Flir E30 MSX or no MSX?

[av8r]

I'm trying to find an E30 or better than I can update, but I'd like to know how to tell if it has MSX capability or not?  I guess I'm also interested in knowing if MSX is desirable or if the Fusion mode is essentially the same thing?

One unit I'm considering.

49001-1801
2.23.14
E30_B1.1
4920XXXX

Thank you

[Fraser]

Some quick comments....

The E30 never had MSX capability as it was discontinued with the release of the MSX equipped Mk2 models
The Mk1 Exx series are not capable of producing the full MSX functionality due to hardware limitations
The Mk2 Exx series are capable of MSX functionality and are identifiable by their later facelifted keypad layout.
MSX is a functionality that captures edge detail in teh secene using a visible light camera and overlays the edges onto the thermal image to provide scene context. Image Fusion is a standard visible light image overlaid on the thermal image with varying levels of transparaency. No edge detection or enhancement is present so the users brain needs to interpret the combined images. MSX can sometimes be easier to interpret due to the absence of a coloured visible light image conflicting wit the colours in the thermal image.

Mk1 Exx series cameras run different firmware to the later Mk2 version. The Mk1 firmware contains the very useful service menu and is easily upgraded to full resolution and additional menu's. The Mk2 may also be upgraded to full resolution and additional menus but there is nor service menu present. The increased temperature capability may only be achieved via the service menu.

The model you detailed is a 'B' suffix model intended for building survey work so has limits placed on its temperature coverage. It also may, or may not, contain the Wireless module. In some E30 models, greater temperature capability is releasable using the service menu.

Fraser

[av8r]

Some quick comments....

The E30 never had MSX capability as it was discontinued with the release of the MSX equipped Mk2 models
The Mk1 Exx series are not capable of producing the full MSX functionality due to hardware limitations
The Mk2 Exx series are capable of MSX functionality and are identifiable by their later facelifted keypad layout.
MSX is a functionality that captures edge detail in teh secene using a visible light camera and overlays the edges onto the thermal image to provide scene context. Image Fusion is a standard visible light image overlaid on the thermal image with varying levels of transparaency. No edge detection or enhancement is present so the users brain needs to interpret the combined images. MSX can sometimes be easier to interpret due to the absence of a coloured visible light image conflicting wit the colours in the thermal image.

Mk1 Exx series cameras run different firmware to the later Mk2 version. The Mk1 firmware contains the very useful service menu and is easily upgraded to full resolution and additional menu's. The Mk2 may also be upgraded to full resolution and additional menus but there is nor service menu present. The increased temperature capability may only be achieved via the service menu.

The model you detailed is a 'B' suffix model intended for building survey work so has limits placed on its temperature coverage. It also may, or may not, contain the Wireless module. In some E30 models, greater temperature capability is releasable using the service menu.

Fraser

I'm not concerned with wifi or bluetooth. 

If the keyboard has the "OK" button on the upper left it is a MKI?

Thank you for your input.  There's a lot on here regarding these, but it's difficult to nail it all down due to all the threads and posts.

[Pinkus]

If the keyboard has the "OK" button on the upper left it is a MKI?

Yes, this would be a MK1.

[eKretz]

You can still get MSX with MK1 in post pretty easily with FLIR Tools though. Just depends if you need it in camera or not. Personally I don't need it, but it is a cool feature. To get it in post with a MK1, take a still image with fusion. When you view it in FLIR Tools you can change the image style preset from Fusion to MSX and even vary how strongly it adds detail.

[cq-317]

My E30BX doesn't have msx functionality, but it has wifi and Bluetooth capabilities after cracking.

[eKretz]

As I mentioned, it can do MSX in post processing with FLIR Tools if you take the image in Fusion or PIP mode. Some cameras have the hardware for wifi etc. and some don't.