Flir E40 Upgrade & Configuration

[layws]

Thanks this form and everbody.  I upgrade E40 with 320x240
SN: 645xxxxxx
firmware: 3.12B.7 -> 4.10

Q1:
Everybody know how to login E40 (2014) service menu?
I am try user:flir pwd: 3vlig can not login web service menu.

Q2:
Where to buy lens plastic cover, please see the attach image.

Thanks a lot.

[Chanc3]

Thanks this form and everbody.  I upgrade E40 with 320x240
SN: 645xxxxxx
firmware: 3.12B.7 -> 4.10

Q1:
Everybody know how to login E40 (2014) service menu?
I am try user:flir pwd: 3vlig can not login web service menu.

Q2:
Where to buy lens plastic cover, please see the attach image.

Thanks a lot.

RE: Q1: in the latest firmware they removed the web service menu. I think they completely removed it. I do still have a backup of the previous firmware, so if someone who has greater expertise wants to compare, then let me know.

[layws]

Thanks this form and everbody.  I upgrade E40 with 320x240
SN: 645xxxxxx
firmware: 3.12B.7 -> 4.10

Q1:
Everybody know how to login E40 (2014) service menu?
I am try user:flir pwd: 3vlig can not login web service menu.

Q2:
Where to buy lens plastic cover, please see the attach image.

Thanks a lot.

RE: Q1: in the latest firmware they removed the web service menu. I think they completely removed it. I do still have a backup of the previous firmware, so if someone who has greater expertise wants to compare, then let me know.

Maybe you are right ?!
I use WIFI connect to E40 and copy files, please see the attached file.
No need use USB cable 
/service folder  all empty. 

[Chanc3]

Can you try and copy it over?

[layws]

Can you try and copy it over?

Service menu function, only folder not have any files.

[Chanc3]

I'll see if I can find the files on the older 2012 model of the E60.

[tomas123]

here I posted the web files
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e40-upgrade-configuration/msg564687/#msg564687

and the config files of my E40 2012
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-e40-upgrade-configuration/msg565342/#msg565342

but read the post from Electrotuna - it doesn't work

Hi Tomas,

Thanks for posting your web files! I am one step closer to get this thing working. I copied your web directly and over-wrote my own. I replaced no other files.

Please see attached screenshot.

The web pages take forever to load, and as you can see I am missing the necessary service to be able to perform this task.

[Chanc3]

Do you not think those files could be transferred over also?

[tomas123]

I think, the binary is crippled in newer firmwares

old path

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\Flashfs\system\prodapp.exe
new path

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\flashbfs\system\prodapp.exe

[layws]

Dear tomas123
 Thanks your help. I used your link about flir web site firmware link.
 By use E2comb_v2.23.14.fif change ext file name to E2comb_v2.23.14.zip
 And copy E2comb_v2.23.14.zip\FlashFS\system\web\     all folder *.asp and *.inc to E40
 
 It can work some function.  Pixel Replacement can not work.  Electrotuna - it doesn't work, the same result

 You can use WIFI, direct connect to E40. No need hack and use USB cable.

I am try reset "Usage statistics"  function as well.

[tomas123]

great 

can you make some noise tests?

.caps.config.image.targetNoise.enabled bool true
.caps.config.image.targetNoise.targetNoiseMk int32 135

It could actually be noise reduction or shaping - maybe this is a threshold to decide when to apply noise reduction, i.e. adjust filter until noise is below the target value.  "Mk" - mask? Perhaps something like a hysteresis function?

targetNoiseMk is a noise generator in mK (conforming with NETD/ thermal sensity in Flir Datasheets of the selected cam)
Formerly I stacked some noisy images with Registax or AviStax  to subtract out the randomly noise and it works great!!

after setting targetNoiseMk to zero, stacking of images don't improve results 

here a sample from a Flir E40 (old cam hacked formerly from 160x120 to 320x240)
in service menu I can measuring the noise

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rset .caps.config.image.targetNoise.targetNoiseMk  60 (MilliKelvin)

 Temporal noise        MilliKelvin      Digital Units
Pixel Noise      61.28      12.13
Row Noise        14.84      2.94
Column Noise     13.67      2.71

Spatial noise        MilliKelvin      Digital Units
Pixel Noise      25.69      5.09
Row Noise         7.08      1.40
Column Noise      7.82      1.55
Uniformity      198.23     39.25

Total noise        MilliKelvin      Digital Units
Pixel Noise       67.01     13.27
Row Noise          9.71      1.92
Column Noise      10.10      2.00


and now without noise (cam temperature is 25 Grad):

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rset .caps.config.image.targetNoise.targetNoiseMk  0 (MilliKelvin)

 Temporal noise        MilliKelvin      Digital Units
Pixel Noise      19.85      3.93
Row Noise         6.39      1.26
Column Noise      8.64      1.71

Spatial noise        MilliKelvin      Digital Units
Pixel Noise      18.98      3.76
Row Noise         4.70      0.93
Column Noise      5.54      1.10
Uniformity      210.23      41.63

Total noise        MilliKelvin      Digital Units
Pixel Noise      28.96      5.73
Row Noise         5.76      1.14
Column Noise      7.66      1.52

see the differences (NETD is 0,03 °C @ 25°C)

http://gs.flir.com/surveillance-products/surveillance-technology/imaging-technotes/IR_Technology_Parameters
Uncooled infrared cameras systems are typically a little noisier, in the range of 30 - 120mK. Noise in an image can be spatial or temporal.
Spatial noise is noise across the image at any given point in time. It is perceived as an unchanging fixed pattern on top of the image.
Temporal noise is noise at any point in the image over time. It is perceived as the static that moves in an image.
NETD is typically the measure of both these noise types.

remarkably Flir dont't disable the noise generator at the top cams of a serie (Flir E4 -> E8 , Flir E30 -> E60)

[layws]

Dear tomas123
  Q1: How to check Temporal noise data? I  can try to do a test. Thanks
  Q2: Would you have 3.12.7 flir firmware? I want to test \web\ *.asp to try

  My data
  .caps.config.image.services.store.incompatible.enabled bool false
  .caps.config.image.services.store.incompatible.level int32 0

  .caps.config.image.settings.downsample bool false
  .caps.config.image.settings.resIR int32 320

  .caps.config.image.targetNoise.enabled bool true
.caps.config.image.targetNoise.targetNoiseMk int32 5
 

[tomas123]

Q1: run the noise test in your service menu (look at your screenshot)
Q2: if have an old E40 without MSX (P/N:490xx) with firmware 2.23.14 from year 2013
http://support.flir.com/SwDownload/app/RssSWDownload.aspx?ID=127
Flir never updated the firmware of this "old" camera   

my data, but for what?

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.caps.config.image.services: (1)
rw--r--------- 0 root   root   <e> store                           

.caps.config.image.services.store: (3)
r---r--------- 0 root   root   <b> enabled                     true
rw--r--------- 0 root   root   <e> incompatible                   
rw--r--------- 0 root   root   <e> radiometric                     

.caps.config.image.services.store.incompatible: (2)
r---r--------- 0 root   root   <b> enabled                    false
r---r--------- 0 root   root   <i> level                          0

.caps.config.image.services.store.radiometric: (1)
r---r--------- 0 root   root   <b> enabled                     true
this means, that you add 5mK fake noise to your images
.caps.config.image.targetNoise.targetNoiseMk int32 5

look at my full dump above

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rset .caps.config.image.targetNoise.targetNoiseMk  60 (MilliKelvin)
results in:
 

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Temporal noise        MilliKelvin     
Pixel Noise           61.28     

[layws]

Sorry no response, maybe 2.23.14 can not copy for 4.10.0

[Chanc3]

I have a number of other firmwares for other FLIR cameras, maybe those can help? Unfortunately none of them are from cameras which had MSX.


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[layws]

I have a number of other firmwares for other FLIR cameras, maybe those can help? Unfortunately none of them are from cameras which had MSX.


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I try those again, T4***, T6*** series firmware  still can not use.

[layws]

FLIR Exx P/N:645xx / 646xx (4.13.0) Update Pack

Would you have good idea?

http://support.flir.com/SwDownload/app/RssSWDownload.aspx?ID=194

[Chanc3]

I'd try and not update firmware. The older the better, really.

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[Fraser]

I finally got around to upgrading my E40 today. It is a MK1 model from 2012 and it had an early firmware installed. IIRC it was V1.3x.

I decided to carry out the upgrade over FTP using the USB port, rather than via Wi-Fi, as I needed to know the process in order to help an E30 owner.

All went well but after the upgrade the measurement crosshairs were located in the top left quadrant of the screen. I had read about this somewhere else on this forum and I think the owner edited a configuration file X/Y co-ordinate entry to solve it.

Remember, I was on an earlier firmware version than recommended for the upgrade files. I chose not to update the firmware first in order to see if the earlier firmware played nicely with the upgrade. It appears that the measurement cross hairs position was the only issue.

I carried out the recommended firmware update for a MK1 camera, and all proceeded well. The upgraded configuration files are unchanged by the firmware update and the update stuck. No problems at all. Having checked the dates on the configuration files involved in the E60 upgrade, none are changed by the firmware update process. The measurement cross hair returned to its normal position in the middle of the screen 

My E40(E60) is performing flawlessly and is now even more impressive with its increased resolution 

Now to help a non IT confident E30 owner update his camera via a conference call. Wish me luck !

Fraser

[HighVoltage]

I am about to buy a used E40 tomorrow from a guy and when I have it, I want to upgrade it to E60.

Q1:
Anything I need to look out for, when I inspect the E40 before I buy it?
I guess, if an older FW is installed it is ok but if the newest one is installed it is bad?

Q2:
What is the recommended FW version for doing an upgrade?

Thanks

[Fraser]

@Highvoltage,

I am no expert on the Exx series but when I was looking for one, I considered the following when selecting a unit to purchase used.

1. Hardware version - forgetting revision numbers here, there are at least four versions of the E40 camera. An easy way to spot them follows. The earliest MK1 version has a solid X-Y navigation pad, the later MK1 has individual navigation buttons but in the same format as the earlier model. The final MK1 version has the individual pad buttons plus rubber port covers on the sides rather than hinged plastic doors. The MK2 E40 is the facelifted version that looks similar to the Ex series in that that it uses the rubberised solid X-Y pad. It also has MSX, unlike its predecessors.

Which hardware version is best ? If you desire. MSX you have to buy the MK2. Otherwise they are all very similar. I actively sought out a late MK1 version. I am uncertain whether the earliest MK1 units have Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Worth checking as it's useful.

2. Firmware versions - Forgive me but I do not have a list of firmware versions or specific details of each.
I am aware that the MK1 units are not the same firmware as the MK2. The good news is that development of the MK1 firmware was well formed but stopped with the release of the MK2. Why is this good? The MK1 firmware is complete and was never countermeasures against the upgrade. The final version is available on the FLIR web site. My MK1 came with FW 1.3x and I easily upgraded it to FW 2.xx. Nothing was lost in terms of facilities. The service menu is present and accessible via theUSB port.

The MK2 firmware contains support for the MSX feature that the hardware supports. The firware has been slightly crippled though. The Service menu has been removed so no service features are available. These include all manner of performance tests, calibration and a dead pixel map updating utility. I wanted the service menu but cared little about MSX so went for the late MK1 model. Updating the dead pixel map can be a real bonus to those who intend to keep the camera for a long time and do not wish to send it to FLIR for calibration etc.

To the best of my knowledge, all MK1 and MK2 firmware releases are capable of having their resolution upgraded to 320 x 240. The MK1 can definitely have more advanced menus enabled and these are more than the E60 normally provides ! I am uncertain whether the menu's may be enabled on the MK2 cameras firmware so you need to hear from someone who achieved such themselves.

Which model is best ? I personally wanted a solid performer with the Service manual present. Others may prefer the MK2 due to the presence of MSX. I bought an 'as new' E40 from a research company as excess inventory and got it for £1200. I was happy with the model and price. You need to consider the physical condition of the camera (has it been abused), the version (MK1 or MK2), its Wi-Fi status (present or not on early MK1), battery condition as they cost around 100 Euro each !, screen condition (it's a touch screen so not easily replaced if scratched), and price. Do not overpay. There are some quite good used prices on the E40 these days. I have seen $1500 as about average on eBay. Condition seriously effects price though. Mine was mint so I think I got a nice deal.

Software ? Some Pro camera owners bought professional image reporting or analysis software such as ResearchIR. The software can be very expensive (thousands of Euros) so getting that with a used camera can be a great bonus. Ensure the activation codes or HASP dongle is present though. If not wanted, the software can be sold separately to recover some money on the deal.

Hope this helps

Fraser

[tomas123]

All went well but after the upgrade the measurement crosshairs were located in the top left quadrant of the screen.

I can confirm this.
The configuration saves the cross hair position at the absolut x/y position.
Therefore the cross hair position moves after a change of the resolution.

Over the menu you can simple set (and save) a cross hair at the center position
After a reset of a configuration (FW update) the cross hair also moves to the center...

[Fraser]

Just remembered..... make sure the charger is present. It uses a weird power connector that I have yet to track down. Some cameras come with the optional charging dock as well. This normally costs around 150 Euros. If you are very lucky, some cameras come with other accessories such as the tripod adapter and shade hood for the LCD. Cameras with optional lenses usually cost far more so are rare at good prices. All accessories for the Exx are very expensive as is common in this market segment. Even the LCD shade costs around 50 Euros.

Fraser

[Fraser]

@tomas123,

Thanks for the information on the cross hairs position issue 

Fraser

[Fraser]

This may have already been covered, so sorry if it has.

When upgrading my E40 I had a set of configuration files provided by a fellow forum member, complete with my unique CRC01 entries (he kindly calculated them for me before sending the files) I chose not to use the files as I wanted to do the upgrade process from scratch in order to talk another forum member through the exact process.

I used the original E60 file capture as the source of the configuration files I used. I ended up with a hassle free upgrade to standard E60 spec. All good so far 

Last night I decided to try the files provide by my fellow forum member as they had more functions enabled in the menu's. Whilst the change to the enhanced menu configuration appeared to go well, I did notice a weird problem. At this point I should say that the menu configuration files appeared to have everything enabled and there were even two additional line entries. The camera appeared to behave normally and even included the useless MSX selection menu option !

Now the problem. I saved images and the camera seemed to carry out the IR and VIS save just fine with the small thumbnail image briefly appearing at the top of the screen. I did notice a flash of noise across the screen when initially pressing the save trigger though. After multiple saves I did get one Save Error warning.

Upon using the playback button I could see that whilst my image files existed, only the visible images were present. The IR imagescontained only the Overlay and cross hair data, no image data. Weird ! All were the same. This only happened after installing the 'fully loaded' configuration files.

I am thinking that it is possible to enable too many features for the MK1 camera hardware to cope with ? I know that this firmware resides in more capable camera models and the functions that have been enabled in the fully loaded configuration files are intended for those more powerful platforms. They may work, but their presence could be causing issues with the Exx series camera ?

Has anyone experience of this issue ?

I have re-installed my original vanilla E60 configuration files for now and normal operation is restored. Images save just fine. I have to change the target noise generator setting to zero though. It is currently set to 40mK.

I will be selecting only certain useful additional menu features in my own custom configuration files and hopefully the image save issue will not be triggered by them.

I should state that the camera worked perfectly in every other respect when the image save issue was present. Thank goodness it is so easy to change out the configuration files 

Fraser