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Offline dds737

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10.000 EUR for small scalle cell phone production line?
« on: May 20, 2015, 06:03:31 pm »
While reading this blog: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/business-models-for-open-hardware/2011/03/19
I've read this: "Significantly, the Shanzai companies are almost universally bootstrapped on minimal capital with almost no additional financing: Mitchell Tseng reported that 10.000 € are enough to start such a company, and it may eventually scale to over 50 million € revenue per year within a couple years."

Could this be a possibility elsewhere, or only in China?
What kind machines are needed to let's say, small scale cell phone production? (Off course with Mediatek Chipset) :)

 

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Re: 10.000 EUR for small scalle cell phone production line?
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2015, 05:19:59 am »
To actually produce smartphones all on your own you'll need several 100k$. SMD production line, plastic moulding,...

So with a budget of 10k$ you'll be looking at outsourcing most or all of it. Of course, the 10k$ is capital. That doesn't mean you can't buy stuff (such as a production line) on credit.

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Re: 10.000 EUR for small scalle cell phone production line?
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2015, 06:41:15 am »
To actually produce smartphones all on your own you'll need several 100k$. SMD production line, plastic moulding,...

So with a budget of 10k$ you'll be looking at outsourcing most or all of it. Of course, the 10k$ is capital. That doesn't mean you can't buy stuff (such as a production line) on credit.

MTK sells entire solutions for less than 10k USD. Most brandless smartphones uses the same mold, so no mold NRE cost.

If you have ever been to Shenzhen, you will find probably you can buy everything except nukes.

Also, nowadays octacore MTK SoCs are not worst than Qualcomm or Samsung at all, but to have access to these chips and related solution, you need lots of millions. Still, dual and quad core MTK chips are readily accessible.
 

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Re: 10.000 EUR for small scalle cell phone production line?
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2015, 06:43:27 am »
There are 3K usd Chinese PnP machines that does 0402 or even 0201, but without visual. With visual, you can get one within 5k. Paste printers are cheap, and can be done efficiently by hand.
 

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Re: 10.000 EUR for small scalle cell phone production line?
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2015, 06:49:24 am »
Would love to see a link for the MTK stuff, but I guess it's something like http://neoden.eu/en/smt-production-line-bundle?

That's nice and dandy for a few prototypes and low volume stuff but for actual volume? And in addition to that, most of these cheapo placers crap out at 0402 which would kinda suck for mobile phones. And I would imagine that the rest of the packages would be out of their league as well...

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Re: 10.000 EUR for small scalle cell phone production line?
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2015, 06:55:42 am »
Would love to see a link for the MTK stuff, but I guess it's something like http://neoden.eu/en/smt-production-line-bundle?

That's nice and dandy for a few prototypes and low volume stuff but for actual volume? And in addition to that, most of these cheapo placers crap out at 0402 which would kinda suck for mobile phones. And I would imagine that the rest of the packages would be out of their league as well...

http://www.meizu.com/en/

Their top octa core phones are MTK Cortex A7-A17 heterogeneous SoC based.
 

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Re: 10.000 EUR for small scalle cell phone production line?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2015, 07:09:31 am »
Oh, with "MTK sells entire solutions you mean they sell chips and offer schematics, BOM, SW a complete DK for 10k$? I figured you wanted to start a SMD production line on a 10k$ budget  :P


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