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Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« on: January 19, 2018, 04:55:40 pm »
Hi,
The measurement of low-impedance capacitors has always been of great interest in the environment of electronics lovers. Let's see how four meters measure low-impedance capacitors.
Rubycon ZLH Low Impedance 1000uF/35v.Max. impedance(100kHz)-0,017Ohm.
http://www.rubycon.co.jp/EN/CATALOG/E_PDFS/ALUMINUM/E_ZLH.PDF
Russian tweezers HB-14.
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2018, 05:07:47 pm »
Are you asking which meters of yours is the most accurate one ?

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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2018, 06:13:05 pm »
Are you asking which meters of yours is the most accurate one ?
No, I just restore justice. ;)
 

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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2018, 09:00:48 pm »
Russian tweezers HB-14  :-//

Google can't find a source.

Link please.
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 09:14:13 pm »
Russian tweezers HB-14  :-//

Google can't find a source.

Link please.
http://www.rlc-esr.ru/
http://rlc-esr.ru/index.php/pintset-nv14 (Russian-only)
I have an older model. Nice thing, really.
 
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2018, 09:27:59 pm »
Russian tweezers HB-14  :-//

Google can't find a source.

Link please.
http://www.rlc-esr.ru/
http://rlc-esr.ru/index.php/pintset-nv14 (Russian-only)
I have an older model. Nice thing, really.
http://rlc-esr.ru/index.php/kupit
For ~$122 these are very well priced WRT the Canadian smart tweezers ST5.
Need to compare specs .......
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 09:36:21 pm »
There is at least half a dozen on the market, if you stuff a $20 Atmel LCR clone into a small enough package you can own you very own brand as well.

http://www.smarttweezers.org/
http://www.lcrresearch.com/pro1/
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 11:56:47 am »
Capacitor Rubycon MBZ Ultra Low ESR for PC mother board  3300uF/6,3v.Max.ESR-0,012Ohm.
http://www.tetrix.com/products/32470/MBZ.pdf
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2018, 01:22:36 am »
Let's see how it measures the capacitors in the circuit. I have already cited this example. The two capacitors are 2200uF 50V in parallel.
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2018, 03:30:49 pm »
First conclusions.
Incorrect measurement of the capacitance of capacitors. By lowering the readings when measuring in the circuit, creates a false impression of loss of capacitance.
Incorrectly measures the ESR of low-impedance capacitors.
Raising ESR readings several times, creates a false impression of the suitability of the capacitor, hinders the correct evaluation of the ESR of new and used capacitors.
 

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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2018, 05:21:01 pm »
http://www.lcrresearch.com/pro1/
I remember once suggested to the LCR Research,to measure the ESR of a polystyrene capacitor K71-7 0.5uF/250v.A even better 2 in parallel.
HB-14
K71-7 1uF/250v 1%.
ESR-0,000 Ohm.
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2018, 06:37:06 pm »
Soldering/Rework: Pace ADS200, Pace MBT350
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2018, 07:49:43 pm »
For the sake of interest, I measured with my tweezers 200kHz. I got about 0.003 Ohm.
 

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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 03:52:56 am »
For the sake of interest, I measured with my tweezers 200kHz. I got about 0.003 Ohm.

Yep, very interesting, cause the meter shows current at 49 uA, while you're speaking resistance.  :palm:

I guess you're confused between Ampere and Ohm.

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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 03:10:18 pm »
Yep, very interesting, cause the meter shows current at 49 uA, while you're speaking resistance.  :palm:
I can very clearly see that you have never made an analog ESR meter.
 :)
There the scale near zero is strongly compresed.The first mark  of the  scale  is 0,005Ohm.
This is the payment for the most complex measurements.
Look deeper.
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2018, 12:49:03 pm »
Tables ESR, stored in the memory of Tweezers HB-14.
For standard aluminum capacitors and LOW ESR.
The ESR is measured at a frequency of 100 kHz.
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Re: Tweezers for low-impedance capacitors.
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2018, 10:15:15 am »
Let's see how the actual ESR tables works. The standard aluminum capacitors.
Bad capacitor.1000uF 35v.
-5.
Shows how still normal.
Bad capacitor.2700uF 6,3v.LOW ESR.
Abnormally LOW ESR.
-22.
Shows how still normal.
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