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Advanced diploma electronics at TAFE (kinda want Dave to answer this question)
rstofer:
--- Quote from: StreuB1 on January 24, 2019, 04:57:08 am ---
--- Quote from: rstofer on January 23, 2019, 03:20:16 pm ---Around here, Calc I is a 1st semester class in an engineering program and that assumes you have the equivalent knowledge of Pre-Calc which is a two semester class. Pre-Calc assumes a decent background from high school. But 2 semesters is a full year and it doesn't even count toward graduation. That's one of the reasons engineering programs are now more typically 5 years than 4. And don't even think about skipping Pre-Calc, you will struggle mightily with the low level details when you take Calc I. There is a saying that "Calculus is easy, it's Pre-Calc that's difficult!". It's a fair assessment. Here's a hint: Don't take Pre-Calc I as a short summer class.
Given the Internet and resources like Khan Academy and CalcWorkshop (fee), math is getting more approachable. There are so many tutorials just watch some and see how it works out. NancyPi is good (and easy on the eyes). Her channel used to be MathBff.
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One comment......
Methods of solving definite integrals of rational expressions using Partial Fractions Decomposition. The one often poorly covered topic from Precalc1 that comes back to rape you in Calc2.
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How interesting you should bring that up! Everybody should have to know that method and actually be able to use it and do just one problem! The rest of the time they would be better served to use MATLAB. It knows more about factoring and partial fractions than I'll ever know.
Last weekend, my grandson and I were working on a problem for his MATLAB class - a required course in the engineering curriculum. It has to do with the shift in the color of an object as it approaches the speed of light known as the relativistic Doppler shift. He had not been taught to use the solve() function (it's just the first week) so he had to do all the algebra to solve the ugly equation in terms of v and then let MATLAB just plug in the numbers. But MATLAB knows more about algebra than we will ever. Use the solve() function and leave it alone.
The equation:
lp = ls * sqrt( (1-v/c) / (1+v/c) )
v is the velocity at which the color has changed and c is the speed of light.
It's really kind of ugly dividing both sides by ls, squaring both sides and then clearing out that fraction. Or you can use MATLAB solve()
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syms v % approach velocity at which red light appears green
c = 300e6; % speed of light in meters/second
ls = 630; % wavelength of red light
lp = 530; % wavelength of green light
eq1 = lp == ls * sqrt((1-(v/c))/(1+(v/c)));
vel = solve(eq1,v); % solve for v and put result in vel
format shortEng % exponents are multiples of 3
double(vel) % print result as numeric doouble precision
ans =
51.3426e+006
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So, at about 51,000,000 meters per second (or just 51,000 km/second) which is about 0.6 times the speed of light, a red light will appear green.
Obviously, MATLAB can do things like definite and indefinite integrals, take derivatives, mess around with trigonometric functions and a whole lot more. I'm not a salesman but I am a huge fan.
--- Code: --->> syms x
>> int( sin(x) ) % indefinite integral of sin(x)
ans =
-cos(x)
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Octave is free and will do the same kinds of things. I think a first semester course in MATLAB is definitely the way to go.
rstofer:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on January 24, 2019, 05:34:30 am ---
--- Quote from: rstofer on January 24, 2019, 01:23:15 am ---Not having any experience, other than taking classes, makes the first step into a job quite problematic.
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And that's the trick, only a fool does that. Don't try and compete with a thousand other clueless graduates with no experience in anything.
Just work on your own projects (or join other projects and contribute) and you'll have something to show.
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For my grandson, not only will he have to do 2 summers of internship, there are also "engineering clubs" on campus. Besides consuming vast quantities of caffeine, pizza and beer, I have no idea what they do but I hope it involves collaborative projects. A 'robotics' club is always a good sign. We'll see...
jeremy:
--- Quote from: rstofer on January 24, 2019, 06:09:25 am ---The rest of the time they would be better served to use MATLAB. It knows more about factoring and partial fractions than I'll ever know.
Octave is free and will do the same kinds of things. I think a first semester course in MATLAB is definitely the way to go.
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If I may make a humble suggestion:
If MATLAB/octave works for you, then it's great, but I (and many of my colleagues) try to ensure my students also get some experience with the python/numpy/scipy/sympy (usually through the anaconda python distribution); in particular, jupyter notebooks with all of the plotting tools built in are extraordinarily useful, and are becoming more and more common in academic literature. But the main reason is that a number of recent graduates who have gone to work for smaller businesses have told me that their managers baulked at the price of MATLAB and just said no.
Personally though, I think python is way better so I am a bit biased there...
CuteNotGate:
Thank all for your help everyone. So I have decided to do the advanced diploma in electronics. :)
* An note for Dave. So far I noticed this thread has gained lots of attention for education in electronics. I think you should add an board for education in the EEVblog forums ?
E.g.
- Education
-- Australia
--- University
--- TAFE
-- Other Country's
--- University
--- Other
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: CuteNotGate on January 24, 2019, 11:04:44 am ---Thank all for your help everyone. So I have decided to do the advanced diploma in electronics. :)
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:-+
--- Quote ---* An note for Dave. So far I noticed this thread has gained lots of attention for education in electronics. I think you should add an board for education in the EEVblog forums ?
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As a general rule the forum users don't like having too many categories.
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