Confuse thermal imaging (Flir one pro vs Seek compact pro)

[f14]

Hi Guys,
Im have plan to buy entry/ hobby thermal imaging
I have two option Seek compact pro ( higher res ) and Flir one pro ( MSX ,have 4 spot check ?)
I will use for check  PCB circuit/ electronics part ,  hi details image is best
With one is  best for my job , Or have other option ?
Thank you very much!

[Bruno28]

The higher resolution of the CompactPro is a win for me. I've had this one and it's quite good resolution. Compared to the CompactXr and Compact which ice also had, The Pro is a massive improvement in thermal image quality. And the seek compact (standard) is still a higher resolution than the Flir Pro.
I don like flies MSX, because it only works if you have light around you. I like 100% thermal images.

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[Spirit532]

I just made a similar decision and went with a Seek Compact Pro.

It offers much higher resolution and 15+ frames per second(if you have a PC or a powerful phone), over the FLIR One's 80x60(third gen is 80x60, only the $500 pro version is 160x120), and MSX doesn't give you much advantage at that resolution difference - plus you can focus the Seek Compact Pro without any hardware mods, and it works at around 15cm.

There's also software to control the Seek cameras on Windows and Linux(though no temp readout yet).

If you'd like a professional tool, the FLIR E4 hacked to E8 and a focusing aid tool is a better option. It provides better images than any of the phone cameras, with only the Therm-App($1000) coming close.

[Slavomir]

I have another solution for You. Nobody says about Thermal Expert from i3 system.
I have very good result with TEQ1 and TEQ1 Pro with 384 x 288 matrix and 6.8 mm lens. Minimum distance between lens and PCB should be less than 35 mm. It allows to receive very good magnification of small elements and even paths.
See below IR image of pen-drive's PCB.

[Spirit532]

I have another solution for You. Nobody says about Thermal Expert from i3 system.
I have very good result with TEQ1 and TEQ1 Pro with 384 x 288 matrix and 6.8 mm lens. Minimum distance between lens and PCB should be less than 35 mm. It allows to receive very good magnification of small elements and even paths.
See below IR image of pen-drive's PCB.

The Thermal Expert is weird in terms of purchasing - they won't sell directly to countries in which they have official distributors, who often gouge the prices up to insane levels. To get a TE Q1 here, where I live(Belarus) would cost as much as buying a Therm-App, or even a Therm-App Hz - that is, around $1200-1900.

It's certainly an option to consider if you can get a good price - their software is more open, they have a Windows app, and the sensor is much better than Seek's.

[f14]

Thanks all Guys
I will choice Seek compact pro . and use with amazon fire HDX 7 root ( snap 800 ) is powerfull enough for 15hz  ?
I will buy this equipment on Taobao (chinese site) because In my country it fast and easy buy than ebay or amazon .Seek compact pro price below Flir one pro some cent , and Flir E4 cost over 1k$

[Ultrapurple]

The Thermal Expert is weird in terms of purchasing - they won't sell directly to countries in which they have official distributors, who often gouge the prices up to insane levels. To get a TE Q1 here, where I live(Belarus) would cost as much as buying a Therm-App, or even a Therm-App Hz - that is, around $1200-1900.

I'm in the UK and tried really hard, for months, to buy the 640x480 30Hz Thermal Expert camera but TE couldn't - or wouldn't - sort out the export licence details. They also wouldn't point me in the direction of where I could sort it out. They were very nice and polite, but just didn't seem interested in my money.

In complete contrast, the Therm-App Pro 640x480 25Hz just required me to fill out a simple one-page form giving my name, address, and what I intended to use the imager for ('making pretty pictures'). No problems: it went straight through.

(I do realise that Opgal in Israel is subject to different local laws from Thermal Expert in South Korea, but the difference in attitude was startling).

[Spirit532]

In complete contrast, the Therm-App Pro 640x480 25Hz just required me to fill out a simple one-page form giving my name, address, and what I intended to use the imager for ('making pretty pictures'). No problems: it went straight through.

(I do realise that Opgal in Israel is subject to different local laws from Thermal Expert in South Korea, but the difference in attitude was startling).

To be fair though, Opgal use ULIS sensors which are from the EU, they are exporting back to the EU.
I've never tried buying from Opgal directly as their products are a little out of my budget, but I suspect it wouldn't be as simple for me - but from the feedback on this forum, I think they would at least work with licensing instead of telling the prospective customer that they're on their own.

[sstepane]

I would vote for Seek Thermal Pro and try to find a close-up lens for it. Somehow I have managed to get one in my country - holder is 3d printed, but it works very good. (https://www.olx.ua/obyavlenie/makro-linza-dlya-teplovizora-seek-thermal-IDlNB2E.html#f45e831021 in my country - so You can get an idea on how it works). Focusing adds much more flexibility. Just a simple shot I found on my phone - LQFP48 chip (attachment).

[Uho]

If you need a thermal imager for home use, then the pro version is optional. You need a set of macro lenses and Seek. If you need a thermal imaging microscope, then buy the Flir E8 (E4) and lens kit. I did such a set for the participant of this forum. Photo with macrolens 50mm. Did usual Seek.And photo E8  Video on my lens mount to Flir E4. https://youtu.be/UG-XuUb1GrU

[Ultrapurple]

For close-up work a camera with fully adjustable focus (and interchangeable lenses) like the ThermalExpert or ThermApp works well. The Seek 320 x 240 will offer similar resolution but I don't know how easy it is to mount macro lenses and adjust focus.

These are the sorts of things you can do. These two images were made with a Therm-App and (I think) 13mm lens: 2761




Here I have two lenses mounted back-to-back to image a pin head heated by a laser beam. It's not at anything like maximum magnification - in this sort of setup the working distance can be quite small and the depth of focus minimal, and it was arranged to look good in the photo rather than to have any practical purpose. 4202




Although I can't put a preview here for technical reasons, here is a video of a Broadcom processor 'thinking' - you can literally see different parts of the chip 'light up' as instructions are executed in different parts of the die. 2344