar double RCA jack on an old donated piece of stereo equipment. Haven't had a chance to mount it yet though.

That's funny, I was the same way with the connectors.  I put them in the big holes and looked.  OK, this isn't going to solder and they are touching.  Also, where do the shields connect?  That's when I remembered that there was thread and saw the RCA connectors.  Using the pins was a good idea, but as I stated, I am going to put this in a project box so I will be using bulkhead BNCs.
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Re: Transistor Curve Tracer kit on ebay
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2016, 01:27:05 pm »
I am going to ask a stupid question here.  I just got one of the curve tracer kits that Fraser and wirehead got.  My kit didn't include the PCB mounted RCA jacks and the RCA to BNC adapters.  I just got a couple of bulkhead mount BNC jacks.  My plan is to put this in an enclosure with my octopus circuit tester. 

Here is the stupid question.  What is the best thing to use to connect the BNC connectors to the board?  Would plain wire work or is there something better? I even have a broken Chinese scope probe that I can salvage the wire from.  I just used short pieces of wire with the octopus and that works fine.

If the RCA jack is the best way to go, does this look correct?  http://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-PCB-Mount-2-RCA-Female-Stereo-Aux-Audio-Video-Jack-AV-Socket-Connector-/400979088030?hash=item5d5c37529e:g:ViMAAOSwd0BV0OpG

Use the BNC connectors. Much better than RCA. Use twisted wires and keep these as short as possible. Connect to the scope via short Coaxial BNC <> BNC cable.

I've got mine in a repurposed enclosure as seen above. Due to the added wire length to the device-under-test (because of the switch), I've added a 1nF capacitor between the emitter and the collector. It gives sharper traces with less noise, whilst not interfering with the measurement.  :-+
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