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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #125 on: July 08, 2016, 03:48:07 pm »


damn son that resolution
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #126 on: July 08, 2016, 10:25:43 pm »
This one is cool to:

 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #127 on: July 08, 2016, 11:29:33 pm »
I was very satisfied with the 384x288 resolution of my Therm-App.... now I'm not satisfied anymore.
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #128 on: July 08, 2016, 11:41:17 pm »
Wanna sell it?  :P I have a serious thermal camera withdrawal symptoms... (because my Seek died)
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #129 on: July 09, 2016, 12:41:21 am »
+1 (my Seek got stolen :( )
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #130 on: July 09, 2016, 02:04:36 pm »
I'm willing to sell it but unfortunately I don't I can sell it at a good enough price since I paid ~200USD of Import fees to get it into the country which I would want to somewhat recoup :(
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #131 on: July 09, 2016, 04:31:42 pm »
No worries. If I cant fix the Seek I'll probably buy ThermalExpert. ;)
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #132 on: July 10, 2016, 12:10:36 am »
640x480 version?  :P
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #133 on: July 10, 2016, 12:44:19 am »
Soo tempting... must resist...  :scared:
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #134 on: July 10, 2016, 12:49:14 am »
Hehe well the plan was to wait for the Seek to start selling pro model to see if that would force ThermalExpert to lower the price of basic model to once advertised 500$ range. ;)
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #135 on: July 22, 2016, 02:29:47 pm »
Hehe well the plan was to wait for the Seek to start selling pro model to see if that would force ThermalExpert to lower the price of basic model to once advertised 500$ range. ;)
I just got a price quote and the base TE-Q1 is $US499 now... (6.8mm lens)
 
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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #136 on: July 22, 2016, 04:24:53 pm »
Thank you for sharing. That is really good news.  :-+
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #137 on: July 24, 2016, 12:47:12 pm »
rip seek (again)

While we haven't seen the image quality from the CompactPro, I can't see it surpassing the ThermalExpert/Therm-App. This, in addition to the fact that the ThermalExpert is practically the same price as the CompactPro gives me no reason to recommend the CompactPro.

The CompactPro also lacks interchangeable lenses compared to the TE/TA.

Hopefully this also makes Opgal drop the pricing for the Therm-App.
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #138 on: July 25, 2016, 04:25:16 pm »
ThermalExpert has a new website with store and prices... http://www.i3-thermalexpert.com/shop/
T.E. V1 (640x480) with 19mm f/1.0 lens is $2,990.00.

I decided to give my self a gift in the form of "T. E – Q1 Plus". It's 384 x 288 model with 13mm f/1.0 lens.
I think this will be a great new toy.  ;)
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2016, 06:54:02 pm »
And they've added comparisons between SeekThemal, Flir One, TE 384x288 and TE 640x480:
http://www.i3-thermalexpert.com/products/why-thermal-expert/
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2016, 11:54:55 pm »
Bleh, the Q1 plus is nice indeed, but rather expensive especially once their shipping rate is added, bit more than I'd want to pay... if only Seek had prices published on the CompactPro...
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #141 on: July 26, 2016, 02:04:42 am »
Bleh, the Q1 plus is nice indeed, but rather expensive especially once their shipping rate is added, bit more than I'd want to pay... if only Seek had prices published on the CompactPro...
Seek CompactPro price is suppose to be 500$ in US and 600€ in EU.
For me in EU the decision is really easy.
Should I buy Seek with noisy tiny 320x240 sensor fo 600€ + approx 10€ shipping or T.E. Q1 with big ass sensor for 455€+60€ shipping.
So I decided to buy T.E. Q1 Plus with big f/1.0 lens which costs 544€ + 60€ shipping. Still less than Seek.

This image is in promo material for Seek CompactPro:


And this are images from T.E. Q1:



Seek CompactPro:


T.E. Q1:
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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #142 on: July 26, 2016, 02:42:54 am »
Seek CompactPro price is suppose to be 500$ in US and 600€ in EU.
For me in EU the decision is really easy.

Well yes if that's the price there certainly is no doubt. Given there's no officially released price I guess I'm still hoping it would come out for $350-400 or so which would suit me better since I don't really need the TE's quality and it would be hard to justify the extra $, I would be happy with something just a little better than the original Seek which the new Compact Pro should be.
If the $500 price was confirmed I'd place an order for the TE right away.
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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #143 on: July 26, 2016, 03:35:59 am »
The price 500$ is listed on Seek site:

PRICING AND AVAILABILITY

The Seek CompactPRO sells for an MSRP of $499.00 USD and will be available through authorized distribution channels in all North American and EMEA markets.

http://www.thermal.com/press-releases/2016/6/20/compactpro
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #144 on: July 26, 2016, 03:39:03 am »
Ah yep, the morons could have put that straight on the product page stub instead of the "subscribe for updates"... oh well, seems I'll have no choice but to whip the card out for the TE...  >:D
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #145 on: July 26, 2016, 08:45:06 am »
At this point, I would certainly hope nobody goes for the Seek over the TE Q1. The Q1 blows the Seek completely out if the water in terms of accuracy, resolution, and ease of use. Considering they are selling at the same price, it's a no brainer here. Seek put out yet another subpar product and they didn't time it right. Now they are going to get shut out of the market.
 
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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #146 on: July 26, 2016, 06:08:08 pm »
Q1 Plus ordered :)
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #147 on: July 26, 2016, 10:58:32 pm »
It is clear that the thermal imaging market is evolving very quickly.

It should be remembered that SEEK Thermal wanted to provide a thermal camera for the common man. To do so, they used the innovative approach of a new microbolomter that contained 12um pixels. That is right on the edge of viability in terms of single pixel wavelength response. It is true you can go smaller but that discussion is for another day.

SEEK used a truly tiny microbolometer and a vey small Chalcogenide Glass thermal lens to illuminate it. The poor thing was immediately operating at a disadvantage when compared to cameras that used a larger microbolometer and lens. That was before the image processing capabilities of SEEK Thermal are considered.

The recent arrival of affordable thermal imaging cameras from ThermApp and Thermal Expert proved that excellent image quality was available in a compact format using a smartphone host. The ThermApp and Thermal Expert both use quite large microbolometers and lenses. They are well ahead of the SEEK cameras and FLIR ONE G2 before any image processing capabilities are considered.

It is no surprise that the SEEK offerings are now looking poor value for money in terms of image quality. The consumer grade thermal cameras have raced down to the SEEK Thermal segment of the market and, quite frankly, flattened it into the ground. Sure the classic model is still very cheap, but that has to compete with the FLIR ONE G2. The SEEK Pro camera is too little too late. They are still messing with a severely compromised microbolometer and lens system. Sadly I see other consumer grade thermal cameras gradually pushing SEEK Thermal into the background. I hoped they would do well, but the thermal camera market is a very challenging place and there will always be casualties. FLIR are unlikely to want to buy them out, as they have other competing manufacturers in the past. SEEK no longer pose a significant commercial threat and have no technological edge that FLIR desires.

Just my view and others will have theirs. I still thank SEEK Thermal for effectively chucking a metaphorical hand grenade into the thermal camera marketplace though. Sadly history has shown that such brave companies often have initial success until others take an interest and out compete them in the newly developed marketplace.

Fraser
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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #148 on: July 27, 2016, 06:44:28 am »
$499 is pretty crazy for this camera. It cost me about double that half a year ago! I guess it pays to be patient :)
 

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Re: Another smartphone thermal imager from i3
« Reply #149 on: July 27, 2016, 04:35:00 pm »
TI market for consumers really evolved fast.
In the beginning of 2014 Therm-App came out with $4000 price.
And now in the middle of 2016 you can get the same quality for $500 (T.E. Q1). :-+
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 04:36:47 pm by frenky »
 


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