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Has the hackabiliy of the E4 made you buy one :  

Yes, I was already looking at the competition at a similar price, but the hack swung it to E4
201 (24.9%)
Yes, I'd not considered buying a TIC before, but 320x240 resolution at this price justifies it (as either tool or toy!)
388 (48.1%)
Yes, I was going to buy an E5/6/8 class of unit but will now get the E4
38 (4.7%)
No, but am looking out for a cheap i3 to hack
32 (4%)
Not yet, but probably will if now that a closed-box hack becomes is possible
148 (18.3%)

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8150 on: February 03, 2017, 09:12:21 AM »
Yes the UVC Mode seems to have a radiometric mode, but not for FLIR Tools.

I tried the FLIR E4 as UVC Webcam on som Android devices, some of them works, but its more a thing of the App and the Kernel, not the Android device itself (if it has USB Host as well).

i have had success with get the E4 Screen over USB->Rasperry pi->Monitor.
Sadly it don't works with the Octoprint Webserver  :-\
FLIR E4 hardware mods 
Freeware Thermal Analysis Software: ThermoVision_Joe-C
Freeware Remote Software for some FLIR Cameras: Ex Tools
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8151 on: February 05, 2017, 03:59:47 AM »
Hi,
I bought an E4 a few days ago with firmware 2.11.
I want to upgrade it (Hack it) to E4+ but I cannot set the RNDIS mode.
I tried many times to change the default UVC and MSD but it does not change. 
Is it disabled by Flir?

Is there any other way to connect to the camera?

Regards
Platonas

Update:    I figured out the problem with RNDIS.  It is not available via the camera's menu.  I had to run the file "FlirIstallNet.exe" and load the appropriate "fif" file.
Now my camera E4 is an E4+.

Thank you 2lps for providing the solution to the 2.11 version.  A big Thanks for the people that originally found the hack that makes us happier :)
« Last Edit: February 05, 2017, 06:44:43 AM by Platonas »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8152 on: February 06, 2017, 10:21:21 AM »
Hallo,
ich suche nach dem Downgrade Firmeware 2.3.0 Danke

Hi, i lock for the downgrade 2.3.0 - thanks

I have a Flir E6 - with Firmware 2.8.0 -> with update to 2.11.0 is the Menu Hack working :clap: but the Resolution hack is not working |O.
(Error in Line 64)

So i will try with the 2.3.0 patch but i doesn´t finde firmewaer 2.3.0.

Thank you
« Last Edit: February 06, 2017, 10:24:19 AM by papadebaer »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8153 on: February 14, 2017, 08:45:41 AM »
Hello everybody!!!

I bought flir E5 few days ago, only yesterday I found that I can hack her through this forum....
I did not resist a long time...
The thermographic camera has the fw 2.11
i followed this http://fubar.gr/hacking-the-flir-e4/ , with the files indicated here http://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e4-thermal-imaging-camera-teardown/msg921880/#msg921880,
res and menu hacked!  :-+ Thanks to all those who have worked for this wonderful hack!!!!!
Now everything seems to work fine except this screen appeared 2 times.
I turned off and on again.
the error is serious?
what can it be?
you advise me to put everything back the original?

I hope will be of help to other people who E5 2:11

« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 08:47:34 AM by korrado77 »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8154 on: February 14, 2017, 09:17:38 AM »
Did you try cold restart (battery removed)?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8155 on: February 14, 2017, 09:34:37 AM »
Yes papadebaer,
the error is appeared in two different moments and at a distance of about one hour of each other.
still he has not appeared again.

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8156 on: February 15, 2017, 02:49:55 AM »
Error happens normally at lease once after the hack - no worries.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8157 on: February 18, 2017, 04:50:54 AM »
Did anyone notice the E4 was now replaced with E4 Wifi?

https://www.tequipment.net/FLIR/E4-WiFi/

Wonder if it can still be upgraded just fine or if they put lepton cores in these
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8158 on: February 19, 2017, 12:54:19 AM »
no Lepton sensor, it's the same sensor and the same awful fragile USB connector with corresponding lid |O


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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8160 on: February 21, 2017, 07:02:58 AM »
The old 2.3 Firmware upload was deleted. Here is the new Link:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=01657556357711631689
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8161 on: February 23, 2017, 02:13:47 PM »
Anyone have an update if the wifi model can be hacked? Going to take the plunge but just want to hear some confirmation

Thank you
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8162 on: February 26, 2017, 08:52:59 PM »
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no Lepton sensor, it's the same sensor and the same awful fragile USB connector with corresponding lid

There's help for that, at least if you have access to a 3D printer. This http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:290354 drops right into the lid cavity and holds it open so that it doesn't push against the USB cable. (It was also just about the first thing that I designed and printed. My printing technique has improved somewhat since then...)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8163 on: February 27, 2017, 08:18:09 PM »
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no Lepton sensor, it's the same sensor and the same awful fragile USB connector with corresponding lid

There's help for that, at least if you have access to a 3D printer. This http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:290354 drops right into the lid cavity and holds it open so that it doesn't push against the USB cable. (It was also just about the first thing that I designed and printed. My printing technique has improved somewhat since then...)
A simple solution is to use a left/right angled usb cable. It works very well.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8164 on: February 28, 2017, 12:05:36 AM »
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no Lepton sensor, it's the same sensor and the same awful fragile USB connector with corresponding lid

There's help for that, at least if you have access to a 3D printer. This http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:290354 drops right into the lid cavity and holds it open so that it doesn't push against the USB cable. (It was also just about the first thing that I designed and printed. My printing technique has improved somewhat since then...)
A simple solution is to use a left/right angled usb cable. It works very well.

I use the included usb cable, but I run a small length of the cable right along the inside of the lid hinge (it fits in there well and is held in by the rectangular protrusion under the lid) and that holds up the lid avoiding putting stress on the small usb connector. There might be a little more pressure on the cable along the hinge but nothing to too harsh - and the cable is easily replaceable if needed.

I guess you could also jam something else of a similar shape in that hinge if you didn't want the risk of causing damage to the usb cable.

« Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 12:14:28 AM by plurn »
 
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8165 on: March 01, 2017, 07:56:47 PM »
Hi guys,

I got a bad situation on my E4 downgrade to FW 1.18.7,  :palm:


What did I encounter problems show as below:

1. An Original FW 2.3.0 E4 Downgrade to 1.18.7

2. While the process almost done, it stuck on 75%, never keep going even a little bit.

3. I forcibly restart it, but it just load into the FLIR logo and do nothing.   |O


I guess any newer FW downgrade to FW 1.18.7 will have some problem.

So I sent it back FLIR for repair, after arrived five days, FLIR give me a quotation,

It ask for 400 dollars for repair..., yeah, it's 400! If you change your mind,

you need to pay 500 bucks for them without repair.  >:(

 :wtf: , this price I almost can buy another E4.


---------------- return back -----------------

After I paid for repair, and wait for more then two weeks, when I recived it, I found the FW is 2.5.0 (I never saw it before, picture in attachments), and unhackable.

Fortunately, I had backup all the original 2.3.0 data file before.   :phew:

So I replace all of them via Filezilla, I hack it back to 2.3.0 finally.   :-+

Oh, like a nightmare for me. 

Do not downgrade any FW to 1.18.7, or you wallet will such like a leaky water bottle.   :--
« Last Edit: March 01, 2017, 08:07:23 PM by BOGET »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8166 on: March 01, 2017, 08:09:21 PM »
Do not downgrade any FW to 1.18.7, or you wallet will such like a leaky water bottle.   :--

Why would someone want to downgrade to 1.18.7 (or any other older FW)?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8167 on: March 01, 2017, 08:19:41 PM »
Cause I hear about the earlier FW can immediate change the calibration parameters even S/N on unlock web(192.168.0.2) without via Filezilla.  :popcorn:
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8168 on: March 01, 2017, 10:22:25 PM »
There is a problem with this monster thread.......

It is a victim of its success as was predicted by myself and others years ago :(

This thread is literally packed with invaluable information but it is so large that many people do not read it in its entirety. It can also be hard to data mine it unless you choose the very best terms on which to search. Many posts contain very important information that is literally buried in the 'noise'.

I feel for this chap who bricked his E4 by downgrading to 1.18.x. I have been engaged in this thread since the beginning and I remember other E4 owners bad experiences when downgrading late models to early firmwares. Such information could have saved this chap $400 :(

It is well known amongst those familiar with the E4 versions that the 2.x firmwares are configured very differently to the 1.xx firmwares and the calibration tables are vulnerable if an attempt is made to downgrade from 2.xx to 1.xx firmware. The later cameras also use a later Hardware revision that early firmwares do not know about. A recipe for disaster as has been detailed here. This warning is to be found somewhere in this long thread !

I started the FLIR E4 useful information thread a few years ago. It has fallen into disuse now. I was trying to pull out the most important facts about the FLIR E4 but not specifically the hacking of its configuration. This teardown thread has grown massively over the years. It would be great to have a new thread that pulls together all the 'hacking' related information for people to read but that would take a lot of someone's time.

For now, I advise newbies to read this whole thread and to be certain that they know what they are doing. If you get it wrong you can brick your camera good and proper !

Regarding FLIR's repair quote...... hacking related repairs are not covered under the warranty (no surprises there) . FLIR operate a fixed price repair system. For simple repairs the fee is $400 in the USA or £400 in the UK.
Kind of makes my basic rate thermal camera repairs at £50 to £100 look like a bargain :)

More extensive repairs like a new sensor or core cost a small fortune and are often more than the camera is worth.

FLIR are a large industrial OEM and they charge eye watering repair fees to cover their service centre costs etc. This is not at all unusual in industry but consumer market buyers are often unaware of the high fixed fee system that is used.

Do not mess with your E4 unless you are confident you know what you are doing !

Fraser
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8169 on: March 02, 2017, 05:10:40 AM »
is there a difinitive guide ? I have followed links but found that they are out of date, I have a 2.11.0 firmware.
The µCurrent has landed in Europe and now also selling Probe Master probes: http://www.simonselectronics.co.uk
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8170 on: March 04, 2017, 12:05:08 PM »
Any info if this will work on the new WiFi model as the original E4 is being replaced w/ the wifi version?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8171 on: March 04, 2017, 05:30:37 PM »
is there a difinitive guide ? I have followed links but found that they are out of date, I have a 2.11.0 firmware.

See the first link in the first post of the thread!

Any info if this will work on the new WiFi model as the original E4 is being replaced w/ the wifi version?

No one knows yet  :(
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8172 on: March 05, 2017, 05:42:44 AM »
To find out if the latest version of the E4 may be upgraded, someone has to risk their money buying one. Personally I would buy the older E4 model whilst stocks last and are possibly discounted  ;)

The latest 2017 Exx series releases apparently run Linux and have a heavily encrypted configuration to prevent models being upgraded. It is not beyond possibility that the Ex series 2017 release does similar. When producing a new model release, it seems common sense to better protect it.

Fraser
« Last Edit: March 05, 2017, 05:45:42 AM by Fraser »
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8173 on: March 06, 2017, 05:31:52 AM »
Today my new E4 with v2.11 upgraded (resolution and menu).
Works with W10/64bit PC.
Thanks all for the info.  :-+

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #8174 on: March 06, 2017, 07:24:17 AM »
The latest 2017 Exx series releases apparently run Linux and have a heavily encrypted configuration to prevent models being upgraded. It is not beyond possibility that the Ex series 2017 release does similar. When producing a new model release, it seems common sense to better protect it.

I highly doubt it'll never be hacked. A lot of devices are said to be extremely secure, yet they still end up getting rooted or jailbroken. I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case for FLIR products. Even if the firmware is fully locked down, hardware mods should still be possible. Case in point: Xbox mod chips.
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