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Title: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: ChrisGammell on December 04, 2013, 04:21:00 am
We talked about this on the show this week (http://www.theamphour.com/174-motors-and-upgrading-sinclairs (http://www.theamphour.com/174-motors-and-upgrading-sinclairs)). What do you think Dave should do with his new purchase? Make it original condition? Add function? Take the survey and then let us know more about your thoughts.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: EEVblog on December 04, 2013, 04:53:52 am
By keeping original, that pretty much means not touching the motor and control system. A new metal front wheel that doesn't melt when braking is a given  ;D
Don't think I'd ever rip out the original LED bargraph display, but I might augment that maybe.
In either case the external C5 appearance is what matters, and that obviously wouldn't change even if I changed the whole motor and drive system.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: EEVblog on December 04, 2013, 05:04:30 am
Oh boy, so much for the original LED display, this looks awesome!
http://www.c5owners.com/sinclair-c5-x-pod.aspx (http://www.c5owners.com/sinclair-c5-x-pod.aspx)
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: Bored@Work on December 04, 2013, 06:38:38 am
If it is intended as an investment don't change anything.
If it is intended for fun, hack and slash it as you please.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: peter.mitchell on December 04, 2013, 06:44:06 am
Replace the big-ass lead acid with a LiFePO4 is a given, better energy density, better recharge capability, whether you change the motor ect is up to you.
Hands down, change the battery tech though.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: Kjelt on December 04, 2013, 07:30:52 am
Build in a flux capacitor, you know you want it  ;)
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: EEVblog on December 04, 2013, 08:55:23 am
Replace the big-ass lead acid with a LiFePO4 is a given, better energy density, better recharge capability, whether you change the motor ect is up to you.
Hands down, change the battery tech though.

It doesn't come with a battery, so that's open slather from the get go. But LiFePO4 is pricey.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: EEVblog on December 04, 2013, 08:56:18 am
Build in a flux capacitor, you know you want it  ;)

I have the time circuits...
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: semach.the.monkey on December 04, 2013, 09:19:28 am
Welcome to the C5 world! Electric cars are the future!

My C5 has been put together purely from old bits I've found on eBay.  It wasn't a complete vehicle when I bought it, just a plastic body and a chassis, so I've got no problem with modifying it with better non-standard parts.  At the moment it has no electrics at all, no motor and no battery - but it pedals around just fine. 

In the summer though, I'll be fitting all new modern electric running gear.

You've already found c5owners.com, so you'll have an idea what's possible from these little beauties :-)

Spencer
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: EEVblog on December 04, 2013, 09:37:47 am
In the summer though, I'll be fitting all new modern electric running gear.

I'm quite interested in that.
I've ridden a C5, and while I found it quite nice on the straights, it was quite a chore on any sort of gradient. And I live in the Hills District of Sydney, and they don't call it the Hills for nothing....
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: semach.the.monkey on December 04, 2013, 09:40:54 am
I've ridden a C5, and while I found it quite nice on the straights, it was quite a chore on any sort of gradient. And I live in the Hills District of Sydney, and they don't call it the Hills for nothing....

My address also has "Hills" in it :( Sturmey Archer 3 speed hubs are fairly easy to retrofit, so that'll help both up and down hills.  Disc brakes are also a worth addition!

Spencer
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: apelly on December 04, 2013, 09:51:08 am
Build in a flux capacitor, you know you want it  ;)

I have the time circuits...
You busted them dude...
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: apelly on December 04, 2013, 09:54:31 am
It's Dave's toy. He should do whatever he wants. I'd be careful to keep it street legal though.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: DeepThought on December 04, 2013, 10:48:39 am
I would suggest, get a engine from a EV motorcycle. Or get two of those little chines hub motors for scooters.
Plus a really beefy LiFePo4 pack.
As a added bonus, you would have to learn (and blog) something about battery management and DC brushless or AC induction motor drive.
Your EV friend can surely hook you up with the right things and people. (forgot his name. He was on the video blog before)

I will probably never get to do such a project due to price. But I reckon you could kickstart fund it.
With the financial bits sorted, you are left with some ugly mechanical problems. :)
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: EEVblog on December 04, 2013, 11:00:03 am
My address also has "Hills" in it :( Sturmey Archer 3 speed hubs are fairly easy to retrofit, so that'll help both up and down hills.  Disc brakes are also a worth addition!

Define "fairly easy"?
From what I see it looks like it involves welding of some description, that's kinda out of my current skillset.
http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2964.0 (http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2964.0)
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: Wytnucls on December 04, 2013, 11:31:16 am
Make an offer on this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BAC-TSR2-RAF-Aircraft-Olympus-320-Jet-Engine-TSR-2-UNIQUE-Oportunity-/130574234473?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item1e66d4b369&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BAC-TSR2-RAF-Aircraft-Olympus-320-Jet-Engine-TSR-2-UNIQUE-Oportunity-/130574234473?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item1e66d4b369&vxp=mtr)

Should solve your problem with steep hills....no welding required.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: AndersAnd on December 04, 2013, 11:33:30 am
See if it will blend: http://www.willitblend.com (http://www.willitblend.com)

Will it Blend? iPhone 5s and 5c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAuhUTzNwiY#ws)
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: semach.the.monkey on December 04, 2013, 11:58:44 am
Define "fairly easy"?
From what I see it looks like it involves welding of some description, that's kinda out of my current skillset.
http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2964.0 (http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2964.0)

Yeah, but only a little bit of welding. Get the bits ready, and pop in to your local mechanic and it'll be done in 10 minutes for the cost of a couple of beers!

Or, as Wytnucls suggests, go jet powered;
http://www.jetpower.co.uk/c5home.htm (http://www.jetpower.co.uk/c5home.htm)

Spencer
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: angst7 on December 04, 2013, 03:40:53 pm
Seems like if you want a piece of living history, for the full nostalgia effect you should make only the bare minimum modifications to it for practical use and focus on keeping it original.

If you want a fun kit car, mod away, but then it's not a C5 anymore, is it?
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: kfitch42 on December 04, 2013, 04:05:54 pm
Put a line of LEDs on the rear wheel covers. They could form a POV display when the wheels are turning.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: free_electron on December 04, 2013, 08:19:18 pm
should is send you a Tesla battery pack and drive train ?

That would be a hack ... sinclair C5 with Tesla powertrain ..

0 to 60MPH in subsecond.... goes once around the world on a single charge. Step on the accelerator and see the bodywork peel off due to air resistance.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: Spikee on December 04, 2013, 09:27:25 pm
Get some 6S 10 /20Ah batteries (use hobbyking buddy codes for 10-50% off)
and a 8.6Kw rc motor
(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/14427P1.jpg)

This will make it real fast and go up a steep hill.

The hard part is to find a controller that can handle this thing.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: peter.mitchell on December 05, 2013, 05:52:14 am
Get some 6S 10 /20Ah batteries (use hobbyking buddy codes for 10-50% off)
and a 8.6Kw rc motor
(http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/14427P1.jpg)

This will make it real fast and go up a steep hill.

The hard part is to find a controller that can handle this thing.

I wouldn't suggest that...
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: JoannaK on December 05, 2013, 01:21:37 pm
Build in a flux capacitor, you know you want it  ;)

I have the time circuits...

I'd recommend against this idea.. not that time travel would't be awesome, but consider the *safety* of someone trying to reach 88mph  with a dingy like C5  :palm:
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: Dongulus on December 06, 2013, 12:31:13 am
Something like this is probably better as a talking piece rather than a practical vehicle. I suggest trying to restore it to as close as you can to it's former glory.

Whatever you do, you should definitely get the poncho.  ;)
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: NiHaoMike on December 06, 2013, 02:28:43 am
Upgrade it, but try to make the mods easily reversible.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: peter.mitchell on December 06, 2013, 12:36:19 pm
Dave, if you haven't seen it, you should check otu http://endless-sphere.com/forums/index.php (http://endless-sphere.com/forums/index.php) it has lots of info on this kinda thing.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: MrAureliusR on December 09, 2013, 02:48:52 am
Definitely, definitely, DEFINITELY mod it. Making it a practical form of transportation is what Clive Sinclair had in mind -- I believe hacking it into something practical is more in the spirit of the C5 than restoring it.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: DeepThought on December 09, 2013, 11:56:04 am
http://www.goldenmotor.com/ (http://www.goldenmotor.com/) has it all.
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: ivan747 on December 09, 2013, 06:57:07 pm
This:
http://youtu.be/dJfSS0ZXYdo?t=5m12s (http://youtu.be/dJfSS0ZXYdo?t=5m12s)
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: EEVblog on December 10, 2013, 11:11:51 am
You have a bit of work ahead of you Dave.

No kidding. It basically as bad as I expected it could be. Was hoping I'd get lucky, but  :--
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: MojoJojo on December 12, 2013, 02:18:03 am
The question should be rephrased: "Should Dave give up his engineer card so he can join the historical preservation society?"

Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: ivan747 on December 13, 2013, 11:26:35 am
Dave, you should keep the looks original and maybe add a brushless motor with reverse and a LiFePo battery
Title: Re: What should Dave do with his Sinclair C5?
Post by: Macbeth on December 13, 2013, 06:36:57 pm
My address also has "Hills" in it :( Sturmey Archer 3 speed hubs are fairly easy to retrofit, so that'll help both up and down hills.  Disc brakes are also a worth addition!

Define "fairly easy"?
From what I see it looks like it involves welding of some description, that's kinda out of my current skillset.
http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2964.0 (http://c5alive.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2964.0)

Welding, meh, it's just glorified soldering. Should get yourself a MIG setup, they even do gasless now (kind of like rosin core solder). Those welding masks with the quick clear eye shields are great and dirt cheap too, used to cost over £500 each back in the 90's. I got me an apron and gauntlets for £5 from ALDI. I highly recommend doing a Eurotorch conversion to any cheapo MIG set too.