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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2019, 03:06:31 pm »
I own an AD license and have since Protel 99. I am glad to see Altium prospering. It would be nice if there were some consistency in the pricing and perhaps some lowering of it as well.

Altium have a history of rollercoaster pricing.
I was in the room when Nick Martin told all staff that they there slashing the price by 75% and were "burning the bridges" and could never go back to high priced software  :-DD
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2019, 08:49:31 am »
Lol... I was surfing the web and an ad popped up. It was for Atium. It said the price was 3499 or something like that. I was kind of stunned and clicked it. It came with 2 upgrades. I was kind of confused and thought they were advertising the subscription, so I clicked around and I accidentally navigated out. I tried going back, but Google ad sense gave me a different ad instead. If that price was for real, I would buy it.

Same here!
But I found that link was for upgrading an existing Altium licence to the latest. https://www.altium.com/upgrade-old or https://www.altium.com/de/upgrade

I think this is prob what you also saw.

Honestly I'm pretty disappointed. I'd not hesitate to buy it at that price.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2019, 09:38:27 am »
So, how do i know that versions 20, 21 will be resonably stable and bug free.  I'm being asked to pay for something that i can't test, and in fact no body has tested.    Based on previous expereince I simply dont' have confidence in Altium to deliver.
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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2019, 04:36:10 pm »
It will never be bug free. It's Altium we're talking about.
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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2019, 10:40:08 pm »
I just received an email from Altium offering the deals shown below. It can also be accessed from this webpage:

https://go.altium.com/index.php/email/emailWebview?

I clicked on the link provided in the email. The Altium server then automatically checks my existing Altium license & provides this statement:

"*Offer expires May 22, 2019. Local currencies apply".

"Team Up and Save"
"Get 40% off when you add a new seat of Altium Designer®!"

"Trade In - Trade Up"
"Get 45% off Altium Designer® 19 and 2 FREE years of subscription when you trade in your design tools from Eagle™, OrCAD™, PADS™, and more!"

"Level Up Your PCB Design Game"
"Upgrade an older version of Altium Designer® to Altium Designer 19 for ONLY $3,790 and get 2 FREE years of subscription!
"

So, for customers in Australia, the upgrade price is AUD$3,790

I would actually be tempted ................ except I like & mainly use DipTrace these days. Not nearly as powerful as Altium but it is very logical & easy to use & I could (without difficulty) design and layout a computer motherboard if required.
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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2019, 01:08:05 pm »
Just saw it on youtube... they include 60 day free ondemand training
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2019, 06:52:22 pm »
Hi all, I'm the VP of Marketing here at Altium and the short answer to your questions here is, Yes. We've enjoyed significant growth over these past years and we are keen to make it as easy as possible for everyone to join the family. This growth has created a lot of opportunities for sole proprietor Service Bureaus (Large Service Bureaus for that matter too), and we want to make sure that everyone has the ability to be a part of this growing family. Likewise, as we've added so many users, companies are finding a lot of design and engineering talent out there coming on board with Altium Designer experience and we want it to be easy for these companies to make the switch too. So, bring us what you got and we can most certainly work something out with you. These opportunities are worldwide, for the most part, so, ring us or just complete one of our forms around the internet or on our home page at www.altium.com. We have something for everybody; existing customers looking to add a user, those looking to upgrade an older version of Altium Designer to the latest, trade in a competitive product, etc.

On the Trade-In offer specifically, you will be locked in for 2 years which means you'll also be in the queue to get access to AD20 and AD21 while also having access to technical support the whole time.

This was tyoical altitum. came in made lots of comments, and then just dissapears when a bunch of people who dont' drink the altiumade ask some hard questions.  I thought he might have come back and answered the critism
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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2019, 08:12:36 pm »
MrPackethead et al,

I'm still here... I didn't realize that your last post was a direct question to me, sorry. Stay tuned as I will be posting here the 19.1 updates ~ next week to this thread for all of you. With 19.1 we will be very detailed about what specific bugs have been crunched, how many votes it got and what specific stability and performance enhancements were added and exactly what those enhancements mean in tangible terms. So, to answer your question about how you know that 20 and 21 will be great releases, in short, you don't. Perception is the reality and it is on Altium to change your perception. Let's face it, all software has bugs, but we need to do a much better job of communicating with our user base about exactly what we are doing to address said bugs, perceived or otherwise. Happy to engage! Thanks and stay tuned.
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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2019, 10:40:16 pm »
FWIW, I don't think anyone expects Altium to be perfect.  Yes, all software has bugs, and more complex software tends to have more bugs--anyone who's ever used any sort of intricate specialty software is used to that.  I think what really gets people so frustrated with Altium is that there are so many bugs that are 1) in really fundamental functions, like all of the stupid things that interactive routing does, or the way that grid snapping is completely and totally broken in Draftsman, and 2) that have been around FOREVER with zero indication from Altium that they're ever going to be addressed.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2019, 12:10:27 am »
MrPackethead et al,
So, to answer your question about how you know that 20 and 21 will be great releases, in short, you don't.
Exactly im glad you understand.  And history is a very good predictor of what will happen in the future. 

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Perception is the reality and it is on Altium to change your perception.
Unstable and crashing software was my reality for 18 months, and the reality i got from 'support' (which was paid for ) was
that it was 'my fault' and it was 'your hardware' and it was 'your os' and it was never altiums fault.  When version 17 came along it was stable and oddly enough ran nicely on that same hardware that was at fault previously.     When you say its my perception, It reinforces how i feel about altium.   Altium really only thinks that its the end users problem.     
V17 is usable,  but i'm glad i did'tn pay for support for version 18, because from all accounts from other users, v18 was not good. 

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Let's face it, all software has bugs,
ALtiums had more than were accpetable.  All i wanted was somethign that did'tn crash!


The reality is now, that i'm not prepared to 'trust' altium for updates to software that may or may not be 'resonable'.    I've been burned.     I coudl evalutate v19, and if it was good, i'd pay for V19,  but i would not be prepared for something i can't test.
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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2019, 12:18:03 am »
The reality is now, that i'm not prepared to 'trust' altium for updates to software that may or may not be 'resonable'.    I've been burned.     I coudl evalutate v19, and if it was good, i'd pay for V19,  but i would not be prepared for something i can't test.

FYI, AD19.0.15 is pretty stable as of now. It did have bugs, some very serious bugs, on its previous versions. My workplace has 19.0.10, and it sometimes DELETES its design on its own, or sometimes the design file is not interoperable with newer versions.

But at home I have 19.0.15, and I never had those problems. I jumped 19.0.10, and I went from 18.1.12 directly to 19.0.12.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2019, 02:24:21 am »
MrPacketHead,

By all means, let us post the release and then have a go with it. The eval is a download away from the top navigation on our pages. If you have any issues getting your hands on the eval, contact me directly, and I'll make sure you get what you need.
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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2019, 02:42:15 am »
"Level Up Your PCB Design Game"
"Upgrade an older version of Altium Designer® to Altium Designer 19 for ONLY $3,790 and get 2 FREE years of subscription![/i]"

So, for customers in Australia, the upgrade price is AUD$3,790

That's not bad.
Too bad your program stops working in two years time.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2019, 02:45:27 am »
FWIW, I don't think anyone expects Altium to be perfect.  Yes, all software has bugs, and more complex software tends to have more bugs--anyone who's ever used any sort of intricate specialty software is used to that.  I think what really gets people so frustrated with Altium is that there are so many bugs that are 1) in really fundamental functions, like all of the stupid things that interactive routing does, or the way that grid snapping is completely and totally broken in Draftsman, and 2) that have been around FOREVER with zero indication from Altium that they're ever going to be addressed.

One of the problems might be that almost all of the original main coders are now gone. The core team had been there a long time, many since the Protel days, and they were very good. The move to China sparked the eventual exodus. But Altium has always famously had long standing bugs that haven't been fixed.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2019, 03:04:01 am »
MrPacketHead,

By all means, let us post the release and then have a go with it. The eval is a download away from the top navigation on our pages. If you have any issues getting your hands on the eval, contact me directly, and I'll make sure you get what you need.

I'm sure i can download and eval it.  But A proper eval takes a resonable amount of time.  Lets assume for the sake of argument that version 19 checks out just fine, and i was happy with it.   That is not the issue.   The issue is that you are asking me to buy and pay for maintenance for the untested ( and actually unwritten versions ) of code.   Altiums track record is such that i dont' trust it to deliver code that is actually bug-free and stable enough to use.     

Given this, i'm not going to spend the time to evaluate vs19, because right now Altium has disqualified itself from my procurement, due to its track record of non delivery. 

If you had the option that i could choose to upgrade to the existing vs19,  without maintenance, then I would evaluate it.

I'm not so closed minded that i've said, never altium ever again. Things change and you guys might from here do a stellar job. But how am i supposed to evalate that. Right now altium has to be on a version by version  basis only.
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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2019, 03:29:02 am »
What's happened is the big CAD companies priority is constantly adding features in an attempt to charge more money. Each feature is poorly done, not so useful and just clutters the user-interface and adds bugs.
After 10-20+ years of that, you have a dog's breakfast CAD program that is hard to use, doesn't really do what the PCB designer needs and spews out exception errors a little too frequently. Then they have the audacity to charge for a maintenance subscription which is another nightmare. Ever update Altium in the middle of a big project? = trainwreck.

Until the monopoly is dethroned, we all have to put up with low quality PCB CAD software, and bosses who expect PCB layout to be done quickly, efficiently and without errors.
I look forward to drawing every PCB footprint from scratch, thanks Altium for bungling and orphaning your component libraries.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2019, 04:43:33 am »
What's happened is the big CAD companies priority is constantly adding features in an attempt to charge more money. Each feature is poorly done, not so useful and just clutters the user-interface and adds bugs.
After 10-20+ years of that, you have a dog's breakfast CAD program that is hard to use, doesn't really do what the PCB designer needs and spews out exception errors a little too frequently. Then they have the audacity to charge for a maintenance subscription which is another nightmare. Ever update Altium in the middle of a big project? = trainwreck.

When working at Altium we had to run and use the latest daily build. Fine for software people, bad idea for a hardware team trying to get actual jobs done. The hardware team quickly realised we had to use a "stable" version to get our daily work done, so we secretly agreed upon what we thought was a stable internal release and used that for serious work.
I'll have to say though, not once in using all these internal builds (often very experimental) do I ever recall getting a corrupted file or losing work, which I found quite remarkable, as my fear was that some internal build would corrupt my file or something like that.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2019, 04:48:42 am »
What's happened is the big CAD companies priority is constantly adding features in an attempt to charge more money. Each feature is poorly done, not so useful and just clutters the user-interface and adds bugs.

This was a big issue for Altium (and I'm sure other EDA companies), Protel 99SE was used by customers (especially in China) for about a decade and it was very difficult to get people to upgrade because the package did what they needed and it was stable. Adding new features didn't seem worthwhile to anyone, and it was always a hard sell getting people to upgrade their working tool. And it didn't help that they read on forum and hear from other that the latest versions were unstable etc.
This is one of the reasons they moved away from supporting older version with bug fixes and pushed people onto subscription now, (apart from consistent income) it forces them to upgrade to get bug fixes.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2019, 09:56:45 pm »
It's too bad they appear to have wasted money developing then orphaning CircuitMaker web-based app.
Nobody wants their design to be entirely at the whim of Altium's servers up-time, security, policies and dynamic pricing based on the mood of the CEO.

Cloud-based computing is being pushed on us all, but when you've got $10,000's of time and IP invested in component libraries and designs, moving to "I don't own my data and I cannot protect it" is ridiculous.
Charging for private projects? Cloud only? I wonder why it's not catching on...

If only this software development energy went into cleaning up some bugs, listening to feature fixes/wants from users, making libraries that can be trusted, and stopping the version 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 etc. race to nothing of significant value.
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2019, 07:53:34 pm »
This is one of the reasons they moved away from supporting older version with bug fixes and pushed people onto subscription now, (apart from consistent income) it forces them to upgrade to get bug fixes.
So what you're saying is that the slow pace of bug fixes is a deliberate ploy to keep people on subscription  :scared:  (I say that as a joke, but that's exactly the sort of short-term thing that's incentivized by a subscription model.  The problem is that, in the long term, it pisses off your customers)

I don't have a problem with the subscription model per se--we have multiple subscriptions for Autodesk products, and we're perfectly happy with those because 1) The price is reasonable (and it's a naked subscription--there's no perpetual license to shell out for up front) and 2) there is noticeable quality of life improvement with every release.  Sometimes it's new features, sometimes its bugfixes.  Fusion 360 in particular, which is a relatively young product, is seeing rapid development, and most importantly, that development is rapid and highly and visibly responsive to user input.

(Typing this while AD19 restarts, because after interactive routing started doing stupid stuff for the umpteenth time panning the PCB now causes an access violation. . . )
 

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Re: Altium Design Trade-In 45% Off
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2019, 02:34:01 pm »
My problem with Altium Designer was it was  never been a finished product. Each version had infuriating bugs. I was under impression Altium did not give shit  about making efforts to make releases polished.

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