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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2019, 07:10:27 am »
I don't really know.
The chipset HD620 is quite new, started with Kaby Lake.

The inxi command shows that I'm using snd_hda_intel.

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$ inxi -Fxz
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Graphics:  Card: Intel HD Graphics 620 bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.6 ) drivers: modesetting (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.02hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kaby Lake GT2)
           version: 4.5 Mesa 18.0.5 Direct Render: Yes

i915 seems to be loaded, but not used.

In fact, if I activate 3D and 2D acceleration in Virtualbox, I can't open PCB editor (directX is missing), but without enabled them, Altium is fully fonctionnal, but really slow in PCB Editor.
 

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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2019, 07:26:14 am »
In fact, if I activate 3D and 2D acceleration in Virtualbox, I can't open PCB editor (directX is missing), but without enabled them, Altium is fully fonctionnal, but really slow in PCB Editor.

Enjoy this version while it lasts! Since AD18, DirectX is mandatory and the switch to toggle it off is gone.
Mojave+Parallels is not serving AD well. In my case, 2D works fine, but 3D is not. The objects are fine, but the colors are not. Could be a light source bug in Parallel's Direct3D driver.
I don't design in 3D, so this is 99% of the time not an issue. But I occasionally have to export 3D pictures or videos, and I had to get a Windows PC to do that.
 

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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2019, 08:12:02 am »
Hum, I'm running Nexus 2 and AD19 like that. I mean that I can edit schematics and pcb if I deactivated 2D and 3D accelerations in Vbox.
This is quite slow in PCB editor, but usable.

3DView is possible, but very difficult, sometimes it makes the computer freeze.

My machine is quiet small
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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2019, 08:21:07 am »
Hum, I'm running Nexus 2 and AD19 like that. I mean that I can edit schematics and pcb if I deactivated 2D and 3D accelerations in Vbox.

What I mean is Altium no longer allows you to select whether to use DirectX or not. If it is available, it is enabled and you can't disable it.

In my case, I run some other 3D CAD tools in Parallels, and they all work. To use them, I can't disable 3D, hence I have to live with Altium's bug.
 

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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2019, 08:29:35 am »
I just tried with 3D disabled. It's about 5pfs in 2D mode, and 1fps in 3D mode, for a very simple (adapter) board.

My computer is by no means slow, yet the speed without 3D is horrible.
 

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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2019, 10:34:25 am »
I am running AD19 on parallels. Macbook pro with Mojave. WIN10 on the parallels VM.
Works great. My current laptop has some issues if i push the resolution above 1080p. But for the rest it's perfect.
I had WIN7 before with AD16. That worked much smoother then WIN10 + AD19 tho..
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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2019, 07:50:53 am »
I's is usabled, but not for a long time.
For some small change in schematics or layout, it's enough, but for long work period, I have to switch du dual boot :(

So, no idea for me on how using 3D acceleration with my computer?
 

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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2019, 03:56:26 pm »
I am running Ubuntu Linux and want to run Altium 17 in a Windows 7 guest. I have a Radeon video card and nowadays the only Linux Radeon driver is the open source one.  BTW, I own Altium 14, which runs fine on this hardware, and am trying the 15 day free trial of Altium 17. So far I can't get the pcb view to draw at all. Everything else seems functional.
In my experience only VMWare has decent 3D support. But VMWare isn't free and you won't be able to use Virtualbox and VMWare at the same time.
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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2020, 07:45:29 pm »
My experiances,

I couldn't get altium 15 to work, even after enabling the experimental 3D support in virtualbox, enabling the experimental 3D support just changed the issue from nothing drawn at all to a corrupt display that would not move or zoom at all. I think your mileage may vary depending on what graphics card you have.

I saw references to an option to disable directx, but I could not find any such option in version 15.

So I decided to experiment with older versions. I first tried 2004, which worked but can't open modern PCB files. I then tried 10, which worked after disabling 3D support and was able to open my PCB files from 15 (with some warnings). I then tried 13 which also seemed to lack the option to disable direct3D. There did not seem to be any versions between 10 and 13 available for download on altium's site.
 

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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2020, 08:50:11 pm »
For me the last version was Altium 14 that worked satisfactory in a VirtualBox vm on Win 7.
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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2020, 03:11:52 am »
For me the last version was Altium 14 that worked satisfactory in a VirtualBox vm on Win 7.

Then don't upgrade, seriously.

Latest Altium doesn't even run properly on Windows 10. The lagging is horrible.

Altium expects you to have a standard power i7/i9 CPU with a GTX graphics to run.

The lag is so bad on mobile low power processors, even on i7 chips.

45W+ mobile workstation processors are minimum to run Altium 20 without lagging, even in schematic mode.

Starting from AD20, compilation is done automatically in background, which means it (incrementally) compiles your schematic every time you drag a line.

Not only ERC, DRC also sees some addition, which all reduces performance.
 
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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #36 on: Yesterday at 12:58:13 pm »
There is no possibility to disable the background ERC ?
Like the PCB online DRC check that you can switch to enable / disable
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Re: Will Altium 17 run in Virtualbox or Vmware on a Linux host?
« Reply #37 on: Yesterday at 03:50:48 pm »
There is no possibility to disable the background ERC ?
Like the PCB online DRC check that you can switch to enable / disable

I have not found any.

My solution was simple, a more powerful laptop, not those -U/-Y ones, but a proper -H i7 CPU with plenty of power budget (35W instead of 15W TDP, 65W+ boost instead of 35W boost, etc.).

Also, having discrete GPU helps too as the CPU shares power budget with iGPU. Keeping the iGPU free, you will have more power budget on the CPU.
 


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