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Title: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: ErikTheNorwegian on March 19, 2013, 07:42:25 AM
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Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on March 19, 2013, 08:51:52 AM
Yup, was discussed here some time ago. Several times I guess.
It's a decent LA which just lacks advanced triggering options. Best thing about it is that is can be patched to a 16128 by updating some values in the EEPROM (or by patching a Dll).
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: andersm on March 19, 2013, 09:54:12 AM
Best thing about it is that is can be patched to a 16128 by updating some values in the EEPROM (or by patching a Dll).
Not all of them can, it depends on what manufacturing batch unit you happen to get. It's been a while since I opened mine, but IIRC it only had enough sample memory to become a 16064.

There's also the hack to add 16 more channels, which I have to try some day.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on March 19, 2013, 10:23:46 AM
The hack with the additional channels worked in 2011 or so. Nobody got it to work after that AFAIK. Patching to 16128 still worked for people in early 2013 (got a positive report in my message box from late January 2013). There's no guarantee of course that the 4.5MBit SRAM is placed even in brand new units. Worth a try though.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: winluk on March 20, 2013, 09:01:48 AM
Hi All,

Yes, I can confirm that the mod worked on my analyser received at the end of January 2013.
I've done it using Windows 7 running on a Virtual Machine - no problems at all...

I took few photos of the guts. Enjoy... :)
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on March 24, 2013, 04:05:08 AM
The files are from late 2011, but they worked for winluk two months ago, so they should work for you:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/v6pwdt (http://www.sendspace.com/file/v6pwdt)

Read the "patch.txt" included and be aware that you need to register the patched (!) device (i.e. the C16128) at the ZeroPlus homepage, else the protocols won't work with the patched device.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: efel on June 13, 2013, 01:36:05 AM
Greetings,

I will try to do that but I have some issues about the selection of the 72Mbit memory.
I received my 16032 from microcontrollershop (US$110.00) with the chip version 0924 and 250ACX 4.5Mbit memory (CY7C1347G-250AXC). I can't find any TQFP-100 250MHz 72Mbit in the cypress website, the "most" suitable memory i found is a 200MHz (CY7C1480V33-200AXC or CY7C1480BV33-200AXC)

Does anyone try to mod the 16032 to the 322000?
Which memory part was used?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: lux on June 16, 2013, 06:23:48 AM
Hi efel,

I did the mod last year (16032->322000) and i have used the CY7C1480V33-200AXC without problems. On my logic analyzer the manufacturer had cut off four pins of the asic, so i had to re-solder them (picture).
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: electric_daddy on August 02, 2013, 09:25:23 PM
Hello,
I tryed this mod today but it looks like i'm having trouble. I had a zeroplus 16032 (16chn, 32k) and i tryed to change the SRAM from a 4.5MBIT - 128k x36 (CY7C1347G-250AXC) to a 18MBIT - 512k x36 (CY7C1380D-250AXC)
I unsoldering the SRAM and soldering the new one and everything went without any trouble, then i patched the epprom, again everything went good, then when i load the software it detects the new device LAP16128 correctly.

The problem now is when i try to aquire data each time it does this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/Zakwarrior/zeroplus_chn_error_zps8aefe004.jpg)

When i unpatched the epprom and load the backup, it then detects LAP16032 but still same thing it wont aquire data correctly :(

When you change the SRAM do you have to do something special ? I want to turn my LAP16032 to a LAP16128
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: lux on August 03, 2013, 06:05:39 AM
Hi,
i have not done anything special after the sram change.
But the main question is: why have you changed the sram from 4.5 Mbit to 18Mbit?
For the LAP-C(162000) you need 72Mbit and for the LAP-C(16128) 4.5Mbit.
You can make the LAP16032 to a LAP16128 without sram change(only a eeprom mod is needed).
http://openschemes.com/2010/03/27/zeroplus-logic-cube-the-modification/ (http://openschemes.com/2010/03/27/zeroplus-logic-cube-the-modification/)
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: olsenn on August 04, 2013, 12:36:37 PM
How does this compare to the Saleae Logic16?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Stonent on August 04, 2013, 12:45:51 PM
If you're really wanting cheap you could go for one of those $10 Saleae logic clones from China.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: electric_daddy on August 09, 2013, 03:15:26 AM
Hi,
i have not done anything special after the sram change.
But the main question is: why have you changed the sram from 4.5 Mbit to 18Mbit?
For the LAP-C(162000) you need 72Mbit and for the LAP-C(16128) 4.5Mbit.
You can make the LAP16032 to a LAP16128 without sram change(only a eeprom mod is needed).
http://openschemes.com/2010/03/27/zeroplus-logic-cube-the-modification/ (http://openschemes.com/2010/03/27/zeroplus-logic-cube-the-modification/)
I didn't know that... I though you needed 4x the size of the sram in the LAP 16032 to convert it to LAP 16128, that's why i changed it to 18MBIT (4x 4.5MBIT). I thought you could just update the sram and then you can aquire more data per chn.
Now i understand how it works... Is it possible to fully use the 18MBIT SRAM i soldered to aquire more data then 128K per chn ?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: nctnico on August 09, 2013, 04:19:54 AM
Could it be some of the address lines are floating causing the sram to spit out random data?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: electric_daddy on August 09, 2013, 04:33:14 AM
Like i said above it works fine now, but it's limited to 128k per chn even tho there is a bigger SRAM onboard

LAP 16032 has 4.5MBIT SRAM and can aquire up to 128k per chn, now my LAP 16032 has 18MBIT SRAM but still i can't aquire more then 128k per chn even if i convert it to LAP 32100 or 32200
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: lux on August 09, 2013, 07:14:56 AM
I think it is possible to use the 18Mbit with a 162000/322000 (you get than 512k per channel).
But you have to re-solder two of the address lines of the asic (the four higher address lines are cut off, as I wrote in reply #9).

4,5Mbit =  36 data lines and 17 address lines
18MBit =  36 data lines and 19 address lines
72Mbit = 36 data lines and 21 address lines
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: electric_daddy on August 10, 2013, 01:45:22 AM
Can I solder all 4 like you did ?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: jusanother on September 02, 2013, 10:16:59 AM
I'm considering pulling the pin on one of the 16032's then upgrading the SRAM to give me a 162000. Can you guys answer a few questions just to clear my suspicions:

. About the free protocol decoders, the general order of events must be, I change the SRAM, solder the four missing connections from the ASIC, patch the EEPROM, then last of all register for my free decoders, yes ?

. Isn't the Zeroplus website clued up to the fact your serial number and model number no longer match ?

. Has anyone performed this mod and then installed the "Protocol Analyzer Trigger plugin"

. Are the protocols just a serial number you enter into the software, or are they a downloaded dll as well ?

. Has anyone done a keygen for the protocols ?

Thanks.
Cam
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on September 03, 2013, 09:22:37 AM
. About the free protocol decoders, the general order of events must be, I change the SRAM, solder the four missing connections from the ASIC, patch the EEPROM, then last of all register for my free decoders, yes ?
The activation is bound to serial number and device ID. So you need to register the decoders for the patched device, not the original one.

Isn't the Zeroplus website clued up to the fact your serial number and model number no longer match ?
At least when I tried (like two years ago), they didn't care, although it's indeed quite obvious that the ID and the serial don't really match.

Has anyone performed this mod and then installed the "Protocol Analyzer Trigger plugin"
I don't think this is part of the selectable free decoders. Also I understand it's not really a hardware trigger but more a software implementation (i.e. the analyzers captures, the SW decodes until it finds the trigger and then stops and displays the result).

. Are the protocols just a serial number you enter into the software, or are they a downloaded dll as well ?
Some decoders come with the software, but most of them have to be downloaded from the (painfully slow) website.
The whole protocol download/upgrade/installation issue is a real mess. Including some very large Chinese help files in CHM format.

Has anyone done a keygen for the protocols ?
With 30 free decoders plus the one included (note that patching to e.g. C32128 brings some extra free protocols), I dind't really find the need for a keygen.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: jusanother on September 04, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
Thanks for the reply, all points noted. The reason for wondering about the keygen was to protect against the website activation getting wise to the hacks.

My primary reason for fancying this LA was the protocol trigger option, now I see that is might not be what I first thought it to be. Although why I ever thought they would be doing hardware decoding of 30+ protocols is beyond me, blind hope I guess. I read your other comments on the matter in the "PC USB Logic Analyzer - Who Has The Best Software" thread, you didn't sound overly impressed with the feature.

Have you or anyone used the protocol trigger feature ?

Cam.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on September 05, 2013, 03:40:01 AM
To allow triggering on specific protocol patterns, the decoder doesn't have to be necessarily implemented in hardware. It would be enough  for the software to calculate a (complex) trigger pattern (merely based on edges and may times) from the protocol trigger. But then the logic analyzer needs support for complex trigger patterns with plenty of trigger levels and so on.
As the Zeroplus features only the simplest of trigger possibilities, I don't see any possibility to actually perform a HW trigger on decoder patterns. If the pattern happens all the time, a SW trigger will work just as well  though. If you need to be sure that you catch a single pattern for sure, you're screwed of course without HW trigger.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: jusanother on September 06, 2013, 07:42:19 AM
Once again, never thought of boiling the protocol down to a complex trigger pattern, you are the knowledge !

I started off fancying something (aimed at the hobby market) with a protocol trigger, now it's seeming more like a quest, time to sleep on it for a bit I think.

Thanks for the help.
Cam.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Carpenter on October 07, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
I LAP-C (16032) inside the ACIS ZP322MC-5, is a chance to extend this version to 32 channels?
Has anyone measured the desoldering ZP322MC-5, whether the ports C and D actually internally shorted?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: eemkutay on October 29, 2013, 01:08:30 PM
Hi everyone,

I have a lapc16032

Thanks
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Kryoclasm on October 29, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Hi everyone,

I have a lapc16032 with asic 0924 , I solder four cutting pins of asic 0924 and I changed eeprom data as 16128, it is working as 16128 but not working 30 free protocols, just working 22 default free protocols and
written in following link, "There is a serial number generator for the protocols"
http://hackaday.com/2010/03/30/zeroplus-logic-cube-modification/comment-page-3/#comments (http://hackaday.com/2010/03/30/zeroplus-logic-cube-modification/comment-page-3/#comments) 

do you know it and do you have serial number generator for the protocols?
Thanks


I have a  16128 and it is a very good value for the price.

Now, I can understand reworking the hardware to make the 16032 like a 16128, but asking for keygen software so as to defeat the zeroplus' intent here is crossing the line in my book.  :--


I'm sure there are other web sites places that exist for that stuff.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: c4757p on October 29, 2013, 02:12:44 PM
do you know it and do you have serial number generator for the protocols?

PM me a lockpick for the local bank's vault and I'll PM you a serial number generator.

>:( Don't steal. They put in hard work to make that stuff for you. If they don't want you to have it for free when you've modified your board, then hmm... I guess you'll have to pay up.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: eemkutay on October 29, 2013, 09:18:56 PM
@Kryoclasm and @c4757p

yes, you're right.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: tancioste on November 16, 2013, 01:29:06 AM
HI all, I’m going to buy the LAPC-16032 and I would like to upgrade it to 162000, I need more ram but I do not need 32 channels.
Can someone explain the procedure? What RAM IC should I buy?
Do I need to patch the EEPROM or I can “simply” modify the DLL? if so, how Am I supposed to do that? What about the clock speed? 16032 is 100MHz device, 16128 or 16200 is 200Mhz device..Does the EEPROM hack increase the clock speed too?
Thanks Stefano
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on November 16, 2013, 06:04:36 AM
I'm not so sure if anybody ever upgraded from a C16032 to anything above a C32128 but even this was some years ago. When I bought my C16032 in 2011 or so, it could be hacked to a C16128 without any HW modification, but even back then, the upgrade to 32 channels didn't seem to work anymore (different ASIC as far as I recall). Later versions came with smaller SRAM and cut pins, so you needed to replace the SRAM and reconnect the cut pins even to upgrade from C16032 to C16128.
My (patched) C16032 works perfectly fine with sample rates up to 200MHz though. The patching however only affected the available RAM (128K instead of 32K).
128K should be sufficient for most purposes btw. Honestly, most of the times I use my Open Logic Sniffer which has only 24K samples in 8bit mode, but usually I use 16 channels with only 12K samples - not because I need the channels, but because this usually improves the RLE quite a bit.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: mr.os on November 16, 2013, 06:23:45 AM
I bought a C16032 some weeks ago. I have the new ASIC. The unit was upgradable to a C16128 only with modifing the eeprom content (with zeroprog or zerominus). It works beautiful.
With adding an additonal input buffer and some passives it was possible to convert it to a C32128. You only must cut the traces at the bottom of the PCB which shorts the ASIC inputs.
When you want to have an C322000 (or 162000, but you only need components for some dollars for the conversion to 32 channel, so i doesn't matter), you must replace the SRAM (Digikey part 428-3253-ND, really expensive! nearly 150€ for me, more than the analyzer itself) and solder the 4 cutted pins from the ASIC down to the board. I used a file to do the same like 'lux' in this thread. But it is not to easy to replace SRAM because of the lead-less solder.

So I have a fully working C322000. It is only important to register the analyzer at zerominus after the modifiction. Elsewhere you are not able to use the protocol plugins. So you have also the additional free plugins for the C322000.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: tancioste on November 18, 2013, 09:40:38 PM
Hi,
thank you very much for your quick answers.
I think I'm going to buy the LAP-C 16032 and try the EEPROM upgrade only. I Really do not need more than 16 channel, however I can use a little bit of extra memory :)
Now I'm going to ask a "stupid" question, so please forgive me :)
If I understand correctly, the LAP-C 16032 (or 16128) is capable of sampling signals on a bus and stores the captured samples in the buffer (the storage space should be the channel depth... is it right?). What I do not understand is how many samples can be stored.
I think it is depends from the bus data (it should store only state changes in the bus signal and not all samples...is it right?).
I 'm going to work with SPI (12MHz bus speed)and I2C, how many seconds of data can be captured? (this is the stupid question :) )
The logic sniffer is quite interesting, and I like it because I can use it on Linux too, however I'm afraid it has not enough RAM. I saw on you tube you can store 2sec max of data.
Why do you prefer the Logic Sniffer to the LAPC?
Thanks
Stefano
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on November 18, 2013, 10:45:38 PM
128k means 128000 samples (usually an 8bit analyzer stores one byte at once, for 16bit it's one word and so on). Without compression this would mean that e.g. at 10MHz you can store for 128000/10000000 = 0.0128 seconds (or 12.8ms). To store a 12MHz SPI (which seems rather high btw.), you should use at least 25MHz, better 50 or 100MHz. So with 100MHz this time is reduced to 1.27ms.
Then again, with compression, the time that can be stored depends on the signals and the compression strategy. Usually the strategy is a rather simple run length encoding, so if all signals (e.g. all 8 or 16 channels) stay the same during N successive sample cycles, they can be stored as number N plus sample instead of N samples. So with sporadic signals, the recording time can be much higher.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: tancioste on November 18, 2013, 11:43:16 PM
Thank you 0xdeadbeef, it is clear now.
LAP-C seems to be a good toy to play with... and the software looks fine to me.
Why do you still use the Logic Sniffer? What are the pros?
Thanks
Stefano


 
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on November 19, 2013, 04:05:32 AM
The OLS has much better trigger possibilities, although I must admit I almost never need them (LPC can only trigger on simple edges/patterns).
However, the real reason why I use it more is mainly that it doesn't need a SW installation and it's very small, so it's convenient to always have it in my bag.
So I use it even at work where I could also use a ~10k€ Agilent Logic Analyzer (noisy, no decoder plugins).
For the LPC you's need to install a big SW package plus dozens of single protocols where each protocol dumps a large Chinese pdf in the installation folder.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Mark_O on November 19, 2013, 06:29:19 AM
Then again, with compression, the time that can be stored depends on the signals and the compression strategy. Usually the strategy is a rather simple run length encoding, so if all signals (e.g. all 8 or 16 channels) stay the same during N successive sample cycles, they can be stored as number N plus sample instead of N samples. So with sporadic signals, the recording time can be much higher.

For the LAP-C's, ZeroPlus indicates that runs of up to 256 dup samples can be compressed.  Thus a 1-byte count for each sample slice.  This would come in very handy when capturing comms traces, because the relatively "dead time" between packets would be factored out, leaving just the meaty data burning up sample slots.

What I don't quite understand is that the memory on these internally is 36-bits wide.  That suggests only 4-bits would be available for repeat counts when running 32-bit wide sampling, but 20-bits for counts with just 16-bit samples.  However, nothing to that effect is mentioned by ZeroPlus.

Ah, they do give this stipulation... "Data Compression : Max 128K bits x 256, Available 24CH".  Thus when capturing the full 32-channel width, the compression is much more limited (or unavailable completely?).
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: bingo600 on November 19, 2013, 08:53:08 AM
The OLS has much better trigger possibilities, although I must admit I almost never need them (LPC can only trigger on simple edges/patterns).
However, the real reason why I use it more is mainly that it doesn't need a SW installation and it's very small, so it's convenient to always have it in my bag.
So I use it even at work where I could also use a ~10k€ Agilent Logic Analyzer (noisy, no decoder plugins).
For the LPC you's need to install a big SW package plus dozens of single protocols where each protocol dumps a large Chinese pdf in the installation folder.

Did you see the 64MB OLS ?
http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5907 (http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5907)

That's cute ..

/Bingo
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: tancioste on November 19, 2013, 09:52:19 AM
Well, OLS with 64MB of memory is really interesting, There is also a "custom" version of the software capable of high speed data transfer between OLS and PC...
LPC has a trigger plugin, maybe it can be usefull:
http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/logic-analyzer_en/products.php?pdn=1&product_id=385 (http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/logic-analyzer_en/products.php?pdn=1&product_id=385)

Stefano
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on November 19, 2013, 11:07:05 AM
Did you see the 64MB OLS ?
http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5907 (http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=5907)
Sure, but the FPGA board seems impossible to get here in Europe and buying in the US is pretty expensive (+customs etc.).
Also I guess you would need some input circuitry (maybe one could use the extension wing for the original OLS).

@Stefano
The LPC "trigger" plugin is a software solution, not really am extended HW trigger. Was discussed here before.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: braddie on March 23, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
I can confirm that the mod still works with a late 2013 unit. I was able to upgrade my 16032 to a 32128 with the hardware (openschemes) and firmware mods. Thank you to those who've shared the information and their experiences which gave me the confidence to try it :)
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: ljwinkler on March 23, 2014, 07:01:23 PM
It is good to hear that they haven't fixed it yet :)

Cheers,
LJ
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: gmb42 on March 24, 2014, 05:17:20 AM
Does anyone know of a workaround to get the drivers working on Win 8.1 (64 bit)?

At the moment I have to keep my old netbook around (running XP) to run the Zeroplus.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: ljwinkler on March 24, 2014, 07:32:29 AM
I didn't use mine in last couple of months but I've just connected it to my updates Win8.1 and I can confirm I have the same issue as you.
Windows can see the device but claims that "The drivers for this device are not installed" :/

I will let you know if I find anything useful.

I just downloaded and installed the latest software from their website (V3.12.03 from 2014-03-17) - no change :(
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: braddie on March 25, 2014, 12:38:55 PM
Does anyone know of a workaround to get the drivers working on Win 8.1 (64 bit)?

At the moment I have to keep my old netbook around (running XP) to run the Zeroplus.

It can be tricky to get it working on Windows 7 sometimes so I'm not surprised it doesn't work with Windows 8. You can use a virtual machine that has USB support with an older version of Windows (possibly MS Virtual PC/Windows XP Mode). When I first got mine I had it working with VirtualBox and (a lightweight) Win XP.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: gmb42 on March 25, 2014, 10:33:37 PM
Tried with Virtual Box (running XP) with the VB Extension pack installed, no go.  The ZeroPlus doesn't show up in Device Manager in the XP guest.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: c4757p on March 25, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
You know you have to specifically tell VBox to connect the device to the guest OS, right? Works fine for me... :-//
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: gmb42 on March 25, 2014, 11:55:58 PM
As in the image attached.

What host OS are you using? Does the ZeroPlus show up in Device Manager on your host and guest?

The Zeroplus doesn't show up using `vboxmanage list usbhost` on the host either, nor is it listed in the VB guest menu item, Devices | USB Devices


Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: ljwinkler on March 26, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
I just found a win8 drivers: http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip (http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip)

The file is on their website however, you cant find it through the product page  :palm:

I will try installing it when I get home.
Hope it helps!
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: ljwinkler on March 26, 2014, 05:00:16 AM
Boom, sorted :)

Here are the steps:
1. Download http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip (http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip)
2. Extract the zip file
3. Navigate to the "Driver Setup" folder and extract the "Data1.cab" file (or double click on it to see its contents)
4. Copy the following files to: "C:\Program Files (x86)\PC-Based Instrument\ZEROPLUS\DRIVER\"
 - Bulkusb.inf8 and rename it as bulkusb.inf
 - Bulkusb.sys7 and rename it as bulkusb.sys
 - Bulkusb64.cat3 and rename it as bulkusb64.cat
5. Go to the Device Manager, right click on the LAP-C Analyser device, select "Update Driver Software"
6. Click on "Browse my computer for driver software" and select the folder from point 4 above
7. Enjoy! :)

Cheers,
LJ
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: gmb42 on March 26, 2014, 05:30:28 AM
Boom, sorted :)

Here are the steps:
1. Download http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip (http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip)
2. Extract the zip file
3. Navigate to the "Driver Setup" folder and extract the "Data1.cab" file (or double click on it to see its contents)
4. Copy the following files to: "C:\Program Files (x86)\PC-Based Instrument\ZEROPLUS\DRIVER\"
 - Bulkusb.inf8 and rename it as bulkusb.inf
 - Bulkusb.sys7 and rename it as bulkusb.sys
 - Bulkusb64.cat3 and rename it as bulkusb64.cat
5. Go to the Device Manager, right click on the LAP-C Analyser device, select "Update Driver Software"
6. Click on "Browse my computer for driver software" and select the folder from point 4 above
7. Enjoy! :)

Cheers,
LJ

Thanks for that.

I used the files from my previous download (lac_s31202_all.zip which may be newer than yours) renamed them as above and the ZP is now working.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: ljwinkler on March 26, 2014, 05:31:42 AM
I'm glad I could help :)
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Anks on July 09, 2015, 04:40:12 AM
HI could some do me a big favor and upload the latest software somewhere as I'm have a nightmare trying to download it.

It should be lac_s31202_all.zip

Thanks
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Mr Simpleton on July 09, 2015, 04:59:51 AM
Just checking... seems there is a s31203_all version as well... dated 17/3 2014 and the 202 version 17/2 2014
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Anks on July 09, 2015, 05:16:45 AM
Just checking... seems there is a s31203_all version as well... dated 17/3 2014 and the 202 version 17/2 2014

Sorry that's the one I meant to say. To be honest any version will do as I'm going to use it with pulse view anyway so only really need the driver.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: Mark on July 09, 2015, 06:45:10 PM
Here it is:
90.4MB

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fvgoolbfq432828/lac_s31203_all.zip?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fvgoolbfq432828/lac_s31203_all.zip?dl=0)
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: pelule on July 19, 2015, 11:54:37 PM
I got my Zeroplus LAP-C16032 in October 2014.
I sucessfully upgraded it to a 32128 (sw yet only) without any problem last month.
Before I did a backup of the EEPROM and found the "zeroprog" does not (yet) support EEPROM restore, thus I added that feature.
I also "repaired" the cutted pins of the ASIC. The mounting of the missing parts (latch, Rs, Cs) is postponed until there is some more free time,  I do not need the 32 channels yet.

I also registered on the web-site to get the keys for the free protocols. Registration was accepted, but I never received the keys by mail (it may, because my tool is older than 90 days.

Is there another method to register (get the keys) I am not aware of?

If not, I need to know the format of the registration keys.
Thus may anyone send me (by PM if do not want to open) a valid register-key for the protocol analyzer and for 1 or 2 of plug-ins.
I know, it want work with different models and/or different serial numbers.
I just need a samples for the format.

Just a tip which may be of interest for others:
My PC in my lab has no internet-connection (security) and LAP-C claims that at every start by seaching for updates.
I deactivated that feature (which cant be disabled in the SW).
Simply rename the "update.exe" file in the LAP-C sw directory. I named it "x_update.exe".

Any help out there?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: 0xdeadbeef on July 20, 2015, 03:08:23 AM
The keys have the format AAAAAAAA-BBBBBBBB-CCCCCCCC-DDDDDDDD where each part is an 8 character hex number presentation of a 32bit number.
The keys are stored in the registry key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\VirtualStore\MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\ZEROPLUS-PLUGIN".
Can't tell more since I moved to ScanaPlus long ago and I had not even registered more than a few of my 30 protocols. Then again, in later versions of the tool, most basic decoders where free anyway.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: pelule on July 21, 2015, 03:08:45 AM
0xdeadbeef, many thanks for the info. Now I can start to dig into.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: klaus11 on July 24, 2015, 01:54:16 AM
CY7C1480V33-200AXC not find in stock, any suggestions where to buy. O cross reference
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: pascal_sweden on August 03, 2015, 12:05:58 AM
Where can I buy a brand new LAP-C 16032 for the best possible price?

Is it still possible to convert the latest LAP-C 16032 model into a LAP-C 322000?

How much would it cost in parts to do the upgrade? How much does the LAP-C 322000 typically cost?
This way I can get an idea on how much I would save.

Is there a nice PDF file out somewhere with good pictures and detailed description for each step in the update procedure?

Do some people on this forum provide the upgrade as a service? How much do you charge? :)

Or are there Chinese clones available for the LAP-C 322000 which are 100% compatible, both hardware wise and software wise?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: klaus11 on August 03, 2015, 02:46:38 AM
The first problem is to update now comes with 4 cut into chip zp322 pins. And that is too much trouble.

The first problem is to update now comes with 4 cut into chip zp322 pins. And that is too much trouble. Otherwise all the same.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: pascal_sweden on August 07, 2015, 11:30:56 AM
Maybe a job for the guys at Dangerous Prototypes.
They fear no soldering, and PCB board rework. They like challenges. All for educational purposes :)
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: klaus11 on August 09, 2015, 04:04:14 AM
Anyone know if this new software released  " smart + "
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: pascal_sweden on August 21, 2015, 08:28:17 PM
Does this new software Smart+ come with all models, including the low-end LAP-C models?

What are the specific improvements compared to the original software?

Does Zeroplus LAP-C support hardware triggers? How many?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: klaus11 on August 22, 2015, 11:14:24 PM
Boom, sorted :)

Here are the steps:
1. Download http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip (http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip)
2. Extract the zip file
3. Navigate to the "Driver Setup" folder and extract the "Data1.cab" file (or double click on it to see its contents)
4. Copy the following files to: "C:\Program Files (x86)\PC-Based Instrument\ZEROPLUS\DRIVER\"
 - Bulkusb.inf8 and rename it as bulkusb.inf
 - Bulkusb.sys7 and rename it as bulkusb.sys
 - Bulkusb64.cat3 and rename it as bulkusb64.cat
5. Go to the Device Manager, right click on the LAP-C Analyser device, select "Update Driver Software"
6. Click on "Browse my computer for driver software" and select the folder from point 4 above
7. Enjoy! :)

Cheers,
LJ

See for yourself, wonderful in 64-bit Windows 10 pro
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: knotlogic on August 30, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
The first problem is to update now comes with 4 cut into chip zp322 pins. And that is too much trouble.

The first problem is to update now comes with 4 cut into chip zp322 pins. And that is too much trouble. Otherwise all the same.

Maybe a job for the guys at Dangerous Prototypes.
They fear no soldering, and PCB board rework. They like challenges. All for educational purposes :)


Or you could do what this guy did:

http://hackaday.com/2015/08/29/co2-laser-decapping-to-fix-soldering-mistake/ (http://hackaday.com/2015/08/29/co2-laser-decapping-to-fix-soldering-mistake/)

Now, how toxic would the fumes from that be?
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: klaus11 on August 31, 2015, 03:05:30 AM
Oh, if it's a great system but unfortunately I have in my toolbox CO2 laser. Thank you for the link.  :-+
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: JVR on December 02, 2015, 06:01:53 AM
Boom, sorted :)

Here are the steps:
1. Download http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip (http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/software_download/lac_s31200_all(win8).zip)
2. Extract the zip file
3. Navigate to the "Driver Setup" folder and extract the "Data1.cab" file (or double click on it to see its contents)
4. Copy the following files to: "C:\Program Files (x86)\PC-Based Instrument\ZEROPLUS\DRIVER\"
 - Bulkusb.inf8 and rename it as bulkusb.inf
 - Bulkusb.sys7 and rename it as bulkusb.sys
 - Bulkusb64.cat3 and rename it as bulkusb64.cat
5. Go to the Device Manager, right click on the LAP-C Analyser device, select "Update Driver Software"
6. Click on "Browse my computer for driver software" and select the folder from point 4 above
7. Enjoy! :)

Cheers,
LJ

See for yourself, wonderful in 64-bit Windows 10 pro

Just to add to this, for Win 10 x64 Pro, I installed the application in the downloaded folder, and then the driver just from the renamed files. Tried to just re-install the driver but it failed, so had to uninstall everything to get it working.
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: LukO on December 13, 2015, 06:41:48 PM
Thanks for the tip.
It works also under Windows 10 Home, but I needed to start the software (the latest version - LAP-C_Standard_V3.12.03) in Windows 7 compatibility mode. 

BTW: Workaround from Zeroplus website  ;D http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/logic-analyzer_en/qanda/Zeroplus-LogicAnalyzer-Window-8-8.1-install-problem-solution_en.pdf (http://www.zeroplus.com.tw/logic-analyzer_en/qanda/Zeroplus-LogicAnalyzer-Window-8-8.1-install-problem-solution_en.pdf)





 
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: telengard on May 03, 2017, 04:29:24 AM
Any chance this could be reposted?  I just picked one of these up and I'd like to take a hand at patching the EEPROM or the dll.

thanks!
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: dav on May 03, 2017, 09:46:56 PM
PM sent
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: StevenBoeckx on November 04, 2017, 05:27:24 AM
I read a lot of questions about the the software: how to get a full software package with advanced protocol triggering, most of the protocols ... . First of all, if you can pay the software just do it. It takes allot of afford to make such a product and zeroplus did a really good job, you pay for a really good product. But if you are a student (like I am) and just don't have the money, there is an easy solution for this. Zeroplus sold a time a go a "special" edition off their usb logic analysers, the plus edition. This plus edition has the same hardware as the normal/standard analysers, only it comes with all the software. Or better said it enables all the futures of the software.

This analyser doesn't use the standard edition software but uses the smart+ version. This version has a newer interface look and supports not only the plus edition but also the normal one (standard). So if you want a newer ( personally think easier and nicer ) interface. You can download the smart+ edition from their website. Just google "zeroplus download" and you will find the download page (leave the 'series' selection on 'all').

You can change the LAP-C 16032 to a LAP-C 16128+ just by using the zeroprog tool already mentioned in previous discussions and change the PID to 0x7025
Title: Re: Zeroplus LAP-C 16032 Logic Analyzer Logic Cube
Post by: TK on November 04, 2017, 06:35:34 AM
If you just need all the protocols enabled (over 100), there is no need to do any hacking... Zeroplus released all the protocols for free by the end of 2016.  Just download the latest version of the software.  If you want the Protocol Trigger option, then you will need to pay for it or use the hack posted by StevenBoeckx.