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Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« on: December 12, 2016, 04:28:19 AM »
Hi all!

A friend of mine is forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days, after 15+ years, because his employer decided to pull out of Asia.

The immigration laws in Thailand are insane, they force you to leave the country within two weeks if you can't find a new job.  :palm:

He have been working legally and paying taxes for many many years, and now he will be forced to leave almost everything behind (loved ones, friends, habits, etc), very sad...

Right now he is desperately looking for a new work, but it is not easy. But, what else can he do? What other options does he have? Can anyone help in any way? Any tips or ideas are welcome, thanks.

Kind Regards,
Javier.

PS: I don't know if this is the right place to post this. If not, please move it, sorry.
My English is pretty bad, so any corrections would be greatly appreciated, thanks. :)

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2016, 06:52:18 AM »
He should Just go to Cambodia for a month holiday while he looks for a new job.


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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2016, 07:58:46 AM »
So why it is the gov't's fault? If someone has worked in a foreign country for 15 years, he should consider a green card or even immigration, after all it is almost his second hometown.
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2016, 08:15:11 AM »
So why it is the gov't's fault? If someone has worked in a foreign country for 15 years, he should consider a green card or even immigration, after all it is almost his second hometown.
because it is asocial and unfair?
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2016, 08:24:15 AM »
So why it is the gov't's fault? If someone has worked in a foreign country for 15 years, he should consider a green card or even immigration, after all it is almost his second hometown.
because it is asocial and unfair?

That's the governments' goal. To create unfairness and let its citizens live better, and having a functioning boarder.
The immigration service's job is to let permanent or long term workers to work like it is their home, and let opportunity finder being a loser from another country to f* off.
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 12:36:57 PM »
He should Just go to Cambodia for a month holiday while he looks for a new job.
Just go to Cambodia, get a tourist visa, return and find a job.  Then go back to Cambodia to arrange for work permits etc.  Siem Reap is a nice (and very inexpensive) place to spend time with lots of expats from all over the world.

I have a friend who lived in Panang, Malaysia for many years who would take a trip to Thailand to renew her visa every six months or so.  She did this for 10-20 years (not sure exactly how long).  Her husband owned a restaurant she worked at, but being a foreigner she could never get residency or a work permit and had to do the tourist visa dance indefinitely.
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2016, 03:54:30 PM »
I knew someone who also did this visa dance with Thailand.  Seems crazy, but it seems to work.
 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2016, 04:20:21 PM »
So why it is the gov't's fault? If someone has worked in a foreign country for 15 years, he should consider a green card or even immigration, after all it is almost his second hometown.
If I remember right the person has to write and speak Thai, give up their own country citizenship, pass a written test in Thai and give up their first born.  I think I read about 25 a year do this.  Not like the US where all you have to do is cross the border.
 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2016, 05:06:41 PM »
So why it is the gov't's fault? If someone has worked in a foreign country for 15 years, he should consider a green card or even immigration, after all it is almost his second hometown.
If I remember right the person has to write and speak Thai, give up their own country citizenship, pass a written test in Thai and give up their first born.  I think I read about 25 a year do this.  Not like the US where all you have to do is cross the border.

Maybe it was so strict, but not now. http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2016, 05:14:48 PM »
So why it is the gov't's fault? If someone has worked in a foreign country for 15 years, he should consider a green card or even immigration, after all it is almost his second hometown.
because it is asocial and unfair?

That's the governments' goal. To create unfairness and let its citizens live better, and having a functioning boarder.
The immigration service's job is to let permanent or long term workers to work like it is their home, and let opportunity finder being a loser from another country to f* off.
i'm glad that's not that much the case here in germany. i want to live in an open community that gives people with less luck/abilities a chance. there's always some parasites, but that's normally a minority. most people have an inner motor that drives them to become independent again.
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2016, 05:15:23 PM »
Hi all!
A friend of mine is forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days, after 15+ years, because his employer decided to pull out of Asia.
The immigration laws in Thailand are insane, they force you to leave the country within two weeks if you can't find a new job.  :palm:

How long do you think is fair then?
Australia only allows 28 days IIRC after your work VISA expires.

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He have been working legally and paying taxes for many many years, and now he will be forced to leave almost everything behind (loved ones, friends, habits, etc), very sad...

After 15 years he should have applied for permanent residency then if those thing were important to him?
Surely he knew his residency was a) temporary, and b)dependent upon his employment? Yet still decided to ride it for 15 years thinking he'll never lose his job?
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2016, 05:27:25 PM »
Maybe it was so strict, but not now. http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php

Seems doable but my guess the 100 max a year is a real pisser.  Wished the US had a limit even if it was 1,000,000 a year
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2016, 05:31:13 PM »
So why it is the gov't's fault? If someone has worked in a foreign country for 15 years, he should consider a green card or even immigration, after all it is almost his second hometown.
because it is asocial and unfair?

That's the governments' goal. To create unfairness and let its citizens live better, and having a functioning boarder.
The immigration service's job is to let permanent or long term workers to work like it is their home, and let opportunity finder being a loser from another country to f* off.

Bollocks !!

 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2016, 07:34:09 PM »

How long do you think is fair then?
Australia only allows 28 days IIRC after your work VISA expires.


NZ is technically zero days, but they give 28 days grace as well.  Unless you are an ozzie bludger. they can stay here for as long as they like and we'll even pay them a benefit.     Tahts beucase we love our ozzie cousins.
 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2016, 05:05:54 AM »
@everyone:

First of all, thank you all for your advices!
I have provided him a link to this post, however I'm still waiting for a reply. I guess because of his current situation he must be very busy trying to solve the problem. But I hope he has read this post and we have some news soon.

Thanks again to everyone.  :-+



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After 15 years he should have applied for permanent residency then if those thing were important to him?
Surely he knew his residency was a) temporary, and b)dependent upon his employment? Yet still decided to ride it for 15 years thinking he'll never lose his job?

I have no idea, I asked myself the same questions, but I can not give you an answer yet, because I'm waiting for an answer.
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How long do you think is fair then?
Australia only allows 28 days IIRC after your work VISA expires.

For this question I can give you a reply right now:
Up to a maximum of 2 months with a minimum of 28 days, at least. Proportional to the time worked in that country (for example). To me two weeks seems like a very short time. Do you really think that two weeks is enough?


My English is pretty bad, so any corrections would be greatly appreciated, thanks. :)

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2016, 06:27:29 AM »
@everyone:

First of all, thank you all for your advices!
I have provided him a link to this post, however I'm still waiting for a reply. I guess because of his current situation he must be very busy trying to solve the problem. But I hope he has read this post and we have some news soon.

Thanks again to everyone.  :-+



@David:

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After 15 years he should have applied for permanent residency then if those thing were important to him?
Surely he knew his residency was a) temporary, and b)dependent upon his employment? Yet still decided to ride it for 15 years thinking he'll never lose his job?

I have no idea, I asked myself the same questions, but I can not give you an answer yet, because I'm waiting for an answer.
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How long do you think is fair then?
Australia only allows 28 days IIRC after your work VISA expires.

For this question I can give you a reply right now:
Up to a maximum of 2 months with a minimum of 28 days, at least. Proportional to the time worked in that country (for example). To me two weeks seems like a very short time. Do you really think that two weeks is enough?

Here , there are strange things.

First, according his friend, if he has worked for 15 years , Why doesn't he  request the permanent resident? What had he kind visa ?   student visa?

Second, if he has girlfriend and friends.  Anybody of his friends and  girlfriend family's could hire  for a few months?

Third , Is he inscribed to Spanish Ambassory on Tailand? And has he requested help to spanish ambassory?

 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2016, 06:37:05 AM »
He should Just go to Cambodia for a month holiday while he looks for a new job.
Just go to Cambodia, get a tourist visa, return and find a job.  Then go back to Cambodia to arrange for work permits etc.  Siem Reap is a nice (and very inexpensive) place to spend time with lots of expats from all over the world.

I have a friend who lived in Panang, Malaysia for many years who would take a trip to Thailand to renew her visa every six months or so.  She did this for 10-20 years (not sure exactly how long).  Her husband owned a restaurant she worked at, but being a foreigner she could never get residency or a work permit and had to do the tourist visa dance indefinitely.

That's the same method that use the illegal spaniards on Brasil, when their visa little for expiring . They travel to Paraguay border's , they cross the bridge between Brasil-Paraguay and they return the same day.
 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2017, 07:35:39 AM »
This is Thailand we are talking about. Few countries are easier to hack in term of visa stays.

Tens of thousand of entrepeneurs/freelancers/lazy hippies live in Thailand permanently with no job contract... probably more than any other country in the world.


From top of my head...

1) As already mentioned, visa run to Phnom Penh (Siem Riep not enough as far as I know) This buys you 6 extra months, and you can repeat again and again forever. I met people who had been doing it for more than a decade. Perfectly legal too.

2) How old is he? Look into retirement visa. If you meet the age requirements, the financial requirements are quite doable, just have some cash in the bank and they give you a permanent visa for the rest of your life.


3) Just get one of those "student visas". Wont endorse illegal stuff in the forum, but your friend should know what it means. Actually I admire the inventiveness of thai people, it's quite a hack on the visa system.

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5)
I can think of at least two aditional obvious solutions, but again this is my second post so won't start speaking about illegal stuff.


This smells funny though... I know all this after staying there for 1 year.. your friend cannot figure a solution out after all that time living there?
 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2017, 03:22:25 PM »
I am on L-1 in the USA. If I would get fired, I'd have to leave the country in 24h. Is that considered fair compared to 2 weeks?
 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2017, 04:10:58 PM »
I am on L-1 in the USA. If I would get fired, I'd have to leave the country in 24h. Is that considered fair compared to 2 weeks?

You now have 60 days, according to the new policy effective on Jan. 17. This affects L1, H1B, E-series non-immigrant workers and EB1~3 immigrant workers.
I believe F1 students have 60 days as well if my memory serves me correctly, and when OPT is applied and granted, another 3 months of unemployed staying in total is allowed.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/11/18/2016-27540/retention-of-eb-1-eb-2-and-eb-3-immigrant-workers-and-program-improvements-affecting-high-skilled
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2017, 04:50:55 PM »
Maybe it was so strict, but not now. http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php

Seems doable but my guess the 100 max a year is a real pisser.  Wished the US had a limit even if it was 1,000,000 a year


There ARE limits on US immigration.  Here is a report on the current number of applicants on various waiting lists.  It is by no means automatic as "having no limit" would imply.

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Immigrant-Statistics/WaitingListItem.pdf

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2017, 01:07:48 AM »
I am on L-1 in the USA. If I would get fired, I'd have to leave the country in 24h. Is that considered fair compared to 2 weeks?

You now have 60 days, according to the new policy effective on Jan. 17. This affects L1, H1B, E-series non-immigrant workers and EB1~3 immigrant workers.
I believe F1 students have 60 days as well if my memory serves me correctly, and when OPT is applied and granted, another 3 months of unemployed staying in total is allowed.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/11/18/2016-27540/retention-of-eb-1-eb-2-and-eb-3-immigrant-workers-and-program-improvements-affecting-high-skilled

I am not a lawyer to understand that in detail, but do you understand 10 days vs 60 days clauses?
 

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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2017, 02:18:46 AM »
I am not a lawyer to understand that in detail, but do you understand 10 days vs 60 days clauses?

IMHO the 10 days is for pre-employment and post-employment (totally 20 days), if employment is terminated by visa end date, not by being fired. Being fired doesn't give you the 10 days.
The 60 days is additional, it didn't exist before, but starting from now, it is universally available no matter how one gets unemployed, either by end of visa, or by being fired.
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Re: Forced to leave Thailand in about 7 days!
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2017, 05:35:42 AM »
If the OP's 'friend' has been there for 15 years - you think he'd get more than 7 days prior warning of collapse from his company?
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